Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Well, when you start Konversation,
what is this "Konversation" thing?
An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box.
How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) communication channel.
You can't.
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list. How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Well, when you start Konversation,
what is this "Konversation" thing?
An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box.
How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) communication channel.
You can't.
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour. We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions. So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-) I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said. There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-28-22 11:39]:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
> Well, when you start Konversation,
what is this "Konversation" thing?
An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box.
How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) communication channel.
You can't.
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
and it can be, but there are limits to everything. do not expect the unrealistic.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
for accessing #opensuse, there is no need to configure anything. but one *must* have internet access and that would have had to be configured at some point.
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
why would you expect konversation to record when it was not active? do you have *any* application capable of recording w/o being turned on? please try and be realistic. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2022-05-28 17:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-28-22 11:39]:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote: > On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote: > >> Well, when you start Konversation, > > what is this "Konversation" thing?
An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box.
> > How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? > That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) > communication channel.
You can't.
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
and it can be, but there are limits to everything. do not expect the unrealistic.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
for accessing #opensuse, there is no need to configure anything. but one *must* have internet access and that would have had to be configured at some point.
Obviously. But not an IRC client.
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
why would you expect konversation to record when it was not active? do you have *any* application capable of recording w/o being turned on?
please try and be realistic.
That was the claim. I know what IRC can do. Others don't. Other IM platforms, such as Telegram, do, which is an advantage over IRC. And more recent implementations of IRC, with more modern servers, also can do it. And having a public server holding the log of everyday, can. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
Well, that is all the "scrolling time" you have then :-)
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I expect at the very least a userid or an account is necessary. Something like that.
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said. There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Yup, did anyone suggest there would be? I only said "if you keep Konversation open, you can scroll back". IOW, keep Konversation open for long enough and you can scroll back too :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland.
On 2022-05-28 18:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
Well, that is all the "scrolling time" you have then :-)
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I expect at the very least a userid or an account is necessary. Something like that.
Nope. That is the claim. And it works, at least I can connect and read; I have not tried to post.
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said. There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Yup, did anyone suggest there would be? I only said "if you keep Konversation open, you can scroll back".
Yes, those that say that IRC is better than Telegram ;-p
IOW, keep Konversation open for long enough and you can scroll back too :-)
Which is the reason that IRC is not used by new people, that want a service with features such as full scrollback. That's why they despise IRC. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-28-22 16:52]:
On 2022-05-28 18:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
Well, that is all the "scrolling time" you have then :-)
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I expect at the very least a userid or an account is necessary. Something like that.
Nope.
That is the claim. And it works, at least I can connect and read; I have not tried to post.
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said. There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Yup, did anyone suggest there would be? I only said "if you keep Konversation open, you can scroll back".
Yes, those that say that IRC is better than Telegram ;-p
IOW, keep Konversation open for long enough and you can scroll back too :-)
Which is the reason that IRC is not used by new people, that want a service with features such as full scrollback. That's why they despise IRC.
now you have resorted to just spewing words. you do not know that new people despise irc. most probably have no idea what irc is. as I said earlier, try to be somewhat realistic. stop drinking the water. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 5/28/22 10:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 16:29, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
> Well, when you start Konversation,
what is this "Konversation" thing?
An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box.
How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) communication channel.
You can't.
If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just scrolled back to 17 May.
I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night.
This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list.
How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May.
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
I have never used Konversation so I opened it up. The only thing I see that needs configuration might be IRC channels you want to visit. Worked right out of the box for me in a Kubuntu IRC channel. -- "Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry." Kevin Costner in "Wyatt Earp"
Dne sobota 28. května 2022 17:36:21 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Do you have any realistic reason to see chat logs from _before_ you asked your question that you want to help with? I don't see any. Regards, Gryffus
* Lukáš Krejza <gryffus@hkfree.org> [06-01-22 12:43]:
Dne sobota 28. května 2022 17:36:21 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Do you have any realistic reason to see chat logs from _before_ you asked your question that you want to help with? I don't see any.
only by those who do not want to use irc. anyone can find a reason to not use a particular app. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Dne středa 1. června 2022 19:07:15 CEST, Patrick Shanahan napsal(a):
* Lukáš Krejza <gryffus@hkfree.org> [06-01-22 12:43]:
Dne sobota 28. května 2022 17:36:21 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Do you have any realistic reason to see chat logs from _before_ you asked your question that you want to help with? I don't see any.
only by those who do not want to use irc. anyone can find a reason to not use a particular app.
