[SLE] Re: [opensuse-announce] Important SUSE Linux 10.1 update
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update # Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". Adrian Schröter wrote:
From today on we provide an important patch for the package management. It contains various bug fixes and performance improvements for YaST and Zen updater.
We recommend to install this patch with YaST Online Update (YOU). For that please start YaST manually through the menu and use the 'Online Update' module.
This version still lacks patch rpm support which will be delivered with an upcoming update.
We regret any inconvenience you experienced so far. We consider this update a large step forward and will continue improving our product constantly. Special thanks to our openSUSE community members and their efforts helping us to deliver this update.
Michael Loeffler Adrian Schroeter
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 10:33:09AM -0400, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept".
This means "There was nothing to do." in the version before the update. It is very likely that the mirror you use does not have the "libzypp update" yet. Check if it has repodata/patch-libzypp.... Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday, 9. June 2006 16:33, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept".
Didn't you install these packages as part of AJ testing previously already? Bye, Steve -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Friday, 9. June 2006 16:33, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept".
Didn't you install these packages as part of AJ testing previously already?
Bye, Steve
I am sorry but what exactly is the point you are trying to make in your cryptic response? Is Bruce now supposed to delete the original package from the A)Test or is the result he is getting supposed to be what he is getting or is the response he is getting not what should be happening? I have installed the package as per Andreas' test a), followed his instructions to the letter and what do I get? the same result as Bruce - the YOU online "update" simply vanishes. The zmd updater in the taskbar is glowing an orange colour and when I use to do an update it keeps showing that dhcp needs updating and then reports that there is dependency problem - and so this remains on every reboot. Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 01:05 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Friday, 9. June 2006 16:33, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept".
Didn't you install these packages as part of AJ testing previously already?
Bye, Steve
I am sorry but what exactly is the point you are trying to make in your cryptic response?
Is Bruce now supposed to delete the original package from the A)Test or is the result he is getting supposed to be what he is getting or is the response he is getting not what should be happening?
I have installed the package as per Andreas' test a), followed his instructions to the letter and what do I get? the same result as Bruce - the YOU online "update" simply vanishes. The zmd updater in the taskbar is glowing an orange colour and when I use to do an update it keeps showing that dhcp needs updating and then reports that there is dependency problem - and so this remains on every reboot.
Similar here. I did Andreas' earlier update suggestion. No obvious problem. I now tried 'yast2 online_update'. I got a window showing the lib listen in the left panel, recommending I do an upgrade. In the left panel were other yast patches listed in red with their boxes checked. I only pressed Accept, leaving all selections as they were. Then the window goes away. No message to stdout. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Friday, 9. June 2006 17:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
I am sorry but what exactly is the point you are trying to make in your cryptic response?
You have already what you try to install. Bye, Steve -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
You may have to select by hand patches you actually need. This is a pain, but hopefully the updated versions will work better. -- JDL -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections? Should I have some specific install source enabled? SUSE must be very specific here. As the update stuff has not been working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections?
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
Should I have some specific install source enabled?
No, just one of the mirrors. If you want to be safe, please wait some days.
SUSE must be very specific here. As the update stuff has not been working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed.
Again, please wait some days for the mirrors to catch up first. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Friday 09 June 2006 21:12 samaye, Marcus Meissner alekhiit:
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all? -- Tux #395953 resides at http://samvit.org playing with KDE 3.53 on SUSE Linux 10.1 $ date [] CCE +2006-06-10 W23-6 UTC+0530
Saturday 10 June 2006 08:07 samaye, Shriramana Sharma alekhiit:
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586. rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all?
Well I downloaded libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm and libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm and when I try to install it, I get: chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # ls latest-kde libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm original-only-on-ftp chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # rpm -Uvh libzypp* error: Failed dependencies: libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-ncurses-2.13.27-3.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-perl-bindings-2.13.4-17.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-pkg-bindings-2.13.68-4.i586 *Now* what do I do? -- Tux #395953 resides at http://samvit.org playing with KDE 3.53 on SUSE Linux 10.1 $ date [] CCE +2006-06-10 W23-6 UTC+0530
On Friday 09 June 2006 22:51, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Saturday 10 June 2006 08:07 samaye, Shriramana Sharma alekhiit:
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i58 6. rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all?
