I'm looking for a new graphics card. By "best" I mean supported in linux with least problems. History: Had Matrox Mill II, well supported but no 3D Currently nVidia TNT2 M64 (CardExpert), problems The nVidia card suffers from various problems including: - In runmode 3 (not X) the terminal blanks to white screen (sorta defeats to purpose of the screen saver). - Login and out of KDE via kdm will sometimes hang the system. - When switching from VC7 to VC1 the terminal is trashed. Note: installed latest nVidia rpm from their site into SuSE 7.1 Can anyone suggest my next card which will have the least problems. Perhaps another Matrox product. I'm not looking the the fasted/cutting edge but something with 3D which will work without bugs. Does such a thing exist? Thanks for any advice, Terry
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On June 4, 2001 03:01 pm, tleck@mindspring.com wrote:
A lot of people are having a lot of success with the Nvidia cards. I am determined to stick with Matrox for a number of reasons: 1) Support is awesome. My first Matrox was a used 2Meg Mystique. I put in a support request on their web form and got a human answer that completely solved my problem within 30 minutes. Nowadays they have a completely open support forum where everyone gets their questions answered. There is a Linux portion that is regularly (every day) handled by one of their support techs (Ben) 2) Linux support is great. They publish just about everything, allowing open source drivers to be written. In the past while, they've paid Precision Insight to develop drivers and they release new driver versions every two months or so for the Gxxx series cards. They give out the source to everything they can and keep the closed stuff they licensed in a separate mga_hal.so 3) Cheap. The cards are much cheaper nowadays. I bought my Dualhead G450 with 32Mb RAM for about CAN$200 (~US$133). I don't mind upgrading every couple of years for those prices The 3D performance doesn't come close to Nvidia but I feel better with a card of higher quality (who made *your* Nvidia card?) from a company that is used to extreme high-end stuff. Ever see a Matrox Meteor? I used to have one at a former employer. We were analysing fish with one. Another went to the Canadian Space Agency for the new Canadarm. The 2D performance is also of the highest quality on the market. Needless to say, I'm happy with my Matrox. I have to turn down the settings for SoF on my K6/400 but I don't mind. The only thing that bugs me is the lack of a mobile Matrox chipset. I have a crappy S3 in my laptop. Ugh. - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7G9YA+FOexA3koIgRApybAJ9FFVEheJQtrlgeHuH9MZi1tQXRKACfTaJJ Sp1/mKws3vf9x530wnV2wj8= =pL9W -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
James Oakley wrote:
Unfortunatly I am not one of them!
I am determined to stick with Matrox for a number of reasons:
1) Support is awesome.
This is great
2) Linux support is great.
This is what I'm looking for!
3) Cheap.
Not a real consideration, just want something with 3D that works!
CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better? So, you would suggest that a Matrox G450 should work without "bugs" of the Nvidia. Thanks, Terry
* Terry Eck (tleck@mindspring.com) [010604 18:07]: -> ->CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better? -> No offense..but who is Cardexpert? I would go with a card made by Guillmot ..they make Geforce2 and TNT2 based cards that work..and work well. If Diamond was still making Viper770's or if they hadn't switched to s3 chips..I would suggest them. No offense intended but just because a card has a TNT2 controller chipset on it..doesn't mean that the rest of the card is of any worth. Asus and Guillmot are pretty good. Can anyone else think of any other company that makes good TNT2/Geforce2 cards? -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
CARDEXpert aka Cardex, aka gainward inc. Make nVidia, S3/4, SiS, etc..... Voted most bang for the buck by a few mags like PCWorld. That's what I'm using. $99.00 U.S. for a GeForce2-MX with 32 megs (sdr though). Try http://www.gainward.com/newsite/index.htm Not a bad card with good performance. Note: the new site is under construction. Cheers. Curtis On Monday 04 June 2001 08:18 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> (Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 06:18:49PM -0700)
* Terry Eck (tleck@mindspring.com) [010604 18:07]:
->CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better?
Asus and Guillmot are pretty good. Can anyone else think of any other company that makes good TNT2/Geforce2 cards?