Yeah, well it's always up to them if they want to come where the power users and developers are, or if they want to send animated gifs on discord between each other :) Personally, the day IRC stops being the official for *SUSE is the day i stop supporting them. I don't like forums (although i respect them much more than any discord/telegram/whatsapp/facebook/onlyfans/whatever :D and i really do not see in what regard are forums outdated - do they need more colors or what?) and i am not a daily ML reader, although lately i am more active on ML than before. When user tries to dictate maintainer where he should communicate with users, i guess the problem he is having is not that important for him. Regards, Gryffus
On 2022-06-01 18:41, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Dne sobota 28. května 2022 17:36:21 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Do you have any realistic reason to see chat logs from _before_ you asked your question that you want to help with? I don't see any.
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer. For example. Or, I leave the computer, come back see a question posted an hour ago that I can answer, but the guy already left. If I answer, he will not see it when he comes back. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
On 2022-06-01 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer.
This is why most of us IRC-ers use a bouncer, or maybe even Quassel. -- /bengan
On 2022-06-01 22:57, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2022-06-01 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer.
This is why most of us IRC-ers use a bouncer, or maybe even Quassel.
Sorry, no idea what those might be. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-01-22 17:06]:
On 2022-06-01 22:57, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2022-06-01 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer.
This is why most of us IRC-ers use a bouncer, or maybe even Quassel.
Sorry, no idea what those might be.
there is google, or a response declaring dis-interest. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Dne středa 1. června 2022 23:05:29 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On 2022-06-01 22:57, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2022-06-01 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer.
This is why most of us IRC-ers use a bouncer, or maybe even Quassel.
Sorry, no idea what those might be.
https://www.google.com/search?q=irc+bouncer https://www.google.com/search?q=quassel but all of that requires some setting-up and you have already denied anything like that. Anyway, imagine you come to a pub and sit to a table where your friends are, discussing something. You just sit there, listen and say something when you have something to say. Isn't that natural? Do you also need to know everything they were talking about, before you joined them? No. Can you ask them anything that comes to your mind? Absolutely yes!! :) Do you ask your friends a question and just get up and leave, without saying anything more? I think not! :) IRC is just the same. You just join in and chit-chat. IRC is just one big never-ending party! :) And IRC bouncers are only for the freaks who need/want to party 24/4 every day! :) Some parties, like #ubuntu are more public and logged on the Internet, i guess public logging would be possible for *suse* channels too, but just why do it? Also, bridges to other messengers work a little like a loggers too, if you really need it, you can check there, but I, personally like to party when I want and when I have time for it, and I do not need to know what happened at party before I came. If _you_ so desperately need to party 24/7 and to know what happened when you were not there, there are ways for sure, even free ones. But you must certainly _do something for it_ That's just it :) Regards, Gryffus
On 2022-06-02 00:18, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
IRC is just the same. You just join in and chit-chat. IRC is just one big never-ending party!:) And IRC bouncers are only for the freaks who need/want to party 24/4 every day!:)
Although it may look like a chit-chat system, it can be used in different ways. In fact, I think IRC is mostly used by developers for development and support. We have been using IRC (our own IRC server) as a work tool since the late 90's (1998 if I am not mistaken). The IRC log is quite important to us. We have from time to time been scattered in different time zones. Right now we have two employees who live on a boat and during the past year have been in all time zones. Reading IRC logs is what makes it alive and connected. Admittedly, there has been development in the chit-chat industry, but hey, if it works why fix it. -- /bengan
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-01-22 16:53]:
On 2022-06-01 18:41, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Dne sobota 28. května 2022 17:36:21 CEST, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
Yesterday night, for an hour.
We are testing Lukáš Krejza claim that Konversation can be used out of the box without configuration at all by a new user, to ask openSUSE new user questions.
So, don't ask me to do anything or configure anything >:-)
I simply started Konversation on a new computer, and tried what he said.
There is no previous history in the log, which is (locally) obviously empty, and there is no upstream log.
Do you have any realistic reason to see chat logs from _before_ you asked your question that you want to help with? I don't see any.
When I power up the computer I may see an ongoing conversation about something that I may be able to answer, but I do not have the start of. So I don't answer.
For example.
Or, I leave the computer, come back see a question posted an hour ago that I can answer, but the guy already left. If I answer, he will not see it when he comes back.
and if you do not have access to power and your computer battery is depleted, your cannot see anything on your screen! so no app will solve your supposed conditions. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
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