Well I downloaded libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm and libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm and when I try to install it, I get:
chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # ls latest-kde libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm original-only-on-ftp chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # rpm -Uvh libzypp* error: Failed dependencies: libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-ncurses-2.13.27-3.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-perl-bindings-2.13.4-17.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-pkg-bindings-2.13.68-4.i586
*Now* what do I do?
If you want to install the rpm files one by one and not deal with dependency issues then use rpm -Uhv --force --nodeps filename.rpm You should probably upgrade all the files named zypp* libzy* yast2* zen* ruby* rug* and zmd*. Novell has moved the directory where they keep them. You could also try running the Smart Package Manager and Smart GUI programs that are on your CD or DVD. It checks a number of sites and should pick up the needed files. You can get the files manually at http://software.opensuse.org/download/ but you will have to do some heavy poking around. I suggest installing Smart from your CD or DVD and letting it do the work. Ralph Ellis -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 00:11 -0400, Ralph Ellis wrote:
On Friday 09 June 2006 22:51, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Saturday 10 June 2006 08:07 samaye, Shriramana Sharma alekhiit:
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i58 6. rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all?
Well I downloaded libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm and libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm and when I try to install it, I get:
chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # ls latest-kde libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm original-only-on-ftp chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # rpm -Uvh libzypp* error: Failed dependencies: libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-ncurses-2.13.27-3.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-perl-bindings-2.13.4-17.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-pkg-bindings-2.13.68-4.i586
*Now* what do I do?
If you want to install the rpm files one by one and not deal with dependency issues then use rpm -Uhv --force --nodeps filename.rpm
This is probably the worst thing to do to install rpm packages and it is the surest way to tank your installation. Dependencies are there for a reason, so that all required libraries are installed to support the program. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 00:11 -0400, Ralph Ellis wrote:
On Friday 09 June 2006 22:51, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Saturday 10 June 2006 08:07 samaye, Shriramana Sharma alekhiit:
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11 .i58 6. rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all?
Well I downloaded libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm and libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm and when I try to install it, I get:
chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # ls latest-kde libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm libzypp-zmd-backend-7.1.1.0-42.21.i586.rpm original-only-on-ftp chandas:/home/samjnaa/ab/suse-official # rpm -Uvh libzypp* error: Failed dependencies: libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-ncurses-2.13.27-3.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-perl-bindings-2.13.4-17.i586 libzypp.so.0 is needed by (installed) yast2-pkg-bindings-2.13.68-4.i586
*Now* what do I do?
If you want to install the rpm files one by one and not deal with dependency issues then use rpm -Uhv --force --nodeps filename.rpm
This is probably the worst thing to do to install rpm packages and it is the surest way to tank your installation. Dependencies are there for a reason, so that all required libraries are installed to support the program.
-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 I agree. But since I could not get the updater to work and I did not immediately know about the Smart updater program and at first I could not get Yast to take the Suse package management directory as an update source, I was forced to use the Genghis Khan software installation method. Because all of
On Saturday 10 June 2006 08:48, Ken Schneider wrote: the update files were grouped together in the same directory at Suse, I felt confident that once all of them were installed that the dependency issues would be resolved. This is a last ditch resort for people. The Smart program is very elegant and solves the problem nicely. Ralph Ellis CPM and ZPM since 1985, PC Dos in 1987, DR Dos for a while, Windows since version 2 (crash, crash crash), OS/2, Linux since Suse 10 and Solaris 10 for a brief one night stand in a hotel room but we won't talk about that -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 08:07:01AM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Friday 09 June 2006 21:12 samaye, Marcus Meissner alekhiit:
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
Does this mean that libzypp is the only thing I have to upgrade? For long, YOU has not worked for me. I always manually download RPMs via FTP and install them. I see ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/update/10.1/rpm/i586/libzypp-1.1.0-1.11.i586.rpm so I can download and install this. Is that all?
