[opensuse] SLES, openSuSE and release cycles... what's the plan?
Hi, I tried to figure out (via the SLES support) when SLES 11 will be released. The answer was that SLES 11 will likely (not guaranteed) have a common code base with opensuse 11.1 and thus should appear in spring 2009 or so. More detailed information couldn't be given due to legal issues. Maybe I can get some general statements about this topic from some openSuSE and SLES developers here, I don't know where else to discuss this. So far, SLES was supposed to be released in a 2-year-cycle, from 8 to 10 it was even less (22 months). With the information from the support I wonder if this 2-year period is still targeted at or not. It looks like opensuse 11.0 will take very long according to the schedule. To keep the 2-year-cycle for SLES, SLES11 would have to share the code base with openSuSE 11.0 (and even then it would be short due to the 2-3 months delay between the SuSE and the SLES version in the past). When sharing with openSuSE 11.1 and assuming the same long development cycle for 11.1 as for 11.0, SLES 11 would indeed appear sometime in spring 2009. Thus, being closer to a 3-year-cycle than to a 2-year. Maybe the decision about SLES 11 and the code base for it hasn't been made yet, but I would like to know what's the general plan for the future. Will Novell try to keep the 2-year release cycle for SLES? If not, we must consider switching to sth. else :-( 2 years is already hard for servers that we use for software development, webservices and things like that. The repositories make it possible to stay with one SLES for 2 years, but after that we need a fresh, up-to-date installation with all the lastest tomcat stuff etc. (and yes, Crispin, of course I'm also worrying about our "SLES for servers, same SuSE codebase for clients" setup that we discussed once in the past ;-) Although I'm able to work around this now with a combined SLES+SLED installation :-)) cu, Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner Web: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/ Lehrstuhl f. Bioinformatik Mail: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/m/ LMU, Amalienstr. 17 Phone: +49 89 2180-4049 80333 Muenchen, Germany Fax: +49 89 2180-99-4049 * Rekursion kann man erst verstehen, wenn man Rekursion verstanden hat. * -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:49:41PM +0100, Frank Steiner wrote:
Hi,
I tried to figure out (via the SLES support) when SLES 11 will be released. The answer was that SLES 11 will likely (not guaranteed) have a common code base with opensuse 11.1 and thus should appear in spring 2009 or so. More detailed information couldn't be given due to legal issues.
Maybe I can get some general statements about this topic from some openSuSE and SLES developers here, I don't know where else to discuss this.
So far, SLES was supposed to be released in a 2-year-cycle, from 8 to 10 it was even less (22 months). With the information from the support I wonder if this 2-year period is still targeted at or not.
It looks like opensuse 11.0 will take very long according to the schedule. To keep the 2-year-cycle for SLES, SLES11 would have to share the code base with openSuSE 11.0 (and even then it would be short due to the 2-3 months delay between the SuSE and the SLES version in the past).
When sharing with openSuSE 11.1 and assuming the same long development cycle for 11.1 as for 11.0, SLES 11 would indeed appear sometime in spring 2009. Thus, being closer to a 3-year-cycle than to a 2-year.
Maybe the decision about SLES 11 and the code base for it hasn't been made yet, but I would like to know what's the general plan for the future. Will Novell try to keep the 2-year release cycle for SLES?
If not, we must consider switching to sth. else :-( 2 years is already hard for servers that we use for software development, webservices and things like that. The repositories make it possible to stay with one SLES for 2 years, but after that we need a fresh, up-to-date installation with all the lastest tomcat stuff etc.
The scheduling decision when SLES 11 will happen have not been made. Rough lines are likely discussed already, but not down to my level. In general we try to also try capture Features in the Service Packs too, Hmm. As for the feature things, perhaps this is something we should really look into doing for the Service Packs too. For SP2 we already update php5 to 5.2.latest for instance (but I am afraid for other features it is likely too late already).
(and yes, Crispin, of course I'm also worrying about our "SLES for servers, same SuSE codebase for clients" setup that we discussed once in the past ;-) Although I'm able to work around this now with a combined SLES+SLED installation :-))
Crispin is unfortunately no longer with Novell... Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote
The scheduling decision when SLES 11 will happen have not been made. Rough lines are likely discussed already, but not down to my level.
Ok, so there might be hope that it will share the code base with 11.0 :-)
In general we try to also try capture Features in the Service Packs too,
Hmm.
As for the feature things, perhaps this is something we should really look into doing for the Service Packs too.
You definitely do a lot with the service packs, also the latest hardware drivers etc. But I guess for major upgrades like switching from tomcat 5.0 to 5.5 a SP isn't the right place... Not talking about the kernel features like unionfs, gcc 3 -> 4 or (and that's often very important for our developers) a glibc upgrade. That's what breaks everything :-)
For SP2 we already update php5 to 5.2.latest for instance (but I am afraid for other features it is likely too late already).
We do appreciate that, no question! But I still hope for a continued 2-year release cycle. And if you know some of the guys at higher levels who make those decisions, feel free to forward them my email as a (hopefully appreciated :-)) customer feedback.
Crispin is unfortunately no longer with Novell...
Uh, yes, apparmor, I missed that this was him... cu, Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner Web: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/ Lehrstuhl f. Bioinformatik Mail: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/m/ LMU, Amalienstr. 17 Phone: +49 89 2180-4049 80333 Muenchen, Germany Fax: +49 89 2180-99-4049 * Rekursion kann man erst verstehen, wenn man Rekursion verstanden hat. * -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 05:15:56PM +0100, Frank Steiner wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote
The scheduling decision when SLES 11 will happen have not been made. Rough lines are likely discussed already, but not down to my level.
Ok, so there might be hope that it will share the code base with 11.0 :-)
In general we try to also try capture Features in the Service Packs too,
Hmm.
As for the feature things, perhaps this is something we should really look into doing for the Service Packs too.
You definitely do a lot with the service packs, also the latest hardware drivers etc. But I guess for major upgrades like switching from tomcat 5.0 to 5.5 a SP isn't the right place... Not talking about the kernel features like unionfs, gcc 3 -> 4 or (and that's often very important for our developers) a glibc upgrade. That's what breaks everything :-)
For SP2 we already update php5 to 5.2.latest for instance (but I am afraid for other features it is likely too late already).
We do appreciate that, no question! But I still hope for a continued 2-year release cycle. And if you know some of the guys at higher levels who make those decisions, feel free to forward them my email as a (hopefully appreciated :-)) customer feedback.
I have forwarded it to the respective chief product manager. The feedback was that well the timeline is likely not changeable, but that ideas are to offer newer compilers and other stuff via a service pack. (None of this is done for SP2 afaik). But they are aware of it. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Frank Steiner escribió:
Hi,
I tried to figure out (via the SLES support) when SLES 11 will be released. The answer was that SLES 11 will likely (not guaranteed) have a common code base with opensuse 11.1 and thus should appear in spring 2009 or so. More detailed information couldn't be given due to legal issues.
Enterprise products schedule is business confidential information and this particular one is truly secret and cannot leak because it does not exists yet =)
(and yes, Crispin,..
Crispin is now at @microsoft... "Morality is merely an interpretation