ELSA, realtek. Im using ELSA geforce256 at home, works fine. Have been using Realtek Geforce2MX at work ()with twinview) worked fine. Now back to a quadro (dunno who made it, it came with an SGI VW550) Currently listening to: Tool - Lateralus (Lateralus) Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O orthopedic Dr. Martins good for waffle making, kickin through the shin =`\<, reputation, gained through intimidation pacifism no longer tradition (=)/(=) cause hey, we're the brews sportin anti swastika tattoos oi oi we're the brews The Fairfax ghetto boys skinheaded jews
On Tuesday 05 June 2001 11:18 am, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
I agree with Ben :) I have just recently bought a Hercules Geforce2mx. On the box in small print it says that Hercules is a division of Guillemont I am using Suse 7.1 Prof but with no updates to Kde and have found the card to be stable and problem free. I did however use Yast2 to update the drivers for it to ver 0.9-6. Glenn
Hello, everyone. I have a pair of CardExpert GeForce2MX Twinview boards in machines here, and they are sweet. CardExpert (also known as Gainward) use the fastest memory available which greatly improves overall performance, and allows more room for overclocking. The cards I have use 5.5ns memory, whereas the others tend to have 6ns or slower. Their latest card which has Twinview and VIVO uses 4ns memory. Check here for a good review http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q2/010530/index.html I also have an Asus V7100 Pure which is destined to be used in my new Linux box if I ever get the hard drive for it. I am currently using it under W2K in the wife's old box. The CardExpert card is noticably faster. This box use to have the CardExpert card in it, but I pulled it out to drop it into her new Athlon machine, so the only difference in that older box is the vid card. Don't get me wrong, the Asus board works well, and I'm sure it will work great in my Linux box, but the CardExpert cards definitely run faster. Gainward have been relatively unknown for many years, but they changed their strategy last year and decided to do whatever it took to be the best Nvidia board manufacturer. Their boards all come with a heat sink and fan on the GPU, and as I already mentioned, faster memory chips than the competition. In fact, they were in trouble with Nvidia for a while by using faster memory than Nvidia's reference boards, but Nvidia backed off when they saw that the boards did in fact work. Their home page is here http://www.gainward.com Probably more than you wanted to know, Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: suse-linux-e-return-59939-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@suse.com [mailto:suse-linux-e-return-59939-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@suse.com]O n Behalf Of Ben Rosenberg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:19 PM To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Best 3D graphics card * Terry Eck (tleck@mindspring.com) [010604 18:07]: -> ->CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better? -> No offense..but who is Cardexpert? I would go with a card made by Guillmot ..they make Geforce2 and TNT2 based cards that work..and work well. If Diamond was still making Viper770's or if they hadn't switched to s3 chips..I would suggest them. No offense intended but just because a card has a TNT2 controller chipset on it..doesn't mean that the rest of the card is of any worth. Asus and Guillmot are pretty good. Can anyone else think of any other company that makes good TNT2/Geforce2 cards? -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On June 4, 2001 03:01 pm, tleck@mindspring.com wrote:
A lot of people are having a lot of success with the Nvidia cards. I am determined to stick with Matrox for a number of reasons: 1) Support is awesome. My first Matrox was a used 2Meg Mystique. I put in a support request on their web form and got a human answer that completely solved my problem within 30 minutes. Nowadays they have a completely open support forum where everyone gets their questions answered. There is a Linux portion that is regularly (every day) handled by one of their support techs (Ben) 2) Linux support is great. They publish just about everything, allowing open source drivers to be written. In the past while, they've paid Precision Insight to develop drivers and they release new driver versions every two months or so for the Gxxx series cards. They give out the source to everything they can and keep the closed stuff they licensed in a separate mga_hal.so 3) Cheap. The cards are much cheaper nowadays. I bought my Dualhead G450 with 32Mb RAM for about CAN$200 (~US$133). I don't mind upgrading every couple of years for those prices The 3D performance doesn't come close to Nvidia but I feel better with a card of higher quality (who made *your* Nvidia card?) from a company that is used to extreme high-end stuff. Ever see a Matrox Meteor? I used to have one at a former employer. We were analysing fish with one. Another went to the Canadian Space Agency for the new Canadarm. The 2D performance is also of the highest quality on the market. Needless to say, I'm happy with my Matrox. I have to turn down the settings for SoF on my K6/400 but I don't mind. The only thing that bugs me is the lack of a mobile Matrox chipset. I have a crappy S3 in my laptop. Ugh. - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7G9YA+FOexA3koIgRApybAJ9FFVEheJQtrlgeHuH9MZi1tQXRKACfTaJJ Sp1/mKws3vf9x530wnV2wj8= =pL9W -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
James Oakley wrote:
Unfortunatly I am not one of them!
I am determined to stick with Matrox for a number of reasons:
1) Support is awesome.
This is great
2) Linux support is great.
This is what I'm looking for!
3) Cheap.
Not a real consideration, just want something with 3D that works!
CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better? So, you would suggest that a Matrox G450 should work without "bugs" of the Nvidia. Thanks, Terry
* Terry Eck (tleck@mindspring.com) [010604 18:07]: -> ->CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better? -> No offense..but who is Cardexpert? I would go with a card made by Guillmot ..they make Geforce2 and TNT2 based cards that work..and work well. If Diamond was still making Viper770's or if they hadn't switched to s3 chips..I would suggest them. No offense intended but just because a card has a TNT2 controller chipset on it..doesn't mean that the rest of the card is of any worth. Asus and Guillmot are pretty good. Can anyone else think of any other company that makes good TNT2/Geforce2 cards? -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
CARDEXpert aka Cardex, aka gainward inc. Make nVidia, S3/4, SiS, etc..... Voted most bang for the buck by a few mags like PCWorld. That's what I'm using. $99.00 U.S. for a GeForce2-MX with 32 megs (sdr though). Try http://www.gainward.com/newsite/index.htm Not a bad card with good performance. Note: the new site is under construction. Cheers. Curtis On Monday 04 June 2001 08:18 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> (Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 06:18:49PM -0700)
* Terry Eck (tleck@mindspring.com) [010604 18:07]:
->CardExpert (TNT2 M64), would an Asus be better?
Asus and Guillmot are pretty good. Can anyone else think of any other company that makes good TNT2/Geforce2 cards?
ELSA, realtek. Im using ELSA geforce256 at home, works fine. Have been using Realtek Geforce2MX at work ()with twinview) worked fine. Now back to a quadro (dunno who made it, it came with an SGI VW550) Currently listening to: Tool - Lateralus (Lateralus) Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O orthopedic Dr. Martins good for waffle making, kickin through the shin =`\<, reputation, gained through intimidation pacifism no longer tradition (=)/(=) cause hey, we're the brews sportin anti swastika tattoos oi oi we're the brews The Fairfax ghetto boys skinheaded jews
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