First, YOU works for this very nicely, we have tested it. If you want to do by hand, you need to update _all_ rpms listed in the Patch that you have installed: (libzypp,libzypp-devel,libzypp-zmd-backend,autoyast2,autoyast2-installation,autoyast2-utils,ruby-zypp,rug,suseRegister,yast2,yast2-installation,yast2-instserver,yast2-ncurses,yast2-online-update,yast2-online-update-frontend,yast2-packager,yast2-perl-bindings,yast2-pkg-bindings,yast2-qt,zen-updater,zmd,zmd-devel,yast2-devel). libzypp and zmd were changed binary incompatible, so all dependend packages need to be updated too. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response. For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote: previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections?
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
Should I have some specific install source enabled?
No, just one of the mirrors. If you want to be safe, please wait some days.
SUSE must be very specific here. As the update stuff has not been working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed.
Again, please wait some days for the mirrors to catch up first.
Ciao, Marcus
Marcus, I can sense that tempers are starting to fray over this massive cock-up by a brain giant to a major Linux distro and from which it will take quite some time to recover. It is time to look at this situation more rationally and find a scheme to get it fixed as best "we" can. I can see that there are 2 types of SuSE 10.1 users who are affected by this: 1) those who are about to install 10.1 and 2) those who already have it installed. For those who are about to install it, when they do install it is there a mechanism set up which will upgrade the zmd application when the installation process calls home for any updates? For those of us who already have 10.1 installed and cannot get the bloody zmd working, I ask these 2 questions: a) would it help if I reinstall 10.1 - and if I do will the zmd be auto-updated on the first call "home"? or if I do re-install would I be better off either downloading libzypp 1.1.0-1.11 manually and installing it or doing the "test a)" which Andreas adkes? and b) I, for one, would be most happy to download a new copy of the ISO CD disc containing the new libzypp PLUS ANY ASSOCIATED fixed files and then burning a new DVD using this new ISO (with the new, fixed files) and re-install 10.1. Can such a new ISO disc be created and put up for download? Can we please take the discussion from here and try and fix this serious problem ASAP. And PLEASE, everybody, could you please stay ON TOPIC and make sure that your responses are not cryptic but contain enough information to solve this problem. And for Chrissake do not muddy the waters and do NOT mention SMART or APT, or whatever. Just stick with the default updater which comes with 10.1 even though it is a total disaster. Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed.
Again, please wait some days for the mirrors to catch up first.
Ciao, Marcus
Marcus, I can sense that tempers are starting to fray over this massive cock-up by a brain giant to a major Linux distro and from which it will take quite some time to recover.
It is time to look at this situation more rationally and find a scheme to get it fixed as best "we" can.
I can see that there are 2 types of SuSE 10.1 users who are affected by this: 1) those who are about to install 10.1 and 2) those who already have it installed.
For those who are about to install it, when they do install it is there a mechanism set up which will upgrade the zmd application when the installation process calls home for any updates?
Yes. After the "Online Update Configuration" process in the Installation workflow there is the change to run "Online Update". This Online Update will fetch the update if the network and the remote server is setup correctly. No other fixes are necessary if this is done.
For those of us who already have 10.1 installed and cannot get the bloody zmd working, I ask these 2 questions:
a) would it help if I reinstall 10.1 - and if I do will the zmd be auto-updated on the first call "home"? or if I do re-install would I be better off either downloading libzypp 1.1.0-1.11 manually and installing it or doing the "test a)" which Andreas adkes? and
Well, reinstalling 10.1 is too drastic I think. It would work if correctly setup, as described above. I would strongly suggest ot first try to install it via "YaST Online Update".
b) I, for one, would be most happy to download a new copy of the ISO CD disc containing the new libzypp PLUS ANY ASSOCIATED fixed files and then burning a new DVD using this new ISO (with the new, fixed files) and re-install 10.1. Can such a new ISO disc be created and put up for download?
