Hello SuSE people, In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red. I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ? Bob S.
On Saturday 16 April 2005 8:01 pm, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red.
I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ?
The list does, so it leaves a spamassasin tag in the headers. KMail sees that tag and uses the value in it to display the 'rating' you see. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
On Saturday 16 April 2005 09:53 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 8:01 pm, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red.
I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ?
The list does, so it leaves a spamassasin tag in the headers. KMail sees that tag and uses the value in it to display the 'rating' you see.
No, I don't believe the list does. Perhaps these headers are from other people's spam assassin. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:19 am, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 09:53 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 8:01 pm, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red.
I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ?
The list does, so it leaves a spamassasin tag in the headers. KMail sees that tag and uses the value in it to display the 'rating' you see.
No, I don't believe the list does. Perhaps these headers are from other people's spam assassin.
You are wrong, look again. The very headers from your message I received _from_ the list contained.... X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [SLE] spam status Check your raw headers, you will find that *every* message from the list is scanned at suse.de Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
On Saturday 16 April 2005 11:28 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:19 am, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 09:53 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 8:01 pm, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red.
I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ?
The list does, so it leaves a spamassasin tag in the headers. KMail sees that tag and uses the value in it to display the 'rating' you see.
No, I don't believe the list does. Perhaps these headers are from other people's spam assassin.
You are wrong, look again. The very headers from your message I received _from_ the list contained....
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [SLE] spam status
My headers say: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pen.homeip.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.9 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 pen.homeip.net is MY machine. There are no suse headers in there. Perhaps SA strips redundant headers. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:36 am, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 11:28 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:19 am, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 09:53 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 8:01 pm, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
In kmail, at the bottom of the header, there is a white rectangular box labeled spamassassin. Sometimes messages from this list put varying degrees of color into this box, from yellow > red.
I don't have spamassassin installed or running. Explanation ?
The list does, so it leaves a spamassasin tag in the headers. KMail sees that tag and uses the value in it to display the 'rating' you see.
No, I don't believe the list does. Perhaps these headers are from other people's spam assassin.
You are wrong, look again. The very headers from your message I received _from_ the list contained....
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [SLE] spam status
My headers say: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pen.homeip.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.9 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2
pen.homeip.net is MY machine. There are no suse headers in there. Perhaps SA strips redundant headers.
Yes, that's because unlike the OP, you *are* running spamassisin, so it has to remove the sa header on incoming and replace it with its own set. Note, however, that (at least here), two sets of the X-Virus-Scanned headers show up in all of my mail, one from scanhose.suse.de and a second one added by my amavis-new. The headers I showed you above are the raw headers as seen by fetchmail before fetchmail passed that piece of mail on to postfix, amavis-new, clamav, etc, so they are the headers present on the mail when it left suse.de. Anyone not running sa locally will have those headers in all mail from the list. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
On Saturday 16 April 2005 11:45 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
Yes, that's because unlike the OP, you *are* running spamassisin, so it has to remove the sa header on incoming and replace it with its own set. Note, however, that (at least here), two sets of the X-Virus-Scanned headers show up in all of my mail, one from scanhose.suse.de and a second one added by my amavis-new.
Except, we are talking about Spamassasin, not AMAVIS. VIRUS Scanning is NOT, (REPEAT not!!!) the subject of this thread. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:47 am, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 11:45 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
Yes, that's because unlike the OP, you *are* running spamassisin, so it has to remove the sa header on incoming and replace it with its own set. Note, however, that (at least here), two sets of the X-Virus-Scanned headers show up in all of my mail, one from scanhose.suse.de and a second one added by my amavis-new.
Except, we are talking about Spamassasin, not AMAVIS. VIRUS Scanning is NOT, (REPEAT not!!!) the subject of this thread.
You know, before you start YELLING about things you ought to know something about them. Try reading up on amavis-new then come back and talk about the subject. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
The Saturday 2005-04-16 at 23:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 16 April 2005 11:45 pm, Scott Leighton wrote:
Yes, that's because unlike the OP, you *are* running spamassisin, so it has to remove the sa header on incoming and replace it with its own set. Note, however, that (at least here), two sets of the X-Virus-Scanned headers show up in all of my mail, one from scanhose.suse.de and a second one added by my amavis-new.
