On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Dave Plater wrote:

Xfce definitely exists in 42.3, I used it two days ago but I did a zypper dup from 42.2, maybe it's under custom.

Thanks, I found xfce under custom, I clicked and I get a set of 10 patterns: XFCE Fonts X Window System Multimedia Graphics Base System Enhanced Base System AppArmor Yast System Administration Software Maintenance There appears to be no 64 bit support, no support for 32 bit software, no console support, no networking, and no documentation. This is not as good as 42.2. The change is just making work to no advantage. I do not see why the Xfce button should be removed from the User Interface page. What was the problem? Could we have the xfce button back as it was in 42.2, and with the original set of patterns? Roger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

It hasn't been removed. The devs wanted that screen to offer limited choices,

I wonder why? What was the problem that needed solving? What's wrong with having Xfce as an official openSUSE desktop option on the User Interface page? The wide choice of desktops is one of openSUSE's strengths. kRoger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-07-28 18:52, Roger Price wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

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It hasn't been removed. The devs wanted that screen to offer limited choices,

I wonder why? What was the problem that needed solving? What's wrong with having Xfce as an official openSUSE desktop option on the User Interface page? The wide choice of desktops is one of openSUSE's strengths.

You should have spoken out at the time the decision was made. Now it is too late. Not that people complaining makes any change, anyway... They simply wanted an interface that needs no modifications if interfaces are added or removed, because that is take care of with patterns. YaST remains thus intact in the future. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2017-07-28 18:31, Roger Price wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Dave Plater wrote:

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Xfce definitely exists in 42.3, I used it two days ago but I did a zypper dup from 42.2, maybe it's under custom.

Thanks, I found xfce under custom, I clicked and I get a set of 10 patterns:

XFCE Fonts X Window System Multimedia Graphics Base System Enhanced Base System AppArmor Yast System Administration Software Maintenance

There appears to be no 64 bit support, no support for 32 bit software, no console support, no networking, and no documentation. This is not as good as 42.2. The change is just making work to no advantage.

There are a lot of patterns. You can see one "64 bit", for starters. linux-vsyq:~ # zypper se -t pattern Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.3-Update' metadata ....................................................................[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.3-Update' cache .........................................................................[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Summary | Type ---+----------------------+-------------------------------------+-------- | 64bit | 64-Bit Runtime Environment | pattern i | apparmor | AppArmor | pattern i | base | Base System | pattern | books | Documentation | pattern | console | Console Tools | pattern | devel_C_C++ | C/C++ Development | pattern | devel_basis | Base Development | pattern | devel_gnome | GNOME Development | pattern | devel_ide | Integrated Development Environments | pattern | devel_java | Java Development | pattern | devel_kde | KDE Development | pattern | devel_kde_frameworks | KDE Frameworks Development | pattern | devel_kernel | Linux Kernel Development | pattern | devel_mono | .NET Development | pattern | devel_perl | Perl Development | pattern | devel_python | Python Development | pattern | devel_python3 | Python 3 Development | pattern | devel_qt4 | Qt 4 Development | pattern | devel_qt5 | Qt 5 Development | pattern | devel_rpm_build | RPM Build Environment | pattern | devel_ruby | Ruby Development | pattern | devel_tcl | Tcl/Tk Development | pattern | devel_web | Web Development | pattern | devel_yast | YaST Development | pattern | dhcp_dns_server | DHCP and DNS Server | pattern | directory_server | Directory Server (LDAP) | pattern i | enhanced_base | Enhanced Base System | pattern | enlightenment | Enlightment | pattern | file_server | File Server | pattern i | fonts | Fonts | pattern | games | Games | pattern | gateway_server | Internet Gateway | pattern | generic_server | Generic Server | pattern | gnome | GNOME Desktop Environment | pattern | gnome_basis | GNOME Base System | pattern | haskell_platform | Haskell Platform | pattern i | imaging | Graphics | pattern | kde | KDE Desktop Environment | pattern | kde_plasma | KDE Plasma 5 Desktop | pattern | kvm_server | KVM Host Server | pattern | lamp_server | Web and LAMP Server | pattern | laptop | Laptop | pattern | lxde | LXDE Desktop Environment | pattern | lxqt | LXQt Desktop Environment | pattern | mail_server | Mail and News Server | pattern | mate | MATE Desktop Environment | pattern | mate_basis | MATE Base System | pattern | misc_server | Miscellaneous Server | pattern i | multimedia | Multimedia | pattern | network_admin | Network Administration | pattern | non_oss | Misc. Proprietary Packages | pattern | office | Office Software | pattern | print_server | Print Server | pattern | remote_desktop | Remote Desktop | pattern i | sw_management | Software Management | pattern | tabletpc | TabletPC | pattern | technical_writing | Technical Writing | pattern i | update_test | Tests for the Update Stack | pattern | voip | Voice Over IP Clients | pattern i | x11 | X Window System | pattern | x86 | x86 Runtime Environment | pattern | xen_server | Xen Virtual Machine Host Server | pattern i+ | xfce | XFCE Desktop Environment | pattern i | yast2_basis | YaST System Administration | pattern | yast2_install_wf | YaST Installation Packages | pattern linux-vsyq:~ #