This would be pretty much work I guess. I dont know if this is possible. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Saturday 10 June 2006 07:43, Marcus Meissner wrote:
This would be pretty much work I guess. I dont know if this is possible.
Ciao, Marcus
Lets face it in actual reality there is only one way to fix this problem that should never have happened in the first place . A complete re-issue of the affected cd's/dvd's . For a purchased distro this whole thing has been a total disgrace . Untill there is a major improvment in the standard of Suse distro's or Novell get out i will not purchase any more too much trouble , Updates that don't update , Updates scattered all over the place instead of in ONE place that is easy to find with every file needed ready to be downloaded with a propper program like wget or gftp or similar i wont say kbear cus it is still broken . Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Well, reinstalling 10.1 is too drastic I think.
I ended up having to do something close to this. Rather than re-install I just pushed the bits down a second time. :) Here is my story .. (paraphrasing an old US TV Series) At some point the Zen updater icon turned orange and told me that I had 13 updates. So naturally I tried to effect them. After a bit of churning I got a short two word message in a dialog box (IIRC it was "Unresolved error"). Great. I knew that I had gone to the KDE update repository and done updates to 3.5.3 so perhaps the fault was mine. I uninstalled KDE, rebooted, and tried again from Gnome, with the same results (unfortunately). I then booted off the SUSE 10.1 DVD and told it to do an "update". This time when the network test and register-with-Novell occurred I just let it run. I've no idea why this is so sloooowwwww, but after 30 minutes I eventually went out for an errand. When I came home an hour later it had completed the registration and setup my update site. I accepted the proposal to update libzypp. I rebooted into KDE, Zen updater said that I had 59 updates, I did the update, and it all worked. So I'm good (thus far). - Bruce -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Marcus Meissner wrote:
working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed. Again, please wait some days for the mirrors to catch up first.
Ciao, Marcus
Marcus, I can sense that tempers are starting to fray over this massive cock-up by a brain giant to a major Linux distro and from which it will take quite some time to recover.
It is time to look at this situation more rationally and find a scheme to get it fixed as best "we" can.
I can see that there are 2 types of SuSE 10.1 users who are affected by this: 1) those who are about to install 10.1 and 2) those who already have it installed.
For those who are about to install it, when they do install it is there a mechanism set up which will upgrade the zmd application when the installation process calls home for any updates?
Yes. After the "Online Update Configuration" process in the Installation workflow there is the change to run "Online Update".
This Online Update will fetch the update if the network and the remote server is setup correctly.
No other fixes are necessary if this is done.
Thank you for your reply. As I mentioned, I did the 'Andreas test" and not matter what I did I could not update using YOU or the "Beast". What I finally did was to reinstall 10.1 - and this (fianlly!) produced the correct result: I was able to update the installation using YOU.
For those of us who already have 10.1 installed and cannot get the bloody zmd working, I ask these 2 questions:
a) would it help if I reinstall 10.1 - and if I do will the zmd be auto-updated on the first call "home"? or if I do re-install would I be better off either downloading libzypp 1.1.0-1.11 manually and installing it or doing the "test a)" which Andreas adkes? and
Well, reinstalling 10.1 is too drastic I think. It would work if correctly setup, as described above.
I would strongly suggest ot first try to install it via "YaST Online Update".
Well, as I already stated I had tried using YOU and all I ever got was it disappearing into oblivion as soon as I clicked on ACCEPT. Reinstalling 10.1 and having the update during the second call home download the repaired libzypp got things moving.
b) I, for one, would be most happy to download a new copy of the ISO CD disc containing the new libzypp PLUS ANY ASSOCIATED fixed files and then burning a new DVD using this new ISO (with the new, fixed files) and re-install 10.1. Can such a new ISO disc be created and put up for download?
This would be pretty much work I guess. I dont know if this is possible.
Sorry to say but I think just as a matter of a Public Relations exercise this should be done. Afterall, the original CDs were burnt from some list of applications to be put on each CD, and someone must be tracking all the updates to the various applications in SuSE so it isn't beyond someone's capability to supply the list of files to go on a new set of CDs. Thanks for your help. Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On 6/12/06, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Sorry to say but I think just as a matter of a Public Relations exercise this should be done.
