How do you subscribe to a mailing list now? Wiki is wrong - both ways
All, This would be comical if it wasn't serious. I'm attempting to subscribe to the bugs mailing list. Since kitty interface no longer has a subscribe option, I consulted the wiki: https://languages.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists It says: <quote> To subscribe to a mailing list, send e-mail to <LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org Choose <LISTNAME> from the list of available mailing lists. Nomail subscription The nomail version of a mailing list means that you are recognized as a subscriber, but will not get any messages from the list. This is useful when it's necessary to post from several email addresses to a subscribers-only list or if you read mails from the list elsewhere (gmane). Subscription works with the following address: <LISTNAME>+subscribe-nomail@opensuse.org </quote> **note** contradictory addresses: <LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org and <LISTNAME>+subscribe-nomail@opensuse.org **neither work** Both result in: <quote> Your message to the openSUSE Bugs mailing-list was rejected for the following reasons: The message is not from a list member </quote WTH? What in the heck is going on?? How do you subscribe now? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
23.10.2024 05:46, David C. Rankin wrote:
How do you subscribe now?
https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/users.lists.opensuse.org/
Hello, In the Message; Subject : How do you subscribe to a mailing list now? Wiki is wrong - both ways Message-ID : <2ccf12d1-80b0-45bb-aff7-40ffac5eb20b@gmail.com> Date & Time: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 21:46:49 -0500 [DCR] == "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@gmail.com> has written: [...] DCR> Your message to the openSUSE Bugs mailing-list was rejected for DCR> the following reasons: DCR> The message is not from a list member DCR> </quote DCR> WTH? What in the heck is going on?? How do you subscribe now? It seems to be different from other openSUSE's mailing lists, and I subscribed at the following place; https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/index.cgi Also, only emails regarding the issues I have reported bugs for were sent. Best Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ lake.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Maddox hopes that empowering users to pick their own algorithms will get them to think more about what’s involved in making them. " -- Bluesky's Custom Algorithms Could Be the Future of Social Media --
Should be able to subscribe here: https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/bugs.lists.opensuse.org/ Den ons 23 okt. 2024 kl 03:47 skrev David C. Rankin <drankinatty@gmail.com>:
All,
This would be comical if it wasn't serious. I'm attempting to subscribe to the bugs mailing list. Since kitty interface no longer has a subscribe option, I consulted the wiki: https://languages.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists
It says:
<quote>
To subscribe to a mailing list, send e-mail to <LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org Choose <LISTNAME> from the list of available mailing lists. Nomail subscription
The nomail version of a mailing list means that you are recognized as a subscriber, but will not get any messages from the list. This is useful when it's necessary to post from several email addresses to a subscribers-only list or if you read mails from the list elsewhere (gmane).
Subscription works with the following address:
<LISTNAME>+subscribe-nomail@opensuse.org
</quote>
**note** contradictory addresses:
<LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org
and
<LISTNAME>+subscribe-nomail@opensuse.org
**neither work** Both result in:
<quote>
Your message to the openSUSE Bugs mailing-list was rejected for the following reasons:
The message is not from a list member
</quote
WTH? What in the heck is going on?? How do you subscribe now?
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 10/22/24 11:50 PM, Luna Jernberg wrote:
Should be able to subscribe here: https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/bugs.lists.opensuse.org/
That got it. Andrei pointed my in the right direction and I just changed "users" to "bugs" (as you have here) and was able to subscribe. Seems the wiki needs some updating. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Forwarded it to project, so someone that have some spare time can look at it Den ons 23 okt. 2024 kl 05:58 skrev David C. Rankin <drankinatty@gmail.com>:
On 10/22/24 11:50 PM, Luna Jernberg wrote:
Should be able to subscribe here: https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/bugs.lists.opensuse.org/
That got it.
Andrei pointed my in the right direction and I just changed "users" to "bugs" (as you have here) and was able to subscribe.
Seems the wiki needs some updating.
