[opensuse] Thunderbird password nuisance.
Hi, I have a nuisance in Thunderbird. When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails. I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up. Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos, On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 14:37 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
That would be a very bad thing to do (TM). Reason is that if you're with a provide or company with a policy to only allow three (or however many) tries before you locked out, and you're also forced to change password periodically, guess what's going to happen.... Probably better to find out why it fails the first time, unfortunately I am not the right person for that job.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1)
Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Magnus Boman wrote:
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
That would be a very bad thing to do (TM). Reason is that if you're with a provide or company with a policy to only allow three (or however many) tries before you locked out, and you're also forced to change password periodically, guess what's going to happen.... Probably better to find out why it fails the first time, unfortunately I am not the right person for that job.
I know why it fails: while I type my master password the remote server times out, probably because it thinks I'm a human and not a machine. Or something of the sort. Not important. What you say about changing passwords is not a problem at all: we could change it manually in the configuration instead. I just don't want to be prompted for the password. I want it to remember the password even if it fails, and let me decide if I want to type a new password. Linux style, not windows style :-P Ie, I want the configuration box to have: server _______ login _______ (*) remember password password ________ ( ) prompt for password on failure -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 15:00 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Magnus Boman wrote:
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
That would be a very bad thing to do (TM). Reason is that if you're with a provide or company with a policy to only allow three (or however many) tries before you locked out, and you're also forced to change password periodically, guess what's going to happen.... Probably better to find out why it fails the first time, unfortunately I am not the right person for that job.
I know why it fails: while I type my master password the remote server times out, probably because it thinks I'm a human and not a machine. Or something of the sort. Not important.
What you say about changing passwords is not a problem at all: we could change it manually in the configuration instead. I just don't want to be prompted for the password. I want it to remember the password even if it fails, and let me decide if I want to type a new password.
Linux style, not windows style :-P
Ie, I want the configuration box to have:
server _______ login _______ (*) remember password password ________ ( ) prompt for password on failure
How many people out there would understand that? I bet that most would check "Remember password" and they'd be locked out of their system before they know it. Has got NOTHING to do with Windows vs Linux.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1)
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Magnus Boman wrote:
What you say about changing passwords is not a problem at all: we could change it manually in the configuration instead. I just don't want to be prompted for the password. I want it to remember the password even if it fails, and let me decide if I want to type a new password.
Linux style, not windows style :-P
Ie, I want the configuration box to have:
server _______ login _______ (*) remember password password ________ ( ) prompt for password on failure
How many people out there would understand that? I bet that most would check "Remember password" and they'd be locked out of their system before they know it.
No, they would get a message box saying "failed; is password correct?" perhaps with a button for retyping password.
Has got NOTHING to do with Windows vs Linux.
Yes, because in Linux I'm the boss of my system. In windows HE is the boss. I want to have configurations keep, like postfix, apache, pine, etc. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Magnus Boman wrote:
Carlos,
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 14:37 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
<snip>
That would be a very bad thing to do (TM). Reason is that if you're with a provide or company with a policy to only allow three (or however many) tries before you locked out, and you're also forced to change password periodically, guess what's going to happen.... Probably better to find out why it fails the first time, unfortunately I am not the right person for that job.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1)
Cheers, Magnus
Have you tried configuring postfix to connect to the smtp server and configuring thunderbird to use localhost as the the smtp server. Postfix will deal with the password sending in the background... I believe you can also configure postfix to adjust to just what you need to connect to according what you are connecting on... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFG9mOlasN0sSnLmgIRAgkxAJQLS+0sji8/KaNDgTN1wsUXD8vtAKDG71KM a1CKRTyx6ZShj8ruxcENvA== =5shH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
Have you tried configuring postfix to connect to the smtp server and configuring thunderbird to use localhost as the the smtp server. Postfix will deal with the password sending in the background... I believe you can also configure postfix to adjust to just what you need to connect to according what you are connecting on...
Yes, but that would not improve Thunderbird usability. I do that in my normal setup, but this is a secondary setup I'm using for testing RC1. Plus, I normally use Thunderbird to bypass my system config. Plus again, that would require me to test and configure postfix in RC1 before having list mail running ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
Let's see if I can (possibly) clear things up here. Everytime you call your ISP for mail TB has to send your username and the password you use for that account. Occasionally, things go bad at the ISP end and when a connection is made you are asked to send the password - it's happened to me a number of times so I don't worry about now. Now, when you are asked if you want to STORE/REMEMBER the password, it is TB which is asking this question so that it can automacally send it on the next logo-on. But in order for this to occur you have to select/tick the option to always remember this password and to store it (in TB) - if you don't then you will have to type the pswd at the next (and subsequent) log-on. The password(s) which TB uses are stored in Edit/Preferences/Privacy/Passwords and there is an option to Edit Saved Passwords. Here you will also find the Master Password, which I don't bother with but your mileage may vary. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Let's see if I can (possibly) clear things up here.