Afterall, the original CDs were burnt from some list of applications to be put on each CD, and someone must be tracking all the updates to the various applications in SuSE so it isn't beyond someone's capability to supply the list of files to go on a new set of CDs.
I've long been a champion of SuSE Linux, yet with the debarcle that is 10.1updates I've personally remained on 10.0 until it's fully resolved. I still can't claim to have the confidence to move up my production desktops to 10.1. A respin of the ISOs once fully resolved is prudent, as it will ensure the likes of people like me look in again on 10.1... which to date I've avoided like the plague. The issue is large enough that for many users SuSE Linux 10.1 isn't a workable solution. :( Yes I do know of Smart PM, but out of the box is doesn't work. I think the lesson here is to ensure key items like updates are tested heavily prior to shipping a 'release'. I personally would prefer to see a stable +.1 release every 12 months (instead of 6) if the quality and polish we've known from SuSE was there. I can't say that 10.1 gives me that confidence. :( It's a shame... I did like the work done on the 10.1 and have been looking forward to running it. I guess at this stage... I may be waiting until 10.3. Cheers, Matt. -- Matt Bottrell mbottrell@gmail.com
Basil Chupin wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It
Bruce A. Mallett wrote: lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response. For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote: previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections?
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
Should I have some specific install source enabled?
No, just one of the mirrors. If you want to be safe, please wait some days.
SUSE must be very specific here. As the update stuff has not been working, it is not like I have had a chance to explore and see what it does and sort out all the nifty new locations. That will only be possible after the basic update stuff works. So, the upgrade instructions must tell where the updates are to be gotten from. Andreas told this. He also said to remove his update source, which I did and which is still the case. The latest info (email today in this list) did not suggest any specific update source was needed.
Again, please wait some days for the mirrors to catch up first.
Ciao, Marcus
Marcus, I can sense that tempers are starting to fray over this massive cock-up by a brain giant to a major Linux distro and from which it will take quite some time to recover.
It is time to look at this situation more rationally and find a scheme to get it fixed as best "we" can.
I can see that there are 2 types of SuSE 10.1 users who are affected by this: 1) those who are about to install 10.1 and 2) those who already have it installed.
For those who are about to install it, when they do install it is there a mechanism set up which will upgrade the zmd application when the installation process calls home for any updates?
For those of us who already have 10.1 installed and cannot get the bloody zmd working, I ask these 2 questions:
a) would it help if I reinstall 10.1 - and if I do will the zmd be auto-updated on the first call "home"? or if I do re-install would I be better off either downloading libzypp 1.1.0-1.11 manually and installing it or doing the "test a)" which Andreas adkes? and
b) I, for one, would be most happy to download a new copy of the ISO CD disc containing the new libzypp PLUS ANY ASSOCIATED fixed files and then burning a new DVD using this new ISO (with the new, fixed files) and re-install 10.1. Can such a new ISO disc be created and put up for download?
Can we please take the discussion from here and try and fix this serious problem ASAP.
And PLEASE, everybody, could you please stay ON TOPIC and make sure that your responses are not cryptic but contain enough information to solve this problem.
And for Chrissake do not muddy the waters and do NOT mention SMART or APT, or whatever. Just stick with the default updater which comes with 10.1 even though it is a total disaster.
Cheers.
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing to attach all 31 files to an email(s) and send them to you as long as you tell me which version you need i386, i586 or x86_64. A much better option is when you do the first install or afterwards do a search for the files "smart" and pick up "smart" and "smart gui" via the YAST Software Management tool or through the option choices for your first install. It has a list of sites included in itself and should pick them up and other update files without much interverntion on your part. 1) Have Smart update all channels before beginning 2) Have Smart take all upgraded files. Because SUSE Yast is damaged, it may or may not pick up the update once you setup your initial mirror site. I had trouble adding in an initial mirror site automatically and had to specify the installation source. If all else fails, you can get all the needed files on opensuse and do rpm -Uhv --force --nodeps filename.rpm to each of the 31 files till everything is in. Take all the yast2* zen* zmd* libzy* zypp* files that you can find. I can put a full list here if anyone needs that sort of detail. Not everyone need every last file but it covers all bases. Ralph Ellis -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates. The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates.