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 2024-10-23 04:46, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
This would be comical if it wasn't serious. I'm attempting to subscribe to the bugs mailing list. Since kitty interface no longer has a subscribe option, I consulted the wiki: https:// languages.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists
It says:
<quote>
To subscribe to a mailing list, send e-mail to <LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org
This is directly wrong. Lists are all "...@lists.opensuse.org" so disregard that wiki entry totally. The correct link is: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription which is easy to find. https://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page enter "mail list" as search term. https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?search=mail+list openSUSE:Communication channels (section Mailing lists) org - This is the list for user support when using an openSUSE Distribution.. Subscribe - Unsubscribe - Help - Archives List of mailing lists contains name 7 KB (754 words) - 23:53, 12 April 2024 https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels All mailing lists * List of mailing lists contains name, short intro and links for easy subscription, un-subscription, help and link to archives of that list. They are the most frequently asked for. -> Mailing lists subscription explains all available subscription options and gives technical background on subscribing, leaving (unsubscribing) and more. * Mailing list netiquette is article that explains customs on our mailing lists that help new users to get help. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription That's the correct wiki page explaining everything about mail list subscription. ...
**neither work** Both result in:
<quote>
Your message to the openSUSE Bugs mailing-list was rejected for the following reasons:
The message is not from a list member
You are trying to post an email to the list and you are not subscribed. The post you sent is not recognized as a command, it has the wrong syntax. I assume you want: bugs@lists.opensuse.org https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/bugs@lists.opensuse.org/ To subscribe, write to bugs-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org To find the instructions fast, next time look at the headers of your own email to any opensuse list. You are using Thunderbird, so ctrl-u on any post from the list. Search for "List-", and find the headers: List-Help: <mailto:users-request@lists.opensuse.org?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:users-owner@lists.opensuse.org> List-Post: <mailto:users@lists.opensuse.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:users-join@lists.opensuse.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:users-leave@lists.opensuse.org> which says the address to subscribe is LISTNAME-join@lists.opensuse.org To get instructions, write to LISTNAME-request@lists.opensuse.org, with subject=help -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:56:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2024-10-23 04:46, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
This would be comical if it wasn't serious. I'm attempting to subscribe to the bugs mailing list. Since kitty interface no longer has a subscribe option, I consulted the wiki: https:// languages.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists
It says:
<quote>
To subscribe to a mailing list, send e-mail to <LISTNAME>+subscribe@opensuse.org
This is directly wrong. Lists are all "...@lists.opensuse.org" so disregard that wiki entry totally.
The correct link is:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription
which is easy to find.
https://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page
enter "mail list" as search term.
https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?search=mail+list
openSUSE:Communication channels (section Mailing lists) org - This is the list for user support when using an openSUSE Distribution.. Subscribe - Unsubscribe - Help - Archives List of mailing lists contains name 7 KB (754 words) - 23:53, 12 April 2024
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels
All mailing lists
* List of mailing lists contains name, short intro and links for easy subscription, un-subscription, help and link to archives of that list. They are the most frequently asked for. -> Mailing lists subscription explains all available subscription options and gives technical background on subscribing, leaving (unsubscribing) and more. * Mailing list netiquette is article that explains customs on our mailing lists that help new users to get help.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription
That's the correct wiki page explaining everything about mail list subscription.
Well it still doesn't work! It gives the same error as the email subscription method David pointed out. "The message is not from a list member "The original message as received by Mailman is attached. "From: Dave Howorth <bugs.at.lists@howorth.org.uk> To: bugs+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:53:06 +0100"
On 2024-10-23 15:56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:56:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <...> wrote:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription
That's the correct wiki page explaining everything about mail list subscription.
Well it still doesn't work! It gives the same error as the email subscription method David pointed out.
"The message is not from a list member
"The original message as received by Mailman is attached.