Everytime you call your ISP for mail TB has to send your username and the password you use for that account. Occasionally, things go bad at the ISP end and when a connection is made you are asked to send the password - it's happened to me a number of times so I don't worry about now.
Now, when you are asked if you want to STORE/REMEMBER the password, it is TB which is asking this question so that it can automacally send it on the next logo-on. But in order for this to occur you have to select/tick the option to always remember this password and to store it (in TB) - if you don't then you will have to type the pswd at the next (and subsequent) log-on.
I know that, and I do, and I did. The problem is that, if the already stored password fails, or the connection fails, or whatever, it asks me to retype my smtp password because HE thinks it is wrong, which it isn't. I could ask: "retry, cancel, retype password?" instead. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 23 September 2007 08:38:33 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Let's see if I can (possibly) clear things up here.
Everytime you call your ISP for mail TB has to send your username and the password you use for that account. Occasionally, things go bad at the ISP end and when a connection is made you are asked to send the password - it's happened to me a number of times so I don't worry about now.
Now, when you are asked if you want to STORE/REMEMBER the password, it is TB which is asking this question so that it can automacally send it on the next logo-on. But in order for this to occur you have to select/tick the option to always remember this password and to store it (in TB) - if you don't then you will have to type the pswd at the next (and subsequent) log-on.
I know that, and I do, and I did.
The problem is that, if the already stored password fails, or the connection fails, or whatever, it asks me to retype my smtp password because HE thinks it is wrong, which it isn't.
I could ask: "retry, cancel, retype password?" instead.
It is good as enhancement request in Mozilla bugzilla.
Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1)
-- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi,
On 9/23/07, Carlos E. R.
I know that, and I do, and I did.
The problem is that, if the already stored password fails, or the connection fails, or whatever, it asks me to retype my smtp password because HE thinks it is wrong, which it isn't.
I could ask: "retry, cancel, retype password?" instead.
Probably TB has common mechanism with Firefox. I'm suffering from this "feature" all the time (in Windows though). At office I'm behind the corporate firewall that requires proxy authentication. I guess, they are using 2 levels of protection (not sure, it is indicated in authentication dialog as "realm"). I keep my proxy user name and password for both realms in FF, protected by master password. From time to time suddenly authentication dialog pops up, though FF worked fine the whole day long. If at this time I'll look into the list of stored passwords, I see that the password is removed there and I have to type it in again. If I'm not at my desk, I often find 20-30 authentication request dialogs... In your case you at least know why password fails (smpt timeout). I guess that in my case it could be some racing (I have gmail and some news site opened, weather plugin, and they "push" the content), but not sure how to find out the reason. I would definitely prefer FF not to decide by itself why authentication failed and let me chose how to continue. -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/23/2007 08:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
It is a setting. You control the settings for your system.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. You can control this with Preferences, Privacy, Passwords, and uncheck Use a Master password to encrypt stored passwords. This is a security feature, but if you do not want it, that is your choice. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
Easily fixed by correctly configuring your smtp settings in Account Settings. Username and password are easily entered there.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? Because you did not fill it in. He already knows that! It knows you need it because the smtp server requires it, it knows you did not provide it, and you complain it asks you to do something you may have forgotten to do? Must be a bad day Carlos This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, Yes, that is what it does when it stores your password. even if it fails? No. If it fails, the server asks for a correct password, which after
No you don't. Enter them in the Settings for the correct smtp server. the entered one fails, it only passes on to the user. That is the correct thing for it to do.
I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. Then you may in Account Settings, Outgoing Servers (SMTP). I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
If it is correct, it will not ask and it will not fail. If it fails, then it is not correct and has to be corrected. I don't believe it saves a password until it is accepted and works the initial time. HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
On 09/23/2007 08:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
Easily fixed by correctly configuring your smtp settings in Account Settings. Username and password are easily entered there.
Wrong. Username can be entered, not password. Look for yourself.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? Because you did not fill it in.
I did.
He already knows that! It knows you need it because the smtp server requires it, it knows you did not provide it, and you complain it asks you to do something you may have forgotten to do? Must be a bad day Carlos
No, Joe, no. I have observed this behavior for months. I did provide it, I have connected other days, and every time is the same thing. Yes, I always select "remember password", via master password.