The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now.
Marcus, will a stock, updated with the the updates from the above software be able to see the new update or will we have to add a source in order to be able to update our systems? -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates.
The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now.
Marcus, will a stock, updated with the the updates from the above software be able to see the new update or will we have to add a source in order to be able to update our systems?
Me too. I suspect that having done the earlier test update has made the now official update not work. The new stuff seems not to be found. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates.
The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now.
Marcus, will a stock, updated with the the updates from the above software be able to see the new update or will we have to add a source in order to be able to update our systems?
Me too. I suspect that having done the earlier test update has made the now official update not work. The new stuff seems not to be found.
If you added AJs testrepo, remove it from the list of installation sources and add a regular update mirror. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 09:20 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates.
The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now.
Marcus, will a stock, updated with the the updates from the above software be able to see the new update or will we have to add a source in order to be able to update our systems?
Me too. I suspect that having done the earlier test update has made the now official update not work. The new stuff seems not to be found.
If you added AJs testrepo, remove it from the list of installation sources and add a regular update mirror.
I did remove it. There is no other update mirror in the list on my system. I did do a registration that placed some things there. But they seem to have gone away during this update fun. I know that I did not actively remove them. I suspect some part of the non-functional update did something. So I guess I should register again, huh?
Ciao, Marcus
-- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:25:07AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 09:20 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:08 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
For me the best set up was to do the online update on the very first or second post setup boot. I would set up the directory at opensuse as an Installation Source. It was extact as entered ftp.suse.com pub/people/aj./10.1-packagemanagement-update-test However since it has been moved I am not sure where you can get all the files in one place. If someone is really desperate, I would be willing
The online update in second stage install will get all the necessary updates.
The AJ repo was only for testing this, it is in the official trees now.
Marcus, will a stock, updated with the the updates from the above software be able to see the new update or will we have to add a source in order to be able to update our systems?
Me too. I suspect that having done the earlier test update has made the now official update not work. The new stuff seems not to be found.
If you added AJs testrepo, remove it from the list of installation sources and add a regular update mirror.
I did remove it. There is no other update mirror in the list on my system. I did do a registration that placed some things there. But they seem to have gone away during this update fun. I know that I did not actively remove them. I suspect some part of the non-functional update did something. So I guess I should register again, huh?
Yes, or just add a mirror in the Change Installation Sources dialog. (ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/suse/update/10.1/ is one for insance). Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 17:42 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections?
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
OK. Why does mine at this moment show 0.0.8-154 as available? In the announcement of the fix, there should be a statement about where the fix is. It is obviously not where YAST looks at out-of-the-box. I'm confused. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:17:07AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 17:42 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:16 +0100, John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
For me, Yast lists in the left panel that an upgrade of libzypp is recommended. I take that to mean it it not already installed. Also, as I previously did Andreas' interim update, I see that Yast claims I have libzypp 1.1.0-1.7 installed, while version 0.0.8-154 is listed as being available. What version of the various updates actually contain the expected corrections?
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11.
OK. Why does mine at this moment show 0.0.8-154 as available? In the announcement of the fix, there should be a statement about where the fix is. It is obviously not where YAST looks at out-of-the-box.
I'm confused.
It is on the update mirrors that are added by the Online Update Registration dialog. Check to see if you have any listed, and if this mirror is up to date. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:18:24 +0200 Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
The update contains libzypp 1.1.0-1.11. OK. Why does mine at this moment show 0.0.8-154 as available? In the announcement of the fix, there should be a statement about where the fix is. It is obviously not where YAST looks at out-of-the-box.
It is on the update mirrors that are added by the Online Update Registration dialog.