"From: Dave Howorth <bugs.at.lists@howorth.org.uk> To: bugs+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:53:06 +0100"
That's interesting. The syntax on the headers say: List-Subscribe: <mailto:users-join@lists.opensuse.org> Ie, you have to send an empty email to "bugs-join@lists.opensuse.org", and perhaps "bugs-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org", Let me try to retrieve the help mail. List-Help: <mailto:test-request@lists.opensuse.org?subject=help> I got back: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:41:34 +0000 From: test-bounces@lists.opensuse.org To: ...@telefonica.net Subject: The results of your email commands The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: "Carlos E. R." <...@telefonica.net> Subject: help Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52ce5170-dff7-3239-3969-c44a6ec21f68@telefonica.net> - Results: confirm - Confirm a subscription or held message request. echo - Echo back your arguments. end - Stop processing commands. help - Get help about available email commands. join - Join this mailing list. leave - Leave this mailing list. stop - An alias for 'end'. subscribe - An alias for 'join'. unsubscribe - An alias for 'leave'. who - Get a list of the list members. No such command: -- No such command: cheers No such command: e. No such command: 15.5 - Done. So to subscribe, this "might" work: to:test-request@lists.opensuse.org subject=subscribe There is no command for "nomail". You can do that at the web interface, though. Looking at the web page, it says: subscribe: <LISTNAME-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org>. nomailsubs: <LISTNAME+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org> The later can't be, that '+' should be a '-'. Perhaps you can try that? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:50:53 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2024-10-23 15:56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:56:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <...> wrote:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription
That's the correct wiki page explaining everything about mail list subscription.
Well it still doesn't work! It gives the same error as the email subscription method David pointed out.
"The message is not from a list member
"The original message as received by Mailman is attached.
"From: Dave Howorth <bugs.at.lists@howorth.org.uk> To: bugs+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:53:06 +0100"
That's interesting.
The syntax on the headers say:
List-Subscribe: <mailto:users-join@lists.opensuse.org>
Ie, you have to send an empty email to "bugs-join@lists.opensuse.org", and perhaps "bugs-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org",
Let me try to retrieve the help mail.
List-Help: <mailto:test-request@lists.opensuse.org?subject=help>
I got back:
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:41:34 +0000 From: test-bounces@lists.opensuse.org To: ...@telefonica.net Subject: The results of your email commands
The results of your email command are provided below.
- Original message details: From: "Carlos E. R." <...@telefonica.net> Subject: help Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52ce5170-dff7-3239-3969-c44a6ec21f68@telefonica.net>
- Results: confirm - Confirm a subscription or held message request. echo - Echo back your arguments. end - Stop processing commands. help - Get help about available email commands. join - Join this mailing list. leave - Leave this mailing list. stop - An alias for 'end'. subscribe - An alias for 'join'. unsubscribe - An alias for 'leave'. who - Get a list of the list members. No such command: -- No such command: cheers No such command: e. No such command: 15.5
- Done.
So to subscribe, this "might" work:
to:test-request@lists.opensuse.org subject=subscribe
There is no command for "nomail". You can do that at the web interface, though.
Looking at the web page, it says:
subscribe: <LISTNAME-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org>. nomailsubs: <LISTNAME+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>
The later can't be, that '+' should be a '-'. Perhaps you can try that?
Or perhaps you can try? My opinion is that all the joining by email instructions are wrong and the only way to join is using the web form. That does work as I've done it. Now I need to work out how to unsubscribe ... :)
On 2024-10-23 19:11, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:50:53 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <...> wrote:
There is no command for "nomail". You can do that at the web interface, though.
Looking at the web page, it says:
subscribe: <LISTNAME-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org>. nomailsubs: <LISTNAME+subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>
The later can't be, that '+' should be a '-'. Perhaps you can try that?
Or perhaps you can try?
I have few mail lists unsubscribed. I tried, after lunch and siesta. <bugs-subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>: host mailman3.infra.opensuse.org[2a07:de40:b27e:1203::b46] said: 550 5.1.1 <bugs-subscribe-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>: Recipient address rejected: non-existent mailing list (in reply to RCPT TO command) <bugs-join-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>: host mailman3.infra.opensuse.org[2a07:de40:b27e:1203::b46] said: 550 5.1.1 <bugs-join-nomail@lists.opensuse.org>: Recipient address rejected: non-existent mailing list (in reply to RCPT TO command) But the list does exist: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/bugs@lists.opensuse.org/ This worked: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:27:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos E. R. <...@telefonica.net> To: bugs-subscribe@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [oS-bugs] It is "nomail" that doesn't work. You could try "bugs-subscribe+nomail@lists.opensuse.org" (+ instead of -), but AFAIK no mail is accessible only on the web interface.
My opinion is that all the joining by email instructions are wrong and the only way to join is using the web form. That does work as I've done it. Now I need to work out how to unsubscribe ... :)
unsubscribe: <LISTNAME-leave@lists.opensuse.org>. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
I have written a warning note on both wiki pages. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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