OK, Found the answer to the rebooting question. If you make changes to /etc/profile (and others I'd guess), just run /sbin/SuSEconfig, log out and back in. The changes will be there. I guess thats in th Fine Manual but I haven't got to that section as of yet. That is different then I am used to but I can live wit that. Bodo, would this have taken care of that question I had about removing a package, updating a new version into a different directory and having the system not find the new one til I rebooted? Bet that was it. Well this might help others out, even if I look like a dumb bell! Wayne Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 10:29:51PM -0500 In reply to:Wayne Topa Quoting Wayne Topa (wtopa@ix.netcom.com):

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Running SuSE Linux Date: Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 12:37:14PM -0800

In reply to:Bodo Bauer

Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb@suse.de):

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Eric L. Green wrote:

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I don't see any way to start up a different window manager other than the SuSE-offered ones, without modifying the actual "startx" script. Most installations' "startx" respects the .Xclients file and sources its contents prior to doing whatever other stuff is desired. I didn't see anything in SuSE's "startx" that did that.

and Bodo replied

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Yust set environment variable WINDOWMANAGER to the wm you like...

Well I tried that. As a user, I did, export WINDOWMAKER=/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95 and then startx. Nope still fvwm2. So I exited and logged in again. Same thing. So I then modified /etc/profile and changed IT to fvwm95. Logged in the user again and STILL fvwm2. Checked WINDOWMANAGER and it was still fvwm2. So rebooted the system ( This really should NOT be necessary!!!) and YES WINDOWMANAGER is now /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95. Logged in the used and did startx, again. Windowmanager is STILL fvwm2.

For those that might write and so SO WHAT, the user can change it to what ever he wants. NO SO /etc/profile is common to all users. If the change HAS to be made there it will be the same for ALL USERS.

I still don't know why I have to reboot the system to get changes logged in. There MUST be a better way but I have not found it yet.

I still have not finished RTFM yet tho. Who ever told me that this was just like Slackware must have never run Slackware!

In playing(!) around in X with the window managers (switching back & forth checking them out) I had something happen that I have never seen on Linux before. I had finally had enough and Hit the button to exit fvwm2 & X. Windows did not exit, just closed a couple of xterms and HUNG. So I hit ctrl/alr/BS and at that point the system HUNG. By HUNG I mean, I could switch to other consoles but nothing was accepted from the keyboard on ANY console. The hard disk was clicking away but ALL users were locked out. After 15 minutes of this I shut down the power to the computer. Rebooting went normal (all partitions had to be fsck'ed of course) but the system came up fine. With WINDOWMANAGER pointing to fvwm95 but X coming up in fvwm2.

This is starting NOT to be fun, guys!

Wayne

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