The Registration rigamarole is why I flatly refuse to consider Windows. Been a SuSE user and supporter since before SuSE 6.0. Once upon a time SuSE was usable *without* Registration. If these days getting a current SuSE to be usable requires Registration, then SuSE is no longer the distribution for me. mikus (I *bought* my boxed copy of Novell's SUSE Linux 10.1) p.s. The primary package managers I use are SMART and apt-get. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 12:54, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
If these days getting a current SuSE to be usable requires Registration
It doesn't it does require you to have online update servers listed. In the past, you got the list every time you ran online update. Now you run a registration once to add one or two to your installation sources. But if you have preferred addresses already, you are perfectly free to use them yourself -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 12:54, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
If these days getting a current SuSE to be usable requires Registration
It doesn't
it does require you to have online update servers listed. In the past, you got the list every time you ran online update. Now you run a registration once to add one or two to your installation sources. But if you have preferred addresses already, you are perfectly free to use them yourself
Then why call this process "Registration"? Call it something else. As far as I am concerned calling it Registration is a deliberate choice which at some later stage WILL become a proper Registration process. It is called introduction of a mandatory process by stealth. For example, one of our local TV stations did not have advertising like the commercial TV stations. Then it introduced advertising by only selected advertisers whose ads. were considered "tasteful", shall we say, and not the yelling, screaming, inane type which occur on normal commercial stations - you know what I mean. The other thing is that these commercials were only shown between programs and the programs themselves were never interrupted by ads. A few weeks ago I noticed that the news broadcasts on this TV station were "interrupted" at the mid-point where the newsreader started to say that such-and such news items are to follow; then the station's logo would come up and then immediately be followed by the newsreader continuing to read the news. This I found to be most strange - but then the penny dropped, and I groaned. Last week it came out that this TV station will be introducing commercial breaks into their programs and not just show the ads. between programs. So what the station is now doing is sneakily getting people accustomed to commercial breaks during the news broadcasts (to be followed by other programs). So calling the process during installation as "Registration" is deliberate. What is the last button called when this "Registration" menu comes up? Why is that button there? Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 15:40, Basil Chupin wrote:
As far as I am concerned calling it Registration is a deliberate choice which at some later stage WILL become a proper Registration process. It is called introduction of a mandatory process by stealth.
No it's not, it's called using the same terminology for SLES and SUSE Linux For SLES it will be mandatory. For SUSE Linux not so Please don't jump to unwarranted conclusions -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 15:40, Basil Chupin wrote:
As far as I am concerned calling it Registration is a deliberate choice which at some later stage WILL become a proper Registration process. It is called introduction of a mandatory process by stealth.
No it's not, it's called using the same terminology for SLES and SUSE Linux
For SLES it will be mandatory. For SUSE Linux not so
Please don't jump to unwarranted conclusions
Just being alert. And I have saved a copy of your response for future reference :-) . Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 11:40:26PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 12:54, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
If these days getting a current SuSE to be usable requires Registration
It doesn't
it does require you to have online update servers listed. In the past, you got the list every time you ran online update. Now you run a registration once to add one or two to your installation sources. But if you have preferred addresses already, you are perfectly free to use them yourself
Then why call this process "Registration"? Call it something else.
Too late now unfortunately.
As far as I am concerned calling it Registration is a deliberate choice which at some later stage WILL become a proper Registration process. It is called introduction of a mandatory process by stealth.
It is Registration for our business products in the SLE 10 line, thats the reason it is called that way.
So calling the process during installation as "Registration" is deliberate. What is the last button called when this "Registration" menu comes up? Why is that button there?
See above. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 16:22 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
It is Registration for our business products in the SLE 10 line, thats the reason it is called that way.
I know it is briefly stated in the release notes and the actual registration process tells a bit, but I for one would be happier if a more detailed description of what is sent were provided. If nothing else, I could calm some other paranoid folk in these parts. Also, I would better understand when/if I need to re-register. Move location? Change hardware? Install some new software? What should require that the info is updated? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:27:33PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 16:22 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
It is Registration for our business products in the SLE 10 line, thats the reason it is called that way.
