I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!). Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ?? What a bewildering list of choices!!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 09:32:10 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade and be aware of http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548089 if you did a clean install of 11.2. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/2009 1:00 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 09:32:10 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade and be aware of
I'm confused, thats a web page, and not a repository. It doesn't have a reference to 11.2 package, only 11.1.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548089 if you did a clean install of 11.2.
Yes, clean install from the DVD image. Nasty little item. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 10:30:36 schrieb John Andersen:
On 11/14/2009 1:00 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 09:32:10 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade and be aware of
I'm confused, thats a web page, and not a repository.
It doesn't have a reference to 11.2 package, only 11.1.
Indeed, it's a howto and one would have to replace the 11.1 by 11.2. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday November 14 2009 3:57:49 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Indeed, it's a howto and one would have to replace the 11.1 by 11.2.
Sven
Is that part of the wiki? If so, why don't we either edit the page or (if we're lazy) make a copy of it and change the release digit to a different page. That'd be sinfully lazy, wouldn't it? Anyway, I'll do it if no one else does. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 15. November 2009 03:14:31 schrieb Constantinos Galilei:
On Saturday November 14 2009 3:57:49 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Indeed, it's a howto and one would have to replace the 11.1 by 11.2.
Is that part of the wiki? If so, why don't we either edit the page or (if we're lazy) make a copy of it and change the release digit to a different page. That'd be sinfully lazy, wouldn't it?
The "problem" is that you would have to check first whether this really works with a clean 11.2 installation, since there were some changes around zypper and vendor change. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ?? IMHO "KDE Factory Development (KDE 4.3 + Patches)" would be the best for you.
Kind regards, Sebastian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 10:01:31 schrieb Sebastian Gibb:
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
IMHO "KDE Factory Development (KDE 4.3 + Patches)" would be the best for you.
Factory will become KDE 4.4 which is not even beta yet soon. So it's not recommendable unless one follows the development of the KDE repos closely. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS... and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.2... But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/ Greets Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/2009 1:36 AM, Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS...
and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.2...
The two above are 4.3.1.
But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/
Ah, that one looks like its full of 4.3.3 packages, That might be the ticket. Thanks... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/2009 1:44 AM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/14/2009 1:36 AM, Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS...
and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.2...
The two above are 4.3.1.
But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/
Ah, that one looks like its full of 4.3.3 packages, That might be the ticket.
Thanks...
And by the way, my Mom would have exactly ZERO chance of figuring out how to get KDE 4.3.3 on her freshly installed OpenSUSE 11.2. Zip. Nada. No way. One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 10:57:07 schrieb John Andersen:
On 11/14/2009 1:44 AM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/14/2009 1:36 AM, Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/ope nSUSE_11.2/
and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_ 11.2/
The two above are 4.3.1.
But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/
Ah, that one looks like its full of 4.3.3 packages, That might be the ticket.
Thanks...
And by the way, my Mom would have exactly ZERO chance of figuring out how to get KDE 4.3.3 on her freshly installed OpenSUSE 11.2. Zip. Nada. No way.
One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button.
That's a policy issue, openSUSE would never let its users take that risk that easily. If one is not familiar enough to set-up repos, one should stick to whatever comes on the DVD, anything else is asking for trouble. Bugs that are in the DVD version are fixed (if they get reported) and those patches are submitted to the STABLE repos for testing and after that via the official update repo. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/2009 2:06 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button.
That's a policy issue, openSUSE would never let its users take that risk that easily. If one is not familiar enough to set-up repos, one should stick to whatever comes on the DVD, anything else is asking for trouble. Bugs that are in the DVD version are fixed (if they get reported) and those patches are submitted to the STABLE repos for testing and after that via the official update repo.
Sven
Your policy seems at odds with this page: http://en.opensuse.org/Project_Overview Especially see Goal #1 Make openSUSE the EASIEST Linux distribution for ANYONE to obtain and the most WIDELY used open source platform. You might try installing Kubuntu some time. That one button attached the proper repositories, disabled old or unsuported repositories, and it just worked. PERFECTLY. If you are going to insist that your users know how to attache the proper repositories, you probably don't want to publish a page with 40 of them listed, and which is out of date, and which has descriptions so vague its impossible to tell one from another without surfing the detailed pacakge lists. As for sticking to whats on the DVD, that's a non-starter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button.
