Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 28 October 2007 10:36:05 am David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Mates,

For those that have not yet played with Compiz-fusion, I have grabbed a few screenshots of my laptop that show a few of the new features. I usually don't get that hyped up about desktops. I just want something that is clean, fast and that works. Compiz is something to get excited about. I has some new features that introduce a whole new way of doing things.

Of course there is the cube that you rotate to select the desktop you want (ctrl+alt+"grab desktop with mouse")

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate1.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate3.png ...

Maybe to use .jpg. It would load faster.

Good idea, I was just taking the default from ksnapshot. It would also help if I have more that 128k upstream too ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider wrote:

David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Mates,

For those that have not yet played with Compiz-fusion, I have grabbed a few screenshots of my laptop that show a few of the new features. I usually don't get that hyped up about desktops. I just want something that is clean, fast and that works. Compiz is something to get excited about. I has some new features that introduce a whole new way of doing things.

Of course there is the cube that you rotate to select the desktop you want (ctrl+alt+"grab desktop with mouse")

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate1.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate3.png

A very improved task-switch: (alt+tab)

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-tsk-switch.png

Switch Select is another great feature that allows you to cycle through the open applications on a desktop (shift+winKey*+s)

/mnt/nemesis-cfg/srv/www/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-switchSelect.png

Another very cool feature shows all open applications tiled across the desktop just by moving the mouse to the top-right corner of the desktop. Notice the active application is white opaque while the inactive widows are semi-transparent. You can select any window or click on the desktop to minimize all apps and show the desktop:

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-view3.png

* compiz uses <super> to denote the windows key, winKey makes more sense to me.

I have a question regarding compiz-fusion, is it possible to have more then 4 virtual desktops? I did the _one click_ install from http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz-Fusion#openSUSE_10.

On another PC and it reduced the number of defined desktops from 8 to 4. On my main desktop I usually have something open on at least 5 desktops and prefer to have more than 4 available.

Ken

Ken, I'm sure you can. Under compiz -> settings-manager -> General Options -> Desktop Size You can set as many horizontal sides as you want and as many desktops as you want. I have also seen the option to have multiple cubes as well. For fun, while writing this response, I set horizontal virtual size to 6 and I ended up with a six-sided hexagon shaped cube. Really cool. See: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate4.jpg -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Don Raboud wrote:

On Sunday 28 October 2007 14:02, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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I ended up with a six-sided hexagon shaped cube

Not to be too pedantic but... oh never mind ;-)

Nice looking screen shots, BTW.

Yes, I know, I thought about the proper label for the extruded hexagonal shape as well. (circle/cylinder) But I couldn't come up with it at the time. (Looks like it got you as well) So cube it stayed. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Don Raboud wrote:

On Sunday 28 October 2007 15:12, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Don Raboud wrote:

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On Sunday 28 October 2007 14:02, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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I ended up with a six-sided hexagon shaped cube Not to be too pedantic but... oh never mind ;-)

Nice looking screen shots, BTW. Yes, I know, I thought about the proper label for the extruded hexagonal shape as well. (circle/cylinder) But I couldn't come up with it at the time. (Looks like it got you as well) So cube it stayed.

Hexagonal prism?

Verses a hexagonal cylinder seem to the the two proper offerings out there. Prism denotes its light scattering properties by default and a 3D hexagon by implication. But, it doesn't strike me as totally non faux pas. After looking at the dearth of information on the subject, I'm going to make an executive decision, which may be a faux pas on my part, but I'm amending my prior designation of "six-sided hexagon shaped cube" to "hexagonal cylinder." Through all the undergrad math, 3 calculus, linear algebra, diff. e.g., , partial diff. e.q. Fourier and Laplase transforms, perturbation theory, strained coordidnates and strained time, and Poincare--Linstead analysis, I still don't ever recall giving the thing a name. So hexagonal cylinder it shall stay. ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

Don Raboud wrote:

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On Sunday 28 October 2007 14:02, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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I ended up with a six-sided hexagon shaped cube

Not to be too pedantic but... oh never mind ;-)

Nice looking screen shots, BTW.

Yes, I know, I thought about the proper label for the extruded hexagonal shape as well. (circle/cylinder) But I couldn't come up with it at the time. (Looks like it got you as well) So cube it stayed.

Also, most hexagons tend to have six sides. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider wrote:

David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Mates,

For those that have not yet played with Compiz-fusion, I have grabbed a few screenshots of my laptop that show a few of the new features. I usually don't get that hyped up about desktops. I just want something that is clean, fast and that works. Compiz is something to get excited about. I has some new features that introduce a whole new way of doing things.

Of course there is the cube that you rotate to select the desktop you want (ctrl+alt+"grab desktop with mouse")

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate1.png http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate3.png

A very improved task-switch: (alt+tab)

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-tsk-switch.png

Switch Select is another great feature that allows you to cycle through the open applications on a desktop (shift+winKey*+s)

/mnt/nemesis-cfg/srv/www/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-switchSelect.png

Another very cool feature shows all open applications tiled across the desktop just by moving the mouse to the top-right corner of the desktop. Notice the active application is white opaque while the inactive widows are semi-transparent. You can select any window or click on the desktop to minimize all apps and show the desktop:

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-view3.png

* compiz uses <super> to denote the windows key, winKey makes more sense to me.

I have a question regarding compiz-fusion, is it possible to have more then 4 virtual desktops? I did the _one click_ install from http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz-Fusion#openSUSE_10.