Except, we are talking about Spamassasin, not AMAVIS. VIRUS Scanning is NOT, (REPEAT not!!!) the subject of this thread.
Please, DON'T SHOUT! Amavis-new (SuSE list server runs it) does both virus scanning and spam checking, by calling SpamAssassin. And, please, next time, before saying something in so strong terms, double check that you really know what you are talking about. SpamAssassin (run independently or by amavis-new) removes the spam headers, but leaves the "X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de" intact, even if amavis-new adds its own. It makes sense, both can remove email from the list. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 05:01, Carlos E. R. wrote: Interesting enough your message had sp*m status *** So something strange is going on just now. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/
The Tuesday 2005-04-19 at 16:06 -0700, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
Interesting enough your message had sp*m status ***
So something strange is going on just now.
Depends... on my system, I see this: | X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on nimrodel.valinor | X-Spam-Level: | X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham | version=2.64 So it is not spam ;-) Yours has: | X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham Very similar, you see. If you see a positive score, I can think two points to check: RBL lists, and Bayes database. As I'm on dialup and use my own postfix (long story), it is easy that my IP range gets black-listed. It happened yesterday and this afternoon. I can't help it. If it is the Bayesian score that is positive, you need to retrain it. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 16:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2005-04-19 at 16:06 -0700, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
Interesting enough your message had sp*m status ***
So something strange is going on just now.
Depends... on my system, I see this:
| X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on nimrodel.valinor | X-Spam-Level: | X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham | version=2.64
So it is not spam ;-)
Yours has:
| X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham
Very similar, you see. If you see a positive score, I can think two points to check: RBL lists, and Bayes database.
As I'm on dialup and use my own postfix (long story), it is easy that my IP range gets black-listed. It happened yesterday and this afternoon. I can't help it.
If it is the Bayesian score that is positive, you need to retrain it.
--
I am also on dialup and if for some reason I dont send mail the same day I reopen it and send thus changing the date and time. Then I delete the original and expunge the folder of deleted mail. It would be nice if evolution had a refresh button for the outbox so this could be done or would redate this automatically on sending. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/
The Wednesday 2005-04-20 at 19:27 -0700, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
I am also on dialup and if for some reason I dont send mail the same day I reopen it and send thus changing the date and time. Then I delete the original and expunge the folder of deleted mail.
It would be nice if evolution had a refresh button for the outbox so this could be done or would redate this automatically on sending.
I can do that with Balsa. I copy mail from the "sent" folder to "outbox", then click on "send waiting mail", and there it goes. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi, On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:32:39 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <.> wrote:
The Wednesday 2005-04-20 at 19:27 -0700, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
I am also on dialup and if for some reason I dont send mail the same day I reopen it and send thus changing the date and time. Then I delete the original and expunge the folder of deleted mail.
It would be nice if evolution had a refresh button for the outbox so this could be done or would redate this automatically on sending.
I can do that with Balsa. I copy mail from the "sent" folder to "outbox", then click on "send waiting mail", and there it goes.
I'm sorry, followed the thread, but couldn't get the point:( Why not to put that particular mail into the Draft folder and move it into the Outbox exclusively when you're ready to send it away?! This action even in Kmail changes the timestamp of that message so you don't have to edit anything in it, just simply put it into the Outbox and that's it... Pelibali
The Friday 2005-05-20 at 19:47 +0200, pelibali wrote:
It would be nice if evolution had a refresh button for the outbox so this could be done or would redate this automatically on sending.
I can do that with Balsa. I copy mail from the "sent" folder to "outbox", then click on "send waiting mail", and there it goes.
I'm sorry, followed the thread, but couldn't get the point:( Why not to put that particular mail into the Draft folder and move it into the Outbox exclusively when you're ready to send it away?!
This action even in Kmail changes the timestamp of that message so you don't have to edit anything in it, just simply put it into the Outbox and that's it...
What I do in Balsa is for already sent (but failed) mail, without changing any timestamp or header. It is a kind of "retry". -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi, On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:51:41 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <.> wrote: <..>
What I do in Balsa is for already sent (but failed) mail, without changing any timestamp or header. It is a kind of "retry".
