Re: [opensuse] Laptop recommendation
On 17 July 2012 12:56:43 Dsant wrote:
On Tuesday July 17 2012 12:27:12 Lívio Cipriano wrote:
Hi,
I want to buy a laptop, preference with 17" screen. Any recommendations(s)?
Regards
Lívio Cipriano
I bought Asus 6 month ago, I am very very happy of hardware (under Opensuse 12.1, original software Ubuntu was buggy).
This is not 17", but have a look, 239€ :
http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Ordinateurs/Ordinateur-Portable/Netbook/ASUS/487 4221-Eee-PC-R051CX-WHI001U-Netbook-10-1-Intel-Atom-N2600-1-6-GHz-320-Go-RAM- 2048-Mo-Intel-HD-Graphics-Linux-Ubuntu-Blanc.htm
Dsant
I'm looking for a more "professional" laptop. Definitively one with a Intel i7. Anyway thanks for your suggestion. Lívio -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/07/12 12:55, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
On 17 July 2012 12:56:43 Dsant wrote:
On Tuesday July 17 2012 12:27:12 Lívio Cipriano wrote:
Hi,
I want to buy a laptop, preference with 17" screen. Any recommendations(s)?
Regards
Lívio Cipriano I bought Asus 6 month ago, I am very very happy of hardware (under Opensuse 12.1, original software Ubuntu was buggy).
This is not 17", but have a look, 239€ :
http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Ordinateurs/Ordinateur-Portable/Netbook/ASUS/487 4221-Eee-PC-R051CX-WHI001U-Netbook-10-1-Intel-Atom-N2600-1-6-GHz-320-Go-RAM- 2048-Mo-Intel-HD-Graphics-Linux-Ubuntu-Blanc.htm
Dsant I'm looking for a more "professional" laptop. Definitively one with a Intel i7.
Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
Lívio
Check out the "new" Dell Inspiron 17R. http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-17r-5720/pd.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=m You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only, so no Optimus problems. Memory up to 8Gb (but people reported that 16Gb works as well), dual HDDs. The only problems I see with it is that a) the max resolution is 1600x900, and to get full hd one need to got for the 17R "Special Edition" which is only available with NVidia Geforce 650M with Optimus technology, and b) amazingly, it only has a 100Mbit etherner card - no gigabit ... -- Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17 July 2012 13:41:12 Vadym Krevs wrote:
You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only
Do you know if that works well. Traditionally it's better to have a dedicated graphics chip. L. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Lívio Cipriano <lcmail4lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 July 2012 13:41:12 Vadym Krevs wrote:
You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only
Do you know if that works well. Traditionally it's better to have a dedicated graphics chip.
What do you want to do? Play games or use the laptop for desktop applications? If games are not a consideration, then the Intel HD cards are more than enough in my experience. You may have to turn off desktop effects, other than that, they are OK cards. I you want high end graphics then a standard nVidia Mobile video card (without Optimus) is what I look for. C. -- openSUSE 12.1 x86_64, KDE 4.8.4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 Jul 2012 17:27:39 C wrote:
What do you want to do? Play games or use the laptop for desktop applications? If games are not a consideration, then the Intel HD cards are more than enough in my experience. You may have to turn off desktop effects, other than that, they are OK cards.
I've never had a performance problem with the Sandy Bridge i7's integrated graphics (HD3000?) with desktop effects (driving 2 monitors, as well) in my ThinkPad X220, FWIW. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/07/12 15:34, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
On 17 July 2012 13:41:12 Vadym Krevs wrote:
You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only Do you know if that works well. Traditionally it's better to have a dedicated graphics chip.
L.
