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Neil

23 Jan 2008 23 Jan '08

12:22

On 1/23/08, ba wrote:

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post top not do Please Please,

Do you mean I top posted? I am a newb, but I thought top posting was something else. Waht did I do wrong? Neil

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Hello

What is the video card brand? Do they have native linux drivers? Did you install them? Did you try to config it using the native programs? I work with 3 monitors, and noticed Yast isn't simple when it gets to multiple monitors. I ended up modifying some of the xorg.conf file. Then again, my situation is quite complicated due to two vidcards (both Nvidia) and a wacom tablet.

Neil

On 1/18/08, Jesse Shaver wrote:

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad X61 with a dock. and a Samsung SynchMaster 915N 19 inch monitor. the laptop works great, but I can't get it to split the desktop across two screens. I have gone into SaX2 through YaST and my settings are:

Display 1: Intel 965 MG Monitor VESA 1024x768@60 HZ Display 2: Samsung SSYNCHMASTER 1280X1024

Xinerama Multihead is selected for the Dual Head Mode, and the arangement is 2 next to 1.

In this setting it simply clones the built in one (at 1024x768) onto the larger one.

anyone have this working with a similar box/video card?

thanks in advance,

-Jesse

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Donald D Henson

23 Jan 23 Jan

14:10

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

This is an example of top-posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the top of this message. Now scroll all the way down to the bottom of this message to see an example of bottom posting and a longer explanation of posting models. Neil wrote:

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On 1/23/08, ba wrote:

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post top not do Please Please,

Do you mean I top posted? I am a newb, but I thought top posting was something else. Waht did I do wrong? Neil

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Hello

What is the video card brand? Do they have native linux drivers? Did you install them? Did you try to config it using the native programs? I work with 3 monitors, and noticed Yast isn't simple when it gets to multiple monitors. I ended up modifying some of the xorg.conf file. Then again, my situation is quite complicated due to two vidcards (both Nvidia) and a wacom tablet.

Neil

On 1/18/08, Jesse Shaver wrote:

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad X61 with a dock. and a Samsung SynchMaster 915N 19 inch monitor. the laptop works great, but I can't get it to split the desktop across two screens. I have gone into SaX2 through YaST and my settings are:

Display 1: Intel 965 MG Monitor VESA 1024x768@60 HZ Display 2: Samsung SSYNCHMASTER 1280X1024

Xinerama Multihead is selected for the Dual Head Mode, and the arangement is 2 next to 1.

In this setting it simply clones the built in one (at 1024x768) onto the larger one.

anyone have this working with a similar box/video card?

thanks in advance,

-Jesse

This is an example of bottom posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the bottom of the message. Which to use is a subject that takes on an almost religious fervor. Proponents of each posting model (see below) can give dozens of reasons why their model is best. In practice, the solution to which model is used is set by the owner(s) of the list. The owner(s) of this list appear to prefer bottom posting. A couple other things that can get you yelled at on this list is sending html mail and hijacking a thread. Hijacking is changing the topic being discussed without changing the subject line. See the subject line of this reply to see one way to change it. Okay. As promise here's some more info on the posting models, probably more than you want to know. Anyway... ===== How to Post Replies (Originally posted to an online University of Phoenix class.) I have noticed that the postings here keep getting longer and longer, making it difficult to determine who and what is being responded to. A general rule is to edit out those parts that do not relate to your reply. However, there are three response models to choose from. 1. Top Posting - This is where you put your reply at the top of the message with all other earlier replies below. This appears to be the model that UOP prefers. While top posting makes it easier for the person replying, it makes it more difficult for a reader since she has to scroll down to find the message you are replying to. Since the goal is to get your point across, you should make it as easy as possible for readers to figure out your point. 2. Bottom Posting - This is where you put your reply at the bottom of the message with all other earlier replies above. While bottom posting makes it more difficult for the person replying, it makes it easier for the reader, especially if this model is combined with appropriate editing of the message you are replying to. 3. Dispersed Posting - This is where you insert your reply just below the part of the message you are replying to. This may result in several parts of a reply 'dispersed' throughout the message being replied to. This is the most difficult for the person replying since it almost requires editing but it results in better communications since the reader has no problem figuring out what the reply is replying to. While there is no model, there is one more situation that I refer to as 'random' posting. This occurs when some participants in a thread top post, others bottom post, and a third may try to use dispersed posting, all without regard to what has gone before. In these cases, it becomes almost impossible to determine what the latest reply is replying to. Unfortunately, this seems to happen a lot in the UOP forums. So, what do you do in such a situation? The rule I try to follow is to use whatever model was used earlier. In other words, if the first reply is top-posted, then I will top post my reply. If the first reply is bottom posted, I will bottom post my reply. If everyone would follow this rule, the discussions would be much easier to follow. But we cannot control those who will not comply. So, in order to get your point across, it becomes incumbent on you to edit out irrelevant parts of the message you are replying to so that there is no doubt which part you are replying to. Remember that your posts must be substantive in order to count toward participation. If I cannot figure out what you are replying to, I may decide that it is not substantive. Keep this in mind while deciding how to reply. I have tried valiantly to get UOP students to use the bottom-post model with very limited success. The result of these efforts is a decrease in effective communications. I have therefore decided to use the most popular reply model, top posting, in my classroom interactions. ===== Hope this helps. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:35