Yup, and it works too... never had a fail on my (K)Ubuntu test machines - at least not related to updates like this.
Especially see Goal #1 Make openSUSE the EASIEST Linux distribution for ANYONE to obtain and the most WIDELY used open source platform.
You might try installing Kubuntu some time. That one button attached the proper repositories, disabled old or unsuported repositories, and it just worked. PERFECTLY.
If you are going to insist that your users know how to attache the proper repositories, you probably don't want to publish a page with 40 of them listed, and which is out of date, and which has descriptions so vague its impossible to tell one from another without surfing the detailed pacakge lists.
As for sticking to whats on the DVD, that's a non-starter.
There is a disconnect between what key people in the openSUSE development group think/want and what the generic desktop user wants. There is some valid arguments with "leaving it alone" and sticking ONLY to what's on the DVD. Sadly, this totally misses out on the perceived needs of the user community. Finding a balance between the two isn't easy. Ubuntu has a reputation for being "easy" and it's these things like the whiz bang upgrades that give it the rep. openSUSE has a rep too, but it's not about being easy - openSUSE is known to be reliable at the expense of easy to upgrade. There are efforts being made to get there with things like Wagon, but it's so far from being easy right now that I don't even tell users about it. Im hoping Wagon will become openSUSE's whiz bangh upgrade with 11.3 or 12.0... but that's a loooooong way off right now :-P One thing that really stands out with openSUSE development is that the key devs are so used to the tweaks and fiddling they do with openSUSE that they don't realize or (conveniently) forget that a new user is really not prepared to deal with (nor understand) these things. The result is, valid or not, openSUSE does NOT have the easy to use label. To be fair though, Ubuntu has a similar policy to openSUSE with repsect to supported apps on a release - take OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu for example. The average user running version X of Ubuntu will never get the newest builds of OOo from the Ubuntu repos unless they tinker with their repos - they have to, at the very least, manually add a repo that is a rough equivalent to an openSUSE community factory repo.... and adding a repo in Ubuntu is a major pain compared to the openSUSE 1-Click. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 12:42:48 schrieb Clayton:
To be fair though, Ubuntu has a similar policy to openSUSE with repsect to supported apps on a release - take OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu for example. The average user running version X of Ubuntu will never get the newest builds of OOo from the Ubuntu repos unless they tinker with their repos - they have to, at the very least, manually add a repo that is a rough equivalent to an openSUSE community factory repo.... and adding a repo in Ubuntu is a major pain compared to the openSUSE 1-Click.
Probably because KDE's stability is as important to openSUSE as OO's to Ubuntu. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Probably because KDE's stability is as important to openSUSE as OO's to Ubuntu.
Sven
You must be kidding. If it was true then openSUSE 11.1 would not have come out with KDE4 as default. This thread was also started because of default openSUSE KDE4 is so stable, wasn't it? Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/09, Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> wrote:
Probably because KDE's stability is as important to openSUSE as OO's to Ubuntu.
Sven
You must be kidding. If it was true then openSUSE 11.1 would not have come out with KDE4 as default. This thread was also started because of default openSUSE KDE4 is so stable, wasn't it?