It is better of course, especially if long battery life, low heat & noise emissions are not that important for you. Apparently, the integrated video card in ivy bridge chipset - HD 4000 - is a bit faster than the one from sandy bridge chipset. An Nvidia 6xx video card (or a dedicated recent AMD card) would still outperform it of course. I am looking for a 17'' full hd laptop to run opensuse myself, and here is my take on the UK laptop market after several weeks of research: * Most laptops have some kind of switchable graphics technology in them (NVIDIA Optimus or AMD's Enduro, etc) * Linux support for NVIDIA Optimus is fairly poor (please don't say that bumblebee is usable ...) * Linux support for AMD switchable graphics is okayish (via the AMD Catalyst driver) * Only high-end gaming/3D laptops (and CAD mobile workstations) have dedicated NVIDIA/AMD video cards without Optimus/switchable graphics, and they cost an arm and a leg, and are usually noisy, and/or have overheating problems * The vast majority of "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptops have an NVIDIA video card with Optimus which cannot be turned off in BIOS * The only "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptop with an AMD video card I can find in UK is the Sony VAIO E Series 17 (http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Sony_VAIO_E17_17.3_Full_HD_Core_i7_Blu-Ray_La...), and there are no reports of anyone having managed to install Linux on that. * There don't seem to be any full hd 17'' laptops with integrated graphics only So, as you can see, it is not an easy decision to find a full hd 17'' laptop to run Linux. Let us know what you end up buying and how successful you end up in installing opensuse on it :-) -- Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/07/12 16:28, Vadym Krevs wrote:
On 17/07/12 15:34, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
On 17 July 2012 13:41:12 Vadym Krevs wrote:
You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only Do you know if that works well. Traditionally it's better to have a dedicated graphics chip.
L.
It is better of course, especially if long battery life, low heat & noise emissions are not that important for you. Apparently, the integrated video card in ivy bridge chipset - HD 4000 - is a bit faster than the one from sandy bridge chipset. An Nvidia 6xx video card (or a dedicated recent AMD card) would still outperform it of course.
I am looking for a 17'' full hd laptop to run opensuse myself, and here is my take on the UK laptop market after several weeks of research:
* Most laptops have some kind of switchable graphics technology in them (NVIDIA Optimus or AMD's Enduro, etc)
* Linux support for NVIDIA Optimus is fairly poor (please don't say that bumblebee is usable ...)
* Linux support for AMD switchable graphics is okayish (via the AMD Catalyst driver)
* Only high-end gaming/3D laptops (and CAD mobile workstations) have dedicated NVIDIA/AMD video cards without Optimus/switchable graphics, and they cost an arm and a leg, and are usually noisy, and/or have overheating problems
* The vast majority of "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptops have an NVIDIA video card with Optimus which cannot be turned off in BIOS
* The only "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptop with an AMD video card I can find in UK is the Sony VAIO E Series 17 (http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Sony_VAIO_E17_17.3_Full_HD_Core_i7_Blu-Ray_La...), and there are no reports of anyone having managed to install Linux on that.
* There don't seem to be any full hd 17'' laptops with integrated graphics only
So, as you can see, it is not an easy decision to find a full hd 17'' laptop to run Linux. Let us know what you end up buying and how successful you end up in installing opensuse on it :-)
I ended up buying the 17-inch Sony Vaio with the same specs as above. Ivy Bridge quad core i7 cpu, 8 Gb RAM, AMD Radeon HD 7650M video card, backlit keyboard. It was with some trepidation that I removed the hdd from the old Dell Studio 1737 with openSUSE 12.1/x86_64 and inserted it into the Vaio. Booted into runlevel 3, did a full update via zypper (including the latest 12.8 catalyst driver from http://linux.ioda.net/mirror/ati/openSUSE_12.1/), rebooted and switched to runlevel 5. To my great relief, everything worked, including keyboard backlight and function keys such as volume control, etc. There was no need to edit any config files, or reconfigure anything via Yast. It seems that Sony simply disabled switchable graphics in this model, and thus the catalyst driver has no problems detecting and using the discrete video card. The fans are barely audible, and in fact seem quieter than on the old Dell Studio laptop. The only minor glitch I have discovered so far is the well known issue with the r8169 kernel driver for the Realtek RTL8111/8168B gigabit adapter described here http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Realtek_8169_driver_problem along with 3 workarounds. If you choose to use wifi instead of wired ethernet, then this is not an issue. So if anyone's still looking for a modern desktop replacement laptop to run openSUSE on, I highly recommend the Sony Vaio E series 17. -- Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012/8/31 Vadym Krevs <vkrevs@serena.com>
On 17/07/12 16:28, Vadym Krevs wrote:
On 17/07/12 15:34, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
On 17 July 2012 13:41:12 Vadym Krevs wrote:
You can get an ivy bridge i7 with integrated graphics only
Do you know if that works well. Traditionally it's better to have a dedicated graphics chip.