On another PC and it reduced the number of defined desktops from 8 to 4. On my main desktop I usually have something open on at least 5 desktops and prefer to have more than 4 available.

Ken Ken,

I'm sure you can. Under compiz -> settings-manager -> General Options -> Desktop Size You can set as many horizontal sides as you want and as many desktops as you want. I have also seen the option to have multiple cubes as well.

For fun, while writing this response, I set horizontal virtual size to 6 and I ended up with a six-sided hexagon shaped cube. Really cool. See:

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/compiz/compiz-rotate4.jpg

Thanks for the info, I'm adding this info here for others that might not want to try compiz thinking it may be to complex. After testing on my test machine I took the plunge and installed Compiz Fusion on my main PC. What a breeze it was.

1. Went to http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz-Fusion#openSUSE_10.3 and used the "one-click-install" to install the required packages and also the Compiz Manager.

2. Went to a terminal window and ran the following as root:

gnome-xgl-switch --enable-xgl

3. Reboot and login and it works.

I think it might be an easy thing to add to the install DVD for 11.0 as a one check box item to install the software and the enable command.

AS to Randall's comment, true it doesn't add to the multiple desktops that KDE has, just a different way of getting from one to another. As you said "eye candy"

Ken Schneider

Ken, I keep looking for things "I can't do" in compiz that would give me reason to argue a negative. But, damn, I haven't found any. Yes the "desktop" / "workspace" concept had to sink in, but there isn't a damn bit of difference when you stop and think about it. Just a different name and concept to accomplish the same thing. Now the multiple (insert your geometrical definition here) 5, 6, 7 , 8 sided (mmn huh mnnn CUBES) really show promise. If you don't like the cube, (ctrl+alt+downarrow) unfolds the cube and left arrow/right arrow scrolls each desktop of the unfolded (whatever) right in front of your eyes. Like I said, I'll still looking for the pitfalls and shortcomings, but none to share right now. We will delve into the rather (new) shortcut key combinations later because that has nothing to do with capabilities, only preference and style. The cool feature that scales all windows and arranges them on a workspace for you, that I couldn't recall the name, is obviously "scale" for which there is no replacement in kwin. Keep tinkering/kicking the tires and I bet you will still be looking for pitfalls, as opposed to finding them, as well. This is dynamite stuff. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:01:11 -0000, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Sunday 28 October 2007 08:20, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Mates,

Are you in Texas or Australia?

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For those that have not yet played with Compiz-fusion, I have grabbed a few screenshots of my laptop that show a few of the new features. I usually don't get that hyped up about desktops. I just want something that is clean, fast and that works. Compiz is something to get excited about. I has some new features that introduce a whole new way of doing things.

That's very spiffy and all, but other than eye candy, does it do anything that simple KDE multiple desktops don't?

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Randall Schulz

Well, it always depends on what YOU want. There are many features of CF that i find handy for manipulating workspaces. They include: Scale - Present all open windows on the screen in a scaled-down view allowing you to choose one. Expo - Present all workspaces in a row and allow you to switch or to move windows between them. 3d transparent cube - gives a sense of space and freedom and is just plain fun. Rotate with mousewheel at screen edges - switch workspaces quickly and easily. Fast and smooth rendering of windows, Tile - ability to tile/un-tile windows in various ways. Commands - set whatever commands you like to run when moving to/and clicking at edges and corners. Just looks nice. Heh. That's some of what it does for me. Many times (such as when re-installing) I've tried sticking with the default kde interface but always in the end miss the CF features and go back: even though that (on ati, still) means using xgl. Bottom line - give it a try, you might be surprised that it is more than just good looking. Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:01:11 -0000, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Sunday 28 October 2007 08:20, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote:

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Mates,

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David C. Rankin

Randall Schulz

Well, it always depends on what YOU want. There are many features of CF that i find handy for manipulating workspaces. They include:

Scale - Present all open windows on the screen in a scaled-down view allowing you to choose one. Expo - Present all workspaces in a row and allow you to switch or to move windows between them. 3d transparent cube - gives a sense of space and freedom and is just plain fun. Rotate with mousewheel at screen edges - switch workspaces quickly and easily. Fast and smooth rendering of windows, Tile - ability to tile/un-tile windows in various ways. Commands - set whatever commands you like to run when moving to/and clicking at edges and corners. Just looks nice.

Heh. That's some of what it does for me. Many times (such as when re-installing) I've tried sticking with the default kde interface but always in the end miss the CF features and go back: even though that (on ati, still) means using xgl.

Bottom line - give it a try, you might be surprised that it is more than just good looking.

Cheers, David

The slides are very impressive, but I am with Randall on this... I am currently an using enlightenment 17 which gives an elegant environment which does not make my eyes cross. (it even rather nicely matches the colour scheme of the laptop). I mainly work on code and rather wonder what the performance hit of this is... I can live with the 10% to 15% performance hit I occasionally get from e17 but it does gives me a work area which does not dominate the work I am doing and distract me from that work... I normally minimise the number of window sessions to those I require at time... lots open of applications is resource using clutter... so some of these things have no real benefit... This strikes me as 'Las Vegas' with lots of glitter but slightly lacking in style or substance, which maybe is a fun place to be but not a workspace in which to get stuff done. Depends really if you prefer Caesars palace or the Tate ... This is a matter of taste, of course ... and I think I had better get on the asbestos underwear :-) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJbpbasN0sSnLmgIRArk+AJ9DxdSWTqeuqQZPuPD0UewItqqclwCg4T/S XC7KOXAwe9IYoU89zN0G6Kk= =60GW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org