This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
No you don't. Enter them in the Settings for the correct smtp server.
There is no password entry box in the smtp server definition box. Look again. Only username.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, Yes, that is what it does when it stores your password. even if it fails? No. If it fails, the server asks for a correct password, which after the entered one fails, it only passes on to the user. That is the correct thing for it to do.
It is asking for the password, which it already has. I want it to retry, not to ask for my password. He thinks it is wrong, I know it is correct.
I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. Then you may in Account Settings, Outgoing Servers (SMTP).
No, I may not. It is not there. Look for your self.
I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
If it is correct, it will not ask and it will not fail. If it fails, then it is not correct and has to be corrected. I don't believe it saves a password until it is accepted and works the initial time. HTH.
It fails for different reasons that make he thinks it is wrong. I know better. I know better because it connected in the previous session. Sequence (from memory): 1 send 2 asks for master password. I type it. 3 server timeout and gives error. 4 Thund. ask for smtp passwd. I look it up ant paste it. 5 server fails (another timeout). 6 send 7 Thund. ask for smtp passwd 8 I paste password fast, request it to remember. 9 success. 10 send, sucess, till I close Thund. Next day: same as above. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote: [pruned]
It fails for different reasons that make he thinks it is wrong. I know better.
I know better because it connected in the previous session.
Sequence (from memory):
1 send 2 asks for master password. I type it.
DROP this Master Password - this is your problem. Read the ref I gave you where the password(s) is edited. There is a specific reference to the Master Password which has to be entered "once per session".
3 server timeout and gives error. 4 Thund. ask for smtp passwd. I look it up ant paste it. 5 server fails (another timeout). 6 send 7 Thund. ask for smtp passwd 8 I paste password fast, request it to remember. 9 success. 10 send, sucess, till I close Thund.
Next day: same as above.
Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
1 send 2 asks for master password. I type it.
DROP this Master Password - this is your problem.
Read the ref I gave you where the password(s) is edited. There is a specific reference to the Master Password which has to be entered "once per session".
If I remove the master password, then anybody can see my stored passwords by the procedure you mention. That's a no-no. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
1 send 2 asks for master password. I type it.
DROP this Master Password - this is your problem.
Read the ref I gave you where the password(s) is edited. There is a specific reference to the Master Password which has to be entered "once per session".
If I remove the master password, then anybody can see my stored passwords by the procedure you mention. That's a no-no.
Don't you Lock Session when you walk away from your computer while it is switched on? Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-24 at 10:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
If I remove the master password, then anybody can see my stored passwords by the procedure you mention. That's a no-no.
Don't you Lock Session when you walk away from your computer while it is switched on?
Of course I do. But I'm more paranoid than that. I even keep my pgp keys inside an encrypted partition. :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG9xy1tTMYHG2NR9URAjmYAJsFzpLkpQubCp1iQPmGUdNoJsmv1QCglxT6 TVZPM2dJeknE9tNuamm6nKk= =Q/Ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2007-09-24 at 10:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
If I remove the master password, then anybody can see my stored passwords by the procedure you mention. That's a no-no.
Don't you Lock Session when you walk away from your computer while it is switched on?
Of course I do. But I'm more paranoid than that. I even keep my pgp keys inside an encrypted partition.
:-P You mean you also stop at a mirror to see if you are following yourself? NOW that is what I call paranoia! :-)
Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/23/2007 09:51 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Easily fixed by correctly configuring your smtp settings in Account Settings. Username and password are easily entered there.
Wrong. Username can be entered, not password. Look for yourself.
Sorry, you are correct, it is only the username that gets entered there. Password is entered first time it is used, if it is successful. IIRC, when it fails, it prompts but does not remove the old one (but IIRC, it does uncheck the Save this Password in the Password manager checkbox). If you know it is correct, you can just recheck to save and hit Enter. If you just hit Enter, it retries it but no longer saves it. I have used Thunderbird for years, using Mozilla Messenger before that, and I don't remember having the problem you address. I still believe it is under your control. And if your SMTP server timeout while waiting for you to type in your Master Password, you really have smtp server problems. I would not blame the client.
It is asking for the password, which it already has. I want it to retry, not to ask for my password. He thinks it is wrong, I know it is correct.
I believe that effectively it does retry with the same password if you click to save the password and hit enter, AND it works. If it still fails, it will prompt again. If it does not work, I believe it will wipe out the stored password unless you cancel.
Then you may in Account Settings, Outgoing Servers (SMTP).
