Re: [opensuse] Re: Linux not ready for prime time desktop? (was: 1 CD install ready to test)
Per Jessen <per@computer.org To: opensuse@opensuse.org > cc: Subject: [opensuse] Re: Linux not ready for prime time desktop? (was: 1 CD 09/06/2005 02:30 install ready to test) PM Please respond to opensuse Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com wrote:
Knoppix, SuSE, etc are not ready for prime time desktop. Not because of technology but because most customers insist on Windows.
#TBH, isn't that a bit of a silly comment? If user demand determines when a Linux distro #will be desktop ready, it will never happen. I'm sure Billy Gates didn't judge Windows' #prime time readiness by what the users wanted. #Also, the large user communities seem to have no problem with user readiness? Stadt #Munich, the French CRS and many others. Thousands of terminals. A large Swiss health #insurer recently went to Linux-only thin clients - about 300 of them. #/Per Jessen, Zürich Per, very silly indeed, I agree. I am just passing on what my customers are saying regarding their choice for desktop. When I grow up I might become a salesman and convice 800 people in my company to switch their XP for SuSE. In the meantime, I'll let someone else fight that battle. I can only fight one at a time and I already got my hands full. I do believe that once there is acceptance in some signficantly large organizations, then companies like mine will follow. No one got fired in the 80's by buying IBM. The same applies in my company but by buying WIN. All I can do in the meantime, get a few converts here and there. So I am on your side, don't forget that. Uriel -- http://www.spamchek.com/freetrial - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
I personally feel that Linux is ready for the desktop, but atleast one major dist needs to partner with a hardware vendor to provide easy access. Suse acheived this with HP, but it seemed it went as fast as it came. Not to mention that you can't get a cheap desktop from a major vendor (like Dell) without an OS, so it amost is more expensive to buy new comps with Windows and install Linux on arrival, then it is to just leave it as is and start installing programs. I also think once Crossover Office is more stable and supports more apps, Linux will spread like wildfire across organizations throughout the country, including the one I work for now. Everything we use already works in cxoffice, minus two programs which our business is 100% dependant on. So unfortunately, we're stuck for now. Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com wrote:
Per Jessen <per@computer.org To: opensuse@opensuse.org > cc: Subject: [opensuse] Re: Linux not ready for prime time desktop? (was: 1 CD 09/06/2005 02:30 install ready to test) PM Please respond to opensuse
Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com wrote:
Knoppix, SuSE, etc are not ready for prime time desktop. Not because of
technology
but because most customers insist on Windows.
#TBH, isn't that a bit of a silly comment? If user demand determines when a Linux distro #will be desktop ready, it will never happen. I'm sure Billy Gates didn't judge Windows' #prime time readiness by what the users wanted.
#Also, the large user communities seem to have no problem with user readiness? Stadt #Munich, the French CRS and many others. Thousands of terminals. A large Swiss health #insurer recently went to Linux-only thin clients - about 300 of them.
#/Per Jessen, Zürich Per, very silly indeed, I agree. I am just passing on what my customers are saying regarding their choice for desktop. When I grow up I might become a salesman and convice 800 people in my company to switch their XP for SuSE. In the meantime, I'll let someone else fight that battle. I can only fight one at a time and I already got my hands full. I do believe that once there is acceptance in some signficantly large organizations, then companies like mine will follow. No one got fired in the 80's by buying IBM. The same applies in my company but by buying WIN. All I can do in the meantime, get a few converts here and there. So I am on your side, don't forget that. Uriel
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Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com wrote:
Per, very silly indeed, I agree. I am just passing on what my customers are saying regarding their choice for desktop. When I grow up I might become a salesman and convice 800 people in my company to switch their XP for SuSE. In the meantime, I'll let someone else fight that battle.
Of course a lot depends on how your company operates IT, but one of way of working this is 1) decide to go Linux, 2) then sell it to the users. I don't know of many companies where the _users_ actively decide the IT strategy. My point was - just because your users aren't falling over oneanother to go Linux, it doesn't mean the Linux desktop isn't ready for prime time. They're two very different things.
I do believe that once there is acceptance in some signficantly large organizations, then companies like mine will follow.
I don't know the situation in your part of the world, but in Europe it's public administration that's been moving really fast in this area. Especially in Germany and France, but Britain and Switzerland are now catching up. And when a large health-insurer like CSS (www.css.ch) decides to go for Linux-based thin clients, it's very significant (given that Swiss IT is generally very conservative).
All I can do in the meantime, get a few converts here and there. So I am on your side, don't forget that.
Oh, absolutely - it was perhaps just the way you phrased that statement that got me out of my otherwise comfortable armchair :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/freetrial - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now!
Per Jessen wrote:
Uriel_Carrasquilla@ncci.com wrote:
Per, very silly indeed, I agree. I am just passing on what my customers are saying regarding their choice for desktop. When I grow up I might become a salesman and convice 800 people in my company to switch their XP for SuSE. In the meantime, I'll let someone else fight that battle.
Of course a lot depends on how your company operates IT, but one of way of working this is 1) decide to go Linux, 2) then sell it to the users. I don't know of many companies where the _users_ actively decide the IT strategy. My point was - just because your users aren't falling over oneanother to go Linux, it doesn't mean the Linux desktop isn't ready for prime time. They're two very different things.
I do believe that once there is acceptance in some signficantly large organizations, then companies like mine will follow.
I don't know the situation in your part of the world, but in Europe it's public administration that's been moving really fast in this area. Especially in Germany and France, but Britain and Switzerland are now catching up. And when a large health-insurer like CSS (www.css.ch) decides to go for Linux-based thin clients, it's very significant (given that Swiss IT is generally very conservative).
All I can do in the meantime, get a few converts here and there. So I am on your side, don't forget that.
Oh, absolutely - it was perhaps just the way you phrased that statement that got me out of my otherwise comfortable armchair :-)
/Per Jessen, Zürich
I agree that one of the major hardware vendors needs to step up and offer GNU/Linux as part of their regular offerings. Offer users a choice of Linux or Windows on standard hardware. That would go a long ways towards building the user base. In terms of organizations migrating to GNU/Linux, I'd say the educational system is making headway here in the US. Indiana high schools will put Novell Linux Desktop on some 1600 student desks. Another company (camera company, I believe) is using GNU/Linux for POS terminals. I forget which distro - may have been another Novell account. Seems like another school system here is migrating also.
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