OK, I got it, thanks:) In Kmail there is a similar function I used to take to send e-mails _again_. Right click and then "Send again...", but that definitely changes timestamp, even if you don't modify the text of the original e-mail. I like it this way and that was one feature I really liked in Kmail. In contrast, the speed of Sylpheed-Claws is just amazing: using both previously mentioned mail-clients in parallel gives you both advantages:) Maybe I should consider to try Balsa once... Have a nice weekend, Pelibali
The Friday 2005-05-20 at 23:30 +0200, pelibali wrote:
What I do in Balsa is for already sent (but failed) mail, without changing any timestamp or header. It is a kind of "retry".
OK, I got it, thanks:) In Kmail there is a similar function I used to take to send e-mails _again_. Right click and then "Send again...", but that definitely changes timestamp, even if you don't modify the text of the original e-mail. I like it this way and that was one feature I really liked in Kmail. In contrast, the speed of Sylpheed-Claws is just amazing: using both previously mentioned mail-clients in parallel gives you both advantages:) Maybe I should consider to try Balsa once...
The balsa in 9.3 is buggy. I tried that for the first time yesterday, and had problems. If I move the email with the mouse from Sent to outbox, while holding the "ctrl" key (to copy, not move) balsa crashes. If right click on the message, to get the popup menu, there is a "move" entry, but not copy. If I move, then send, the email is sent, but I loose all copies of the message. I have to move, exit balsa, open pine, copy back from outbox to sent, close pine, reopen balsa, click send pending mail... Is it only me, or do you think that procedure is too involved? Arghh!... Why has working software got to be upgraded to worse? I'm tempted to downgrade the version. Did you say that kmail _had_ the resend feature, or does it still have it? I can open up Kmail for that job. Pine is much faster, but I also can run several MUAs on the same mailboxes ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi, On Sat, 21 May 2005 16:49:13 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <.> wrote: <...>
Did you say that kmail _had_ the resend feature, or does it still have it?
I'm on SUSE 9.1 with KDE 3.3.1 now and the Kmail version 1.7.1 coming with this combo has the above "resend" feature... Best regards, Pelibali Ps. By the way I decided to stuck there with SUSE 9.1, until I manage to change (most likely) back to Mandriva or move to Fedora...
On Sunday 17 Apr 2005 08:28 am, Scott Leighton wrote:
You are wrong, look again. The very headers from your message I received _from_ the list contained....
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [SLE] spam status
Those headsers show that the mail was _virus_ scanned at suse.de, and also that it went through spamassassin somewhere. What does the X-Spam-Checker-Version: header from that mail say? M -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:40 am, Matt Gibson wrote:
On Sunday 17 Apr 2005 08:28 am, Scott Leighton wrote:
You are wrong, look again. The very headers from your message I received _from_ the list contained....
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [SLE] spam status
Those headsers show that the mail was _virus_ scanned at suse.de, and also that it went through spamassassin somewhere. What does the X-Spam-Checker-Version: header from that mail say?
Suse.de runs amavis-new, it does not leave an X-Spam-Checker-Version header in the mail, it only adds the X-Spam-Status and X-Spam-Level headers. It uses a spamassisin module, not the sa daemon. They act differently in subtle ways. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
On Sunday 17 Apr 2005 08:47 am, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:40 am, Matt Gibson wrote:
Those headsers show that the mail was _virus_ scanned at suse.de, and also that it went through spamassassin somewhere. What does the X-Spam-Checker-Version: header from that mail say?
Suse.de runs amavis-new, it does not leave an X-Spam-Checker-Version header in the mail, it only adds the X-Spam-Status and X-Spam-Level headers. It uses a spamassisin module, not the sa daemon. They act differently in subtle ways.
Ah, mystery explained. Thanks! I couldn't tell, because _I_ run spamassassin, too, and so I get my own X-Spam-Checker-Version header tagged on, so it looks like it all comes from the same place. Matt -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
On Sunday 17 Apr 2005 08:19 am, John Andersen wrote:
No, I don't believe the list does. Perhaps these headers are from other people's spam assassin.
You can probably find out by looking at the full headers; spamassassin will normally put the name of the host machine it was running on in the X-Spam-Checker-Version header. Matt -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
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