Istvan
I've been using linux since SuSE 6.3/RedHat 6.2. I've tried Corel linux, Debian twice, Mandrake, Xandros, PCQLinux (India), Red Hat 6.2 7.3,8,9, and tried to install Ubuntu 6.04 and 8.10. I bought an Ubuntu 8.04 preinstalled Desktop for a friend and periodically configure/tune it up for him. My two Ubuntu installs were a mess. The last one installed seemingly without a hitch, but when I tried to boot it, it was not listed on the grub boot menu. The only way I could boot it was to use a SuperGrub boot disk. And then it still did not work properly. Admittedly, that was on a custom built desktop with complicated hardwar. But SuSE 11 installed without a hitch. My experience with Mandrake was similar. It would not install properly on one laptop, no matter what I did. Suse installed without problems. I've never had serious disasters with SuSE. I have a Debian Lenny DVD that I'm itching to put on some machine.and I'm sure I'll still try out other distros, but for my day to day work (desktop not server) it's SuSE without question. I think the upgrade issues that have been mentioned need to be better addressed by SuSE, but I do think that it is more reliable than other distros. I think Ubuntu definitely has features that are better for first time users and that's great. But the SuSE installation and Yast, among other features make it edge out the competition. The change to KDE 4 has had a lot of hiccups and I found it unfinished, buggy and hard to use. I've installed SuSE 11 and 11.1 without successfully putting together a KDE 4.x desktop that was easy to manage. But then I installed 11.1 Reloaded and it was smooth and functional. It really made me want to have KDE 4.3 for my daily use. I'm 55% on my download of 11.2 and will put it on my wife's laptop. Cheers, Gustav. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 12:29:30 schrieb John Andersen:
On 11/14/2009 2:06 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button.
That's a policy issue, openSUSE would never let its users take that risk that easily. If one is not familiar enough to set-up repos, one should stick to whatever comes on the DVD, anything else is asking for trouble. Bugs that are in the DVD version are fixed (if they get reported) and those patches are submitted to the STABLE repos for testing and after that via the official update repo.
Sven
Your policy seems at odds with this page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Project_Overview
Especially see Goal #1 Make openSUSE the EASIEST Linux distribution for ANYONE to obtain and the most WIDELY used open source platform.
Not at all. Breaking your system easily is not a goal of openSUSE.
You might try installing Kubuntu some time. That one button attached the proper repositories, disabled old or unsuported repositories, and it just worked. PERFECTLY.
According to the posts I read about the latest *buntu releases I'm not so sure about that. Yet I am as sure as you are about my openSUSE installation. :)
If you are going to insist that your users know how to attache the proper repositories, you probably don't want to publish a page with 40 of them listed, and which is out of date, and which has descriptions so vague its impossible to tell one from another without surfing the detailed pacakge lists.
Users who use other than the official packages do so on their own risk and as long as they do not complain if that breaks their system it is alright. If official packages, i.e. DVD + official update repo, do so, you can complain about openSUSE, otherwise not. Updating is always a risk, if people are willing to take it, fair enough, but they should know what they are doing.
As for sticking to whats on the DVD, that's a non-starter.
See above, if you break your system at some point because of using non- official repos, that's fine, just do not blame it on openSUSE. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/14/2009 04:57 AM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/14/2009 1:44 AM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/14/2009 1:36 AM, Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS...
and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.2...
The two above are 4.3.1.
But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/
Ah, that one looks like its full of 4.3.3 packages, That might be the ticket.
Thanks...
And by the way, my Mom would have exactly ZERO chance of figuring out how to get KDE 4.3.3 on her freshly installed OpenSUSE 11.2. Zip. Nada. No way.
One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button. This is the type of admin. that MUST be in openSUSE IF it is to more widely accepted!! We keep saying it, nicely, but the devs. don't see to want to hear it. 'Hope I'm wrong about that, but so far...........
Fred -- Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, so I have more reliable. I use Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 14/11/09 20:44, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/14/2009 1:36 AM, Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 schrieb John Andersen:
I was astounded to see 11.2 came out with KDE 4.3.1. (It took it exactly 5 minutes to trash my desktop config and create 3 additional activities!).
Since 4.3.3 is officially released, and much more stable (at least in Kubuntu), I'd like to upgrade. Which of the two dozen repositories listed on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories is the correct one to upgrade to 4.3.3 ??
What a bewildering list of choices!!!
For me this one works, and sounds good ;-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS...
and this one http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.2...
The two above are 4.3.1.
But anywhere i have rede that its actually this one, don't know what the different is... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.2/
Ah, that one looks like its full of 4.3.3 packages, That might be the ticket.
Thanks...
After I read this I went and installed 4.3.3 (after adding this last repo to the list). However, when I used zypper (refresh/dup) it came back with "Nothing to do." :-) Solution: give the newly added repo (kde/43/) a lower priority number than the others. Zypper then started "cooking with gas" and I now have 4.3.3 installed and running :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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