When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.8-24.10-default x86_64
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it. Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time. joaquin
Joaquin, On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Huh? That makes no sense at all. SuSE is perfectly available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, whatever exactly those are. One of the major concepts in Open Source software is that vendors and distributors cannot restrict the ways in which the open-source software is used, including redistribution. SusE Personal is (was) a stripped-down form of their distribution. It did not come under a separate license and, in fact, could, in principle, be upgraded via on-line repositories supplied by SuSE to include all the software that is bundled with the so-called Professional distribution. It was meant to lower the barriers to entry and bring new users along to the more complete releases. The Personal distribution was dropped because it was turning out to be more trouble than it was worth.
Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time.
Chill out. Buy the SuSE Professional distribution and perform your evaluations. If your needs can wait a month or so, you can retrieve everything from SuSE's servers (or from one of the many mirrors maintained throughout the world). Then you can do your evaluating without spending a dime.
joaquin
Randall Schulz
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Joaquin,
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds! Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD
* Linux <linux@rogernet.org.uk> [12-29-04 14:41]:
Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!
Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD
The way he keeps talking trash, it appears he is either a troll or would like someone to do it for him. <round-file> -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 14:39, Linux wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Joaquin,
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!
Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD
First, I don't have a DVD burner. Second, I downloaded the kde 9.2 live cd and during startup the crappy thing said that it was missing a module and wouldn't start! I don't know about the gnome live cd, but I am a kde guy and to have a module missing REALLY makes SuSE look bad anyway.
Steven Pasternak wrote:
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 14:39, Linux wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Joaquin,
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!
Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD
First, I don't have a DVD burner. Second, I downloaded the kde 9.2 live cd and during startup the crappy thing said that it was missing a module and wouldn't start! I don't know about the gnome live cd, but I am a kde guy and to have a module missing REALLY makes SuSE look bad anyway.
As a free download?
Linux wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 19:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Joaquin,
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Could someone explain, in what way, what is pasted below Could be considered not available. Regards Roger http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/ Get the eval today and be running Linux in Seconds!
Download SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 Live Eval DVD
Sorry, My Bad. I actually went to link and saw the images and I am trying to download them. They are slooow. :-). But, I'll get it at some point.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:59:47 -0800, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time.
joaquin
The downloadable LiveCD is pretty good for most short-term testing and seems to have most of the functionallity. If you want to run it for a few weeks, you need to buy it or borrow CDs from someone. That does not seem to be too much of a hassle, but if none of that works, you could probably ask someone to put ISO copies online for you to download. I don't have the bandwidth to do it, but some LUGs did it for the 9.1 CDs with Novell blessing. Greg
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:59 am, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Scott Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 8:41 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
There won't be a Personal version of 9.2, only the Professional version.
Scott
That's not good. I am professionally evaluating SuSE Linux for recomendations to clients. I have to verify the quality of the solution before recomendation, and I don't want to actually buy something that is only used for testing. As it stands, if SuSE is NOT available for NON-COMMERCIAL usages, then I will not be able to evaluate it.
I think you misunderstand the packaging. First of all, if you are professionally evaluating SuSE for clients, you really should be looking at the Professional package anyways, the Personal was way too stripped down to be good for evaluating IMHO. Second of all, the packageing (personal vs professional) has absolutely nothing to do with Commercial vs non-commercial use. Both packages are largely GPL (not sure about some of the SuSE added stuff). Lastly, SuSE's decision to drop the personal in 9.2 was a simple business decision. Probably a good one too. Way too many people were freaked out and disappointed with personal when they realized all the stuff that it did not include.
Even mainstream commercial companies like Oracle and Sun Microsystems have their products accessible for non-commercial uses. And as for Microsoft, there stuff is so accessible (as it's everywhere), and with MSDN or Partner CD kits, it's easy to try a bunch of stuff. Even Novell long ago had an ill-fated developer program, though a lot of their software wasn't available through it at the time.
Don't know what we mean with your commercial vs non-commercial comments. Special deals for 'non-commercial' use isn't an entitlement, it's simply a marketing option that companies can choose to use but they certainly aren't required to. I think you are on a wrong track here, either simply buy the professional package ($90 and well worth it just for the manuals and media), or download the eval version on Novell's site, or wait a month or so for the ISO's to show up on Novell's site and you can do it entirely for free. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.8-24.10-default x86_64
Lastly, SuSE's decision to drop the personal in 9.2 was a simple business decision. Probably a good one too. Way too many people were freaked out and disappointed with personal when they realized all the stuff that it did not include.
I'm guesing at least partially fueled by the creation of their Novell Linux Desktop offering... Same type of stripped-down distro, different name...?
On Thursday 30 December 2004 6:45 am, Steve Kratz wrote:
Lastly, SuSE's decision to drop the personal in 9.2 was a simple business decision. Probably a good one too. Way too many people were freaked out and disappointed with personal when they realized all the stuff that it did not include.
I'm guesing at least partially fueled by the creation of their Novell Linux Desktop offering... Same type of stripped-down distro, different name...?
Personally, I don't see them as being similar at all. The personal package was aimed at the masses, the Novell Linux Desktop is aimed at businesses. My take, which is basically a guess, is that they will market the Novell branded stuff to business and leave the SuSE branded stuff for the mass consumer market. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.8-24.10-default x86_64
On 23:41 Tue 28 Dec , Steven Pasternak wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's? -Steven
The only ISO for a personal edition seems to be v9.1. -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio Closed 15DEC - 3JAN
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:41:55 -0500, you wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's?
From what I've heard, there won't be a SuSE personal. Too many gomers installed it thinking they were getting SuSE professional, then whined all over about how it was crap. IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.
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On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 07:49 -0500, Michael W Cocke wrote:
IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.