L.
It is better of course, especially if long battery life, low heat & noise emissions are not that important for you. Apparently, the integrated video card in ivy bridge chipset - HD 4000 - is a bit faster than the one from sandy bridge chipset. An Nvidia 6xx video card (or a dedicated recent AMD card) would still outperform it of course.
I am looking for a 17'' full hd laptop to run opensuse myself, and here is my take on the UK laptop market after several weeks of research:
* Most laptops have some kind of switchable graphics technology in them (NVIDIA Optimus or AMD's Enduro, etc)
* Linux support for NVIDIA Optimus is fairly poor (please don't say that bumblebee is usable ...)
* Linux support for AMD switchable graphics is okayish (via the AMD Catalyst driver)
* Only high-end gaming/3D laptops (and CAD mobile workstations) have dedicated NVIDIA/AMD video cards without Optimus/switchable graphics, and they cost an arm and a leg, and are usually noisy, and/or have overheating problems
* The vast majority of "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptops have an NVIDIA video card with Optimus which cannot be turned off in BIOS
* The only "desktop replacement/high-end multimedia" 17'' full hd laptop with an AMD video card I can find in UK is the Sony VAIO E Series 17 (http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Sony_VAIO_E17_17.3_Full_HD_Core_i7_Blu-Ray_La...), and there are no reports of anyone having managed to install Linux on that.
* There don't seem to be any full hd 17'' laptops with integrated graphics only
So, as you can see, it is not an easy decision to find a full hd 17'' laptop to run Linux. Let us know what you end up buying and how successful you end up in installing opensuse on it :-)
I ended up buying the 17-inch Sony Vaio with the same specs as above. Ivy Bridge quad core i7 cpu, 8 Gb RAM, AMD Radeon HD 7650M video card, backlit keyboard. It was with some trepidation that I removed the hdd from the old Dell Studio 1737 with openSUSE 12.1/x86_64 and inserted it into the Vaio. Booted into runlevel 3, did a full update via zypper (including the latest 12.8 catalyst driver from http://linux.ioda.net/mirror/ati/openSUSE_12.1/), rebooted and switched to runlevel 5. To my great relief, everything worked, including keyboard backlight and function keys such as volume control, etc. There was no need to edit any config files, or reconfigure anything via Yast. It seems that Sony simply disabled switchable graphics in this model, and thus the catalyst driver has no problems detecting and using the discrete video card. The fans are barely audible, and in fact seem quieter than on the old Dell Studio laptop.
The only minor glitch I have discovered so far is the well known issue with the r8169 kernel driver for the Realtek RTL8111/8168B gigabit adapter described here http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Realtek_8169_driver_problem along with 3 workarounds. If you choose to use wifi instead of wired ethernet, then this is not an issue.
So if anyone's still looking for a modern desktop replacement laptop to run openSUSE on, I highly recommend the Sony Vaio E series 17.
-- Regards, Vadym
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Just make sure it doesn't come with the Intel Centrino wireless-n 1030 chip. I have had to stop using linux because of that crappy wifi thing :( -- Hernán Thiers Garcia Ingeniero Informático Santiago, Chile. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 12:55 +0100, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
On 17 July 2012 12:56:43 Dsant wrote:
On Tuesday July 17 2012 12:27:12 Lívio Cipriano wrote:
Hi,
I want to buy a laptop, preference with 17" screen. Any recommendations(s)?
Regards
Lívio Cipriano
I bought Asus 6 month ago, I am very very happy of hardware (under Opensuse 12.1, original software Ubuntu was buggy).
This is not 17", but have a look, 239€ :
http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Ordinateurs/Ordinateur-Portable/Netbook/ASUS/487 4221-Eee-PC-R051CX-WHI001U-Netbook-10-1-Intel-Atom-N2600-1-6-GHz-320-Go-RAM- 2048-Mo-Intel-HD-Graphics-Linux-Ubuntu-Blanc.htm
Dsant
I'm looking for a more "professional" laptop. Definitively one with a Intel i7.
I would advise to stay clear away from HP8560w and alike. Not only regarding video, but quality in general. we ordered a dozen of them and within 6 months got 100% failures all mobo had to be replaced. Sure, it is within guarentee period, but all the hassle causing it.. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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