[opensuse] Zen v. vmware-Workstation to virtualize XP in 10.2
Mates, As a follow on to the previous Zen thread, I too would like further pre-install information on Zen verses vmware-Workstation. I'm dual-booting 10.2 and XP on my laptop at present and I would like to install XP into a virtual machine within 10.2 so I don't need to ever reboot (now rarely) to get into XP. I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer. Thanks! -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates,
As a follow on to the previous Zen thread, I too would like further pre-install information on Zen verses vmware-Workstation. I'm dual-booting 10.2 and XP on my laptop at present and I would like to install XP into a virtual machine within 10.2 so I don't need to ever reboot (now rarely) to get into XP. I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer.
Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing. Personally, I don't feel that 1gb of RAM is really enough to do virtual machines. Either your main machine or your virtual machine has to get squeezed too much. BTW, it is "Xen" not "Zen" "-) There is also a new article on the wiki dealing with virtualization: ttp://news.opensuse.org/?p=371 -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer.
You should also consider VMware Server. Yes, it's also closed source, but is freely available/downloadable.
Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing.
I also agree that wine should be capable of running these applications. Of course, Crossover Office from Codeweavers is available to provide a shiny front end to wine to make using it much easier.
Personally, I don't feel that 1gb of RAM is really enough to do virtual machines. Either your main machine or your virtual machine has to get squeezed too much.
/nods - 1GB is _just about_ enough to get one VM running, and it feels sluggish either in the VM, the host, or both :-)
BTW, it is "Xen" not "Zen" "-)
There is also a new article on the wiki dealing with virtualization:
Also worth pointing out that Xen requires CPUs with the virtualisation technology on board to be able to virtualise Windows XP (you could also use LVM as well for that matter). You can check for this support in your processors by looking for the flags in /proc/cpuinfo - for AMD it's svm, for Intel it's vmx Regards, Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 September 2007 03:19:37 Jonathan Ervine wrote:
XP (you could also use LVM as well for that matter). You can check
Damn - lame self reply, but this mis-spelling is catching. I did, of course, mean KVM... Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer.
You should also consider VMware Server. Yes, it's also closed source, but is freely available/downloadable.
Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing.
I also agree that wine should be capable of running these applications. Of course, Crossover Office from Codeweavers is available to provide a shiny front end to wine to make using it much easier.
Personally, I don't feel that 1gb of RAM is really enough to do virtual machines. Either your main machine or your virtual machine has to get squeezed too much.
/nods - 1GB is _just about_ enough to get one VM running, and it feels sluggish either in the VM, the host, or both :-)
BTW, it is "Xen" not "Zen" "-)
There is also a new article on the wiki dealing with virtualization:
Also worth pointing out that Xen requires CPUs with the virtualisation technology on board to be able to virtualise Windows XP (you could also use LVM as well for that matter). You can check for this support in your processors by looking for the flags in /proc/cpuinfo - for AMD it's svm, for Intel it's vmx
Regards, Jon
Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores: [root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 4 model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1867.000 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr bogomips : 6671.97 clflush size : 64 processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 4 model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1867.000 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr bogomips : 6669.25 clflush size : 64 Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 September 2007 09:25:47 David C. Rankin wrote:
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr
Jonathan Ervine wrote: pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do...
Sorry - definitely not supporting hardware assisted virtualisation (i.e. capable of virtualising Windows operating systems): http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor... Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Friday 28 September 2007 09:25:47 David C. Rankin wrote:
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr
Jonathan Ervine wrote: pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do...
Sorry - definitely not supporting hardware assisted virtualisation (i.e. capable of virtualising Windows operating systems): http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor...
Jon
Jon, Is that a prohibition on being able to do it at all? Or, is that a performance issue in that you won't be offloading the vt work to the newer vt processor extensions? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 September 2007 04:56:28 David C. Rankin wrote:
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Friday 28 September 2007 09:25:47 David C. Rankin wrote:
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space.
Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do...
Sorry - definitely not supporting hardware assisted virtualisation (i.e. capable of virtualising Windows operating systems): http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your- processor-supports-vt/
Jon
Jon,
Is that a prohibition on being able to do it at all? Or, is that a performance issue in that you won't be offloading the vt work to the newer vt processor extensions?
That is going to prevent you from doing any hardware assisted virtualisation (i.e. Windows). You will still be able to do para-virtualisation (i.e. other Linuxes/BSDs). This is because there is no version of Windows available with the necessary kernel changes (apparently only one company can modify the Windows kernel...) So in summary, in Xen are you able to: Virtualise unmodified operating systems - no Virtualise modified operating systems via para-virtualisation - yes Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 September 2007 04:19, Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates, I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer.
You should also consider VMware Server. Yes, it's also closed source, but is freely available/downloadable.
Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing.
I also agree that wine should be capable of running these applications. Of course, Crossover Office from Codeweavers is available to provide a shiny front end to wine to make using it much easier.
<snip> Download Codeweavers Croosover office (trial), it supports quickbooks, and probably Micorgraphix... If it works, it'll work better than virtualization, as there is no need to boot entire windows to run the apps, run them under linux... Jerry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
FWIW, you might check out VirtualBox, too. Last week I installed DOS, Windows XP, openSUSE 10.2, and Ubuntu 7.04 on VirtualBox virtual machines. There was some apparent stability issues during installation, but I eventually got everything installed and running enough for me to test my own Java app's installation, etc. I am running SUSE 10.0 as my host OS. I am also working with collaborators on a book, and they use Word. While I got that all running in a VirtualBox XP machine, I actually work in a vmware 4.0 virtual machine. I have used it for some years with no stability problems. Also, it support expansion to true full screen on my laptop which VirtualBox does not. For those reasons, I have decided to upgrade and continue using vmware as my primary virtual machine system, but I could see being happy with VirtualBox. I have used some custom (Delphi and C++) apps under wine. They worked fine except I never could get it to use a readably large font. After some recent upgrading and fiddling to improve the font situation, an important old app has now become unstable, so its back to the vmware XP machine for that one. -ds PS: Yes, this is top posted to save scrolling for those who can infer what I'm talking about from the title. The original message follows if you can't. David C. Rankin wrote:
Mates,
As a follow on to the previous Zen thread, I too would like further pre-install information on Zen verses vmware-Workstation. I'm dual-booting 10.2 and XP on my laptop at present and I would like to install XP into a virtual machine within 10.2 so I don't need to ever reboot (now rarely) to get into XP. I have a P4 duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space. Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx Designer.
Thanks!
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