Mike-
Most people do understand that there is a distinction between "Personal" and "Professional". personal (prs-nl) adj. 1. Of or relating to a particular person; private: “Like their personal lives, women's history is fragmented, interrupted” (Elizabeth Janeway). a. Done, made, or performed in person: a personal appearance. b. Done to or for or directed toward a particular person: a personal favor. 3. Concerning a particular person and his or her private business, interests, or activities; intimate: I have something personal to tell you. a. Aimed pointedly at the most intimate aspects of a person, especially in a critical or hostile manner: an uncalled-for, highly personal remark. b. Tending to make remarks, or be unduly questioning, about another's affairs: As the student debate got heated, it got personal. 4. Of or relating to the body or physical being: personal cleanliness. There is nothing in the definition of Personal that would indicate lack of function. That particular distinction was pioneered by M$; unless you buy the "Professional Edition" you are not getting the complete package. And this is what you can *expect* from Commercial software companies like SuSE and Microsoft. After all, they ARE in business to MAKE MONEY. So, if you want FREE, choose Debian.
* Alvin Smith <soosah@alvinsmith.com> [12-29-04 08:36]: ...
So, if you want FREE, choose Debian.
Why, you can get the ftp version, or get cd's from cheapbytes although slightly delayed. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 08:46 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Alvin Smith <soosah@alvinsmith.com> [12-29-04 08:36]: ...
So, if you want FREE, choose Debian.
Why, you can get the ftp version, or get cd's from cheapbytes although slightly delayed.
You can. The FTP version is delayed (the time period is likely more than you wish to have). I bought 9.2 Pro online for $15 - not from cheapbytes though.
-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
-- Remember, all Windows-based machines are, by definition, fault tolerant. They run Windows don't they?!?!?!?
Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:41:55 -0500, you wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's?
From what I've heard, there won't be a SuSE personal. Too many gomers installed it thinking they were getting SuSE professional, then whined all over about how it was crap. IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.
Mike-
Then why not make the Professional version available?
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 14:00, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:41:55 -0500, you wrote:
When is the release of SuSE 9.2 Personal going to happen? Also, what about the 9.2 Personal free download .iso's?
From what I've heard, there won't be a SuSE personal. Too many gomers installed it thinking they were getting SuSE professional, then whined all over about how it was crap. IMHO, If a person cannot tell the difference between the words 'personal' and 'professional', they've got no business using a computer.
Mike-
Then why not make the Professional version available?
The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.
Then why not make the Professional version available?
The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.
Those packages don't have to be released in source form. Just binaries. :-) I'm curious as to what these packages are though. I notice there seems to be tons and tons of packages with SuSE.
On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 13:05, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Then why not make the Professional version available?
The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.
Those packages don't have to be released in source form. Just binaries. :-) I'm curious as to what these packages are though. I notice there seems to be tons and tons of packages with SuSE.
I don't really know what they were for 9.1, which I'm running on my other systems, but I do know that they had Star Office bundled in with one (7.2 pro IIRC) and I liked it so much I bought the full version of the Star Office. SO 5.2 commercial version shipped with binaries for both Windows and *nix, as well as a better printer driver for the Canon BJC-4300, than gets shipped with CUPS.
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 13:05, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
Then why not make the Professional version available?
The Professional Version often includes other software not covered under the GPL, the ftp version ought to be up in a month or so. I run the 9.0 ftp on my file server.
Those packages don't have to be released in source form. Just binaries. :-) I'm curious as to what these packages are though. I notice there seems to be tons and tons of packages with SuSE.
I don't really know what they were for 9.1, which I'm running on my other systems, but I do know that they had Star Office bundled in with one (7.2 pro IIRC) and I liked it so much I bought the full version of the Star Office. SO 5.2 commercial version shipped with binaries for both Windows and *nix, as well as a better printer driver for the Canon BJC-4300, than gets shipped with CUPS.
Hi thanks. For myself, I just 10 minutes ago, purchase SuSE 9.2 Professional. I tried out version 9.1 on my laptop, and unfortunately out of the box, it doesn't work with my laptop's LCD screen, and during the installation the touch pad (synaptics) was too erratic to be usable. :-( I just get a black screen. I hope that I'll have better luck with version 9.2. I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-) BTW, when I mentioned tons of packages, that was a good thing. I am really impressed by the large number of packages that come with SuSE. -- joaquin
* Joaquin Menchaca <linuxuser@finnovative.net> [12-31-04 18:10]:
I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-)
Epson and HP are well supported in linux. Questions about particular printers and printing situations would be best answered in www.linuxprinting.org, recognized as the central repository for linux print support. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:07, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-)
I suggest that you have a look at this site for cups drivers for Epson Printers and download the drivers from here. http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/index.html The listing on Linux Printing only recommends the Gimp-Print backend (which apparently only works partially) but the above site is Epson's own support page for printers and scanners. http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Epson -- Regards, Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------
On Friday 31 December 2004 4:00 pm, Graham Smith wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:07, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
I'm curious about the printer support. I had Windows 2K3 be an LP server, which essentially translates postscript printjobs to GDI print jobs and sends it to the native Windows-only printer driver. Though, you don't get the best of quality, but it works. Though I would dearly love to get this Epson Sylus Color R400 variety to work natively. :-)
I suggest that you have a look at this site for cups drivers for Epson Printers and download the drivers from here.
http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/index.html
The listing on Linux Printing only recommends the Gimp-Print backend (which apparently only works partially) but the above site is Epson's own support page for printers and scanners. http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Epson
-- Regards,
Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for this link. I did notice that the site supports only i386 at the moment. Hopefully x86_64 will follow. Has anyone tried these (printer and scanner drivers) with x86_64 to see whether they work reliably anyway? Thanks, Richard
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