[opensuse] OpenSUSE updater
I would very much like to hear more from the SUSE developers on their future plans to resolve the many issues raised in this forum about the slowness and other issues of the Updater mechanism. For example: A) Do we have a buy in from the developers that the issues are real and worthy of fixing? B) That the mechanism is way to slow often taking an hour or tmore to install one rpm C) That the current mechanism hides the complexity of the process from the user not providing good feedback as to what is happening. Maybe this is ok, but when things go wrong most people don't know what to do. D) If design changes or major fixes are going to take place in a future release would the developers be willing to provide us with some hopeful words describing what they intend to do. Cheers, Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Robert Lewis
I would very much like to hear more from the SUSE developers on their future plans to resolve the many issues raised in this forum about the slowness and other issues of the Updater mechanism.
Do you speak about opensuse-updater or zen-updater?
For example: A) Do we have a buy in from the developers that the issues are real and worthy of fixing?
Which issues exactly? I know of some but I'll not sign up to this generic statement.
B) That the mechanism is way to slow often taking an hour or tmore to install one rpm
It's too slow -and this is one of the areas we will work for 10.3 on.
C) That the current mechanism hides the complexity of the process from the user not providing good feedback as to what is happening. Maybe this is ok, but when things go wrong most people don't know what to do.
Do you have an example?
D) If design changes or major fixes are going to take place in a future release would the developers be willing to provide us with some hopeful words describing what they intend to do.
Btw. one of the developers will talk at FOSDEM about this: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/opensuse_zypp "In this talk this technologies will be presented among the current integration of them into the products, the problems faced during the transition and the current roadmap for the future releases.", Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Friday 16 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Btw. one of the developers will talk at FOSDEM about this: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/opensuse_zypp "In this talk this technologies will be presented among the current integration of them into the products, the problems faced during the transition and the current roadmap for the future releases.",
Will he have bodyguards? ;-) -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen
On Friday 16 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Btw. one of the developers will talk at FOSDEM about this: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/opensuse_zypp "In this talk this technologies will be presented among the current integration of them into the products, the problems faced during the transition and the current roadmap for the future releases.",
Will he have bodyguards? ;-)
He's the one fixing the problems - not introducing them. So, he shouldn't need them ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Friday 16 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
C) That the current mechanism hides the complexity of the process from the user not providing good feedback as to what is happening. Maybe this is ok, but when things go wrong most people don't know what to do.
Do you have an example?
What color is the sky on your planet Andreas? This list has been full of such examples. Virtually any time zen-updater coughs up an error and can not complete the process most users are in trouble and have to start searching for solutions, either on this list or via google. Just go to the archives and search on "updater" only in the english list and only in the last 3 months. You will have plenty of reading. For a specific example of such a situation, considder: Who wrote the dreaded error message: "Resolvable id xxxxxx does not exist." That man needs a trip to the wood-shed. (It had to be a man, no female programmer would be so arrogant or dumb as to leave no clue, and no way to find a clue about what package required xxxxxx or how to fix the problem). -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen
On Friday 16 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
C) That the current mechanism hides the complexity of the process from the user not providing good feedback as to what is happening. Maybe this is ok, but when things go wrong most people don't know what to do.
Do you have an example?
What color is the sky on your planet Andreas?
The original message was so foggy that I needed at least one ;-)
This list has been full of such examples.
Virtually any time zen-updater coughs up an error and can not complete the process most users are in trouble and have to start searching for solutions, either on this list or via google.
Just go to the archives and search on "updater" only in the english list and only in the last 3 months. You will have plenty of reading.
For a specific example of such a situation, considder:
Who wrote the dreaded error message: "Resolvable id xxxxxx does not exist." That man needs a trip to the wood-shed. (It had to be a man, no female programmer would be so arrogant or dumb as to leave no clue, and no way to find a clue about what package required xxxxxx or how to fix the problem).
Thanks, now I understand what is meant - and agree, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Saturday 17 February 2007 08:20, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
A) Do we have a buy in from the developers that the issues are real and worthy of fixing?
Which issues exactly? I know of some but I'll not sign up to this generic statement.
Generally it works about few days in a row before you can see that bloody icon has disappeared, again. Then, after you shake&bake it, it may or may not come back up. Sometimes rczmd start claims that it started (status seems to confirm) and at the same time zen-updater claims exact opposite. I have yet to see this thing REALLY work so that you could actually COUNT ON it. So much for the 'enterprise' part :/ -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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