I know it is briefly stated in the release notes and the actual registration process tells a bit, but I for one would be happier if a more detailed description of what is sent were provided. If nothing else, I could calm some other paranoid folk in these parts. Also, I would better understand when/if I need to re-register. Move location? Change hardware? Install some new software? What should require that the info is updated?
The whole HTTPS traffic is in: /root/.suse_register.log No need to rerun this dialog at all, or to even use it. Ciao, Marcus
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 17:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:27:33PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 16:22 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
It is Registration for our business products in the SLE 10 line, thats the reason it is called that way.
I know it is briefly stated in the release notes and the actual registration process tells a bit, but I for one would be happier if a more detailed description of what is sent were provided. If nothing else, I could calm some other paranoid folk in these parts. Also, I would better understand when/if I need to re-register. Move location? Change hardware? Install some new software? What should require that the info is updated?
The whole HTTPS traffic is in: /root/.suse_register.log'
I do not find this file. I looked in /home/*, /etc and /tmp as well.
No need to rerun this dialog at all, or to even use it.
You don't mean at all, do you? Any initial update will fail unless you add a source by hand. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 09:33:19PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 17:53 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:27:33PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 16:22 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
It is Registration for our business products in the SLE 10 line, thats the reason it is called that way.
I know it is briefly stated in the release notes and the actual registration process tells a bit, but I for one would be happier if a more detailed description of what is sent were provided. If nothing else, I could calm some other paranoid folk in these parts. Also, I would better understand when/if I need to re-register. Move location? Change hardware? Install some new software? What should require that the info is updated?
The whole HTTPS traffic is in: /root/.suse_register.log'
I do not find this file. I looked in /home/*, /etc and /tmp as well.
Filled in during registering ;) Various hwinfo --gfxcard etc. information. You can read the source , /usr/bin/suse_register (perl).
No need to rerun this dialog at all, or to even use it.
You don't mean at all, do you? Any initial update will fail unless you add a source by hand.
Yes. You can just add one by hand in "Installation Source". There is no need to use the "registration" process in SUSE Linux at all. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
You may have to select by hand patches you actually need. This is a pain, but hopefully the updated versions will work better.
Oh dear. What do you mean by "select by hand:, John? Select from where? Select which patches? Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:43:51PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
John D Lamb wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Does this work for anyone? I find that online_update lists a whole bunch of things to update but when I click "Accept" the window just disappears. If I run it from the shell prompt I get this: # yast2 online_update #
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
You may have to select by hand patches you actually need. This is a pain, but hopefully the updated versions will work better.
Oh dear.
What do you mean by "select by hand:, John?
Select from where?
Select which patches?
No, this is not necessary. YOU will automatically select the patches it needs. The YOU GA version had the small flaw that it terminated itself on "Accept" if nothing was to do, which might have looked like a crash. The updated YOU will show that nothing needed to be done. Ciao, Marcus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
John D Lamb wrote:
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
You may have to select by hand patches you actually need. This is a pain, but hopefully the updated versions will work better.
What do you mean by "select by hand:, John? I don't know if YOU still automatically selects all the packages you need. My guess is that it does but I've used a mixture of methods to get
Basil Chupin wrote: the updates; so I can't be sure. -- JDL -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
John D Lamb wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
John D Lamb wrote:
Yes, thats right .. it says nothing. It is just gone after the "Accept". I thought I had this problem, but it turns out YOU has changed. It lists all the installed patches and not just the new ones. So if you already have the patches installed, disappearing right after the "Accept" is the right response.
You may have to select by hand patches you actually need. This is a pain, but hopefully the updated versions will work better. What do you mean by "select by hand:, John?
I don't know if YOU still automatically selects all the packages you need. My guess is that it does but I've used a mixture of methods to get the updates; so I can't be sure.
All very damn confusing, ain't it? :-( . Well, I reinstalled 10.1 and the new libzypp was installed during the installation process which then also allowed the system to be updated (by YOU/Yast). From what I saw during this update stage was that YOU did automatically select the packages. Cheers. -- Indecision is the key to flexibility. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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