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Theo v. Werkhoven

9 Jul 2002 9 Jul '02

20:38

Hi all, I have a remark about an odd thing I see on this and other lists from time to time. You see, sometimes people use an existing thread to start a completely new subject of their own, without even a hint to the references they're (ab)using. E.g.: References: +<20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> In-Reply-To: <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200207091957.41813.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk> Subject: [SLE] Compile error. Which was posted on top of: References: +<200207072204.38397.art_fore@3mts.com> <20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.0 Review For people with MUA's that do not support References (more and more it seems) it's probably not a problem, as their client sees a different Subject, and thus a different thread. But for people like me who like to use a "real" email client it is a PITA, because you think you're following a thread when all of the sudden the subject (and body) changes into something completely different. So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list. Cheers, Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven ICBM 52 8 24N , 4 32 40E. S.u.S.E 7.3 x86 Kernel 2.4.16-4GB See headers for PGP/GPG info.

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Paul W. Abrahams

9 Jul 9 Jul

21:24

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 04:38 pm, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection. Paul

Mads Martin Joergensen

22:26

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* Paul W. Abrahams [Jul 09. 2002 23:25]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

That's not what he's referring to. They can be handled with (Was: ) subjects b/c they are different. The ugly ones are the truly completely new post where people hit reply to get the list-address but trimmed away other stuff. -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

Jon Clausen

22:31

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 05:24:31PM -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 04:38 pm, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this? Jon Clausen

Mads Martin Joergensen

22:34

New subject: New Package-HOWTO

Hey together, Get the newest version at schnick schnack. -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

Mads Martin Joergensen

22:39

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* Jon Clausen [Jul 10. 2002 00:32]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this?

A lot better than the example other reply I made here to the list. -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

Paul W. Abrahams

10 Jul 10 Jul

00:07

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 06:39 pm, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

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* Jon Clausen [Jul 10. 2002 00:32]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this?

A lot better than the example other reply I made here to the list.

That was done as a reply with a changed subject, right? Paul

Paul W. Abrahams

00:07

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 06:39 pm, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

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* Jon Clausen [Jul 10. 2002 00:32]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this?

A lot better than the example other reply I made here to the list.

That was done as a reply with a changed subject, right? Paul

Jon Clausen

06:21

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 08:07:48PM -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 06:39 pm, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

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* Jon Clausen [Jul 10. 2002 00:32]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this?

A lot better than the example other reply I made here to the list.

That was done as a reply with a changed subject, right?

Yes. A reply to the list only, just like grandma used to make 'em ;) Which borders on another subject change. But since we had that one last month... never mind :) cheers, Jon Clausen

Paul W. Abrahams

00:08

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 06:39 pm, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

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* Jon Clausen [Jul 10. 2002 00:32]:

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So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

That's clear enough. But how about the case where you're responding to a thread but the topic has wandered enough so that the subject is no longer appropriate? Starting a totally new thread loses the connection.

How's this?

A lot better than the example other reply I made here to the list.

That was done as a reply with a changed subject, right? Paul

Keith Powell

10:02

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 9:38 pm, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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Hi all,

I have a remark about an odd thing I see on this and other lists from time to time. You see, sometimes people use an existing thread to start a completely new subject of their own, without even a hint to the references they're (ab)using. E.g.:

References: +<20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> In-Reply-To: <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200207091957.41813.keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk> Subject: [SLE] Compile error.

Which was posted on top of:

References: +<200207072204.38397.art_fore@3mts.com> <20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20020708211514.GA1113@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200207082349.35308.andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net> Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.0 Review

For people with MUA's that do not support References (more and more it seems) it's probably not a problem, as their client sees a different Subject, and thus a different thread. But for people like me who like to use a "real" email client it is a PITA, because you think you're following a thread when all of the sudden the subject (and body) changes into something completely different.

So people, please, when you want to start a new subject, do it in your own, fresh post to the list.

Cheers, Theo

I appear to have done something very wrong when sending my posing to which Theo refers. But I don't know what! It appears to be perfectly OK here. My apologies to Theo and the rest of the list. I will have to be extremely careful if I post again. Cheers Keith.

SuSEnixER

11:41

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* Keith Powell [07-10-02 04:07]:

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On Tuesday 09 July 2002 9:38 pm, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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Subject: [SLE] Compile error.

Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.0 Review

I appear to have done something very wrong when sending my posing to which Theo refers. But I don't know what! It appears to be perfectly OK here.

What you are being told is that you REPLIED to a post with the subject '[SLE] SuSE 8.0 Review' with a NEW UNRELATED subject '[SLE] Compile error.'. Effectively you changed the thread(subject) in the middle of the conversation. It is as if you were standing in a group of (?) 10 people discussing the pros/cons of SuSE distro vs RedHat, and you, gaining the floor, began discussing football (us) vs football (soccer, rest of the world). The rest of the group would find you alien, and you are accomplishing the same thing in the above actions. The proper action would be to begin a NEW THREAD with YOUR SUBJECT with a NEW POSTING to the list, NOT A REPLY TO AN EXISTING POST. We all would appreciate your continued posting, but please try to conform to the societal rules of the list. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org

Mads Martin Joergensen

13:21

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* SuSEnixER [Jul 10. 2002 13:42]:

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The proper action would be to begin a NEW THREAD with YOUR SUBJECT with a NEW POSTING to the list, NOT A REPLY TO AN EXISTING POST.

We all would appreciate your continued posting, but please try to conform to the societal rules of the list.

Which also says not to yell at each other. -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

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