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-01-23 at 07:10 -0700, Donald D Henson wrote:

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This is an example of bottom posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the bottom of the message. Which to use is a subject that takes on an almost religious fervor.

Proper bottom posting includes removing of superfluous text from the previous post; without doing that it is as bad as top posting.

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A couple other things that can get you yelled at on this list is sending html mail and hijacking a thread. Hijacking is changing the topic being discussed without changing the subject line.

X'-) No, a hijack is attempting to post a new post to a list by hitting reply on any email from the list, changing the subject, and usually also removing the previous content. To the poster it appears as a new email, but it is not: it is a reply, and mail programs record that fact for ever. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHl1DCtTMYHG2NR9URAlZTAJwIR7dq0BKvO3KJW2bwGAQX5MShLACdGRKd Gd7blsIcG+qivBje1VZi4m8= =84vX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Neil

24 Jan 24 Jan

15:16

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

On Jan 23, 2008 3:10 PM, Donald D Henson wrote:

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This is an example of top-posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the top of this message. Now scroll all the way down to the bottom of this message to see an example of bottom posting and a longer explanation of posting models.

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This is an example of bottom posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the bottom of the message. Which to use is a subject that takes on an almost religious fervor. Proponents of each posting model (see below) can give dozens of reasons why their model is best. In practice, the solution to which model is used is set by the owner(s) of the list. The owner(s) of this list appear to prefer bottom posting. A couple other things that can get you yelled at on this list is sending html mail and hijacking a thread. Hijacking is changing the topic being discussed without changing the subject line. See the subject line of this reply to see one way to change it. Okay. As promise here's some more info on the posting models, probably more than you want to know. Anyway...

<snip> Okay I'll try and observe the simpel rule offered there: "be a sheep and folow the first one" :P (just kiddin, It's a good idea) If I read correctly I was the first one to reply and therefor set the rule to toppost, true? I personally prefer to read top posts. In the unlikely event I forgot what the original message was about I can always read on. In top posting you do not have to search where the new part starts. In bottom posting you have to find where the reply started, and start reading there. I am so unfocust I usually start reading what I already know, so bottom posting costs me a lot of time. Top posts however, I can simply start reading at the beginning and read the msg when I need it. Neil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sunny

16:32

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

On Jan 24, 2008 9:16 AM, Neil wrote:

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I personally prefer to read top posts. In the unlikely event I forgot what the original message was about I can always read on. In top posting you do not have to search where the new part starts. In bottom posting you have to find where the reply started, and start reading there. I am so unfocust I usually start reading what I already know, so bottom posting costs me a lot of time. Top posts however, I can simply start reading at the beginning and read the msg when I need it.