No, I may not. It is not there. Look for your self.
You are correct. I was wrong. My advice was bogus. Sorry.
It fails for different reasons that make he thinks it is wrong.
IIANM, it thinks it is wrong based on the server response.
I know better.
I know better because it connected in the previous session.
Then you should choose to either cancel, which basically stops everything in that transaction, or hit save and Enter, which resubmits the original and saves if it succeeds.
Sequence (from memory):
1 send 2 asks for master password. I type it. 3 server timeout and gives error.
Unless you left your computer, that is ridiculously short.
4 Thund. ask for smtp passwd. I look it up ant paste it.
Isn't it still there, though highlighted to be replaced?
5 server fails (another timeout).
I believe the server has to give the client an error code from which it determines its responses. If it prompts for the password, then IIANM that is the error code sent to it by your smtp server.
6 send 7 Thund. ask for smtp passwd
Since the previous attempt failed.
8 I paste password fast, request it to remember. 9 success. 10 send, sucess, till I close Thund.
Next day: same as above.
Are you saying it does not remember the password the next day, or a failure causes it to prompt for the correct one? -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 23 September 2007 07:37:57 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails? I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
Kmail with KWallet has no problems. I just checked with 'netstat -ct' and it calls mail server after it get mail account password from KWallet. That prevents timeout. Can you do the same with Thunderbird? -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
Kmail with KWallet has no problems. I just checked with 'netstat -ct' and it calls mail server after it get mail account password from KWallet. That prevents timeout.
Can you do the same with Thunderbird?
I don't think Thunderbird can use KWwalet. The real problem is that when it thinks there is a problem with the password - some of the servers give confusing error messages that may make the client think there is a password problem - it doesn't give us the option to try again or cancel without changing the password. I simply deletes the old pass asks for it. And from another lister's email we know that firefox does similar things. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
It can't be a timeout unless you need a very long time to enter your master password. If you didn't store your SMTP password, then you would have to enter it (instead of your TB master password) each time you want to send emails, and the provider must allow for some time to do so.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
The reason for this is most likely that your provider had a database problem and the password was rejected (I experienced it with my provider as well, but rarely). In this case, TB asks you for a new SMTP password since it came to the conclusion that the stored one was wrong - from TB's point of view, it does not make sense to ask you for the master password again or to offer a "retry" button under these circumstances.
Is there a way to make Thunderbird remember my password for ever and not ask for it again, even if it fails?
It depends on how it fails. When there's a network problem, TB does not ask you again. It's your provider's server that most likely returned an error code indicating that the password was wrong or failed.
I want to be able to enter the password in the configuration, not as a pop up when I want to send or receive. I do not want to be asked again if it fails, because once configured the password it keeps being correct.
As a workaround, press the "Cancel" button when TB asks for the SMTP password (there might some other windows popping up, just "Cancel" all these windows). Once the windows are gone, try to connect again ("Get Mail") and at that time, TB will remember your stored password. If the problem at the provider's end was only temporarily, it should now work. Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-23 at 20:48 +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a nuisance in Thunderbird.
When I try to send an email via my provider smtp server, it discovers it needs a password and asks for my master password. I type it, but by this time the smtp session timed out in the server (I guess) and fails.
It can't be a timeout unless you need a very long time to enter your master password. If you didn't store your SMTP password, then you would have to enter it (instead of your TB master password) each time you want to send emails, and the provider must allow for some time to do so.
I try again, and this time Th. asks for my smtp password and whether I want to keep it. Why? He already knows that! This is a nuisance, because I use random passwords difficult to remember and have look it up.
The reason for this is most likely that your provider had a database problem and the password was rejected (I experienced it with my provider as well, but rarely). In this case, TB asks you for a new SMTP password since it came to the conclusion that the stored one was wrong - from TB's point of view, it does not make sense to ask you for the master password again or to offer a "retry" button under these circumstances.
You could be right. Unfortunately, thunderbird doesn't write logs. Well, I saw an error console this night, but there was nothing there.
As a workaround, press the "Cancel" button when TB asks for the SMTP password (there might some other windows popping up, just "Cancel" all these windows). Once the windows are gone, try to connect again ("Get Mail") and at that time, TB will remember your stored password. If the problem at the provider's end was only temporarily, it should now work.
Might work. I'll try to remember that next time I use thunderbird ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG9uz8tTMYHG2NR9URAhBfAJ0d+xO/W/YAjqAhIpxjOxlPBpRnfACfXOgN NRGNK6zWzuWynRAW4VzoKvo= =ChBX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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