I do not see why the Xfce button should be removed from the User Interface page. What was the problem? Could we have the xfce button back as it was in 42.2, and with the original set of patterns?

I guess not. :-( -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:12:47 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Roger Price [07-28-17 12:53]:

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

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It hasn't been removed. The devs wanted that screen to offer limited choices,

I wonder why? What was the problem that needed solving? What's wrong with having Xfce as an official openSUSE desktop option on the User Interface page? The wide choice of desktops is one of openSUSE's strengths.

so is space on the console where the choice is provided. maybe kde3 should be included there also, there may be 3 or 4 people still using it?

This is becoming off-topic, which I don't like, still I can't resist to comment. I think the number of those still using KDE3 or/and TDE is much higher (by magnitudes). Once it would be interesting to make a query or survey regarding this. Cheers, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 29/07/17 04:46, Istvan Gabor wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:12:47 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Roger Price [07-28-17 12:53]:

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

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It hasn't been removed. The devs wanted that screen to offer limited choices,

I wonder why? What was the problem that needed solving? What's wrong with having Xfce as an official openSUSE desktop option on the User Interface page? The wide choice of desktops is one of openSUSE's strengths.

so is space on the console where the choice is provided. maybe kde3 should be included there also, there may be 3 or 4 people still using it?

This is becoming off-topic, which I don't like, still I can't resist to comment. I think the number of those still using KDE3 or/and TDE is much higher (by magnitudes). Once it would be interesting to make a query or survey regarding this.

I think it would also be interesting to know how many people still believe that the world is flat and how many still think that the sun revolves around the earth :-). BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/28/2017 08:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I was not surprised because I had participated in the discussion when this was announced, so I knew what to expect. Of course I do not like it.

And, of course, since there is no single openSuSE list anymore (replaced by a myriad of opensuse, opensuse-packaging, opensuse-factory, opensuse-xyz), if the normal user was subscribed to the specific mailing list where it happened to be discussed, the normal user just never know.... But, at least now, it has been discussed on the opensuse mailing list -- somewhat after the fact... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 2017-07-29 10:44, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 07/28/2017 08:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I was not surprised because I had participated in the discussion when this was announced, so I knew what to expect. Of course I do not like it.

And, of course, since there is no single openSuSE list anymore (replaced by a myriad of opensuse, opensuse-packaging, opensuse-factory, opensuse-xyz), if the normal user was subscribed to the specific mailing list where it happened to be discussed, the normal user just never know....

It was discussed in the factory mail list, as typical for most of these things. Or rather, announced. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)