Hi Neil, I do appreciate your preference. But this list has it's rules, (netiquette) and we all try to follow it as good guests. There were thousands of discussions like this in the past, so there is no need of a new one. You are free to express yourself the way you like it - the consequence will be that if you do not follow the list's netquette, you most probably would not receive all the help you need, or your email will end up filtered out by most of the "old" users, which are most likely to be able to help you. Here is a link to the list netiquette (you have received it with your subscription email, but looks like you have missed it): http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette Cheers, and welcome -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Neil

19:16

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

On Jan 24, 2008 5:32 PM, Sunny wrote: <snip>

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Here is a link to the list netiquette (you have received it with your subscription email, but looks like you have missed it): http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette

Okay I skimmed over that when I signed up, must have missed that. Thanks for the heads up -- There are two kinds of people: 1. People who start their arrays with 1. 1. People who start their arrays with 0. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Steve Jeppesen

22:56

New subject: Top-Bottom Posting (was: Re: [opensuse] Duel Screening)

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:32:40 -0600 Sunny wrote:

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On Jan 24, 2008 9:16 AM, Neil wrote:

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I personally prefer to read top posts.

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Hi Neil, I do appreciate your preference.

Lets look at it from a different perspective. Say you are a new user to and you have a problem and are searching for an answer. You find a post here on the opensuse list that might have the answer you are looking for, but when you are reading it, you find that the responses appear to be out of order, because of personal tastes of individuals who replied. Now being a new user, are you going to be able to sort thru that message and be able to put things in the order they are suppose to be in (like performing certain steps in a certain order)? I agree, for personal email, or work-related email for that matter, top posting is preferred. But for mailing lists, newsgroups and the likes, bottom posting should be preferred, not because of your personal preference, but for the person who comes along in the future who may not have a clue to anything and they will need to read the post in the order that it should be in, from top to bottom. Now if you're in China.... 0.02 and a half cents worth -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sloan

23:02

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Top-Bottom Posting

Steve Jeppesen wrote:

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0.02 and a half cents worth

So, that's 0.52 cents? Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

17:58

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Top-Bottom Posting

Neil wrote:

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On Jan 23, 2008 3:10 PM, Donald D Henson wrote:

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This is an example of top-posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the top of this message. Now scroll all the way down to the bottom of this message to see an example of bottom posting and a longer explanation of posting models.

<snip>

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This is an example of bottom posting. In other words, my reply is posted at the bottom of the message. Which to use is a subject that takes on an almost religious fervor. Proponents of each posting model (see below) can give dozens of reasons why their model is best. In practice, the solution to which model is used is set by the owner(s) of the list. The owner(s) of this list appear to prefer bottom posting. A couple other things that can get you yelled at on this list is sending html mail and hijacking a thread. Hijacking is changing the topic being discussed without changing the subject line. See the subject line of this reply to see one way to change it. Okay. As promise here's some more info on the posting models, probably more than you want to know. Anyway...

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Okay I'll try and observe the simpel rule offered there: "be a sheep and folow the first one" :P (just kiddin, It's a good idea) If I read correctly I was the first one to reply and therefor set the rule to toppost, true? I personally prefer to read top posts. In the unlikely event I forgot what the original message was about I can always read on. In top posting you do not have to search where the new part starts. In bottom posting you have to find where the reply started, and start reading there. I am so unfocust I usually start reading what I already know, so bottom posting costs me a lot of time. Top posts however, I can simply start reading at the beginning and read the msg when I need it.

Neil

Top posting is great for business-memo types of communications. [Although because nobody ever TRIMS anything, each message just gets bigger and bigger and bigger..which is the first reason why top-posting is really bad for this list (archiving). The other reason it's bad is because when trying to discuss certain details within the thread, the replies are in the entirely WRONG place to follow the conversation, especially when several ideas have been suggested, tried, and have all failed. In these cases, top-posting makes everything a complete mess which is next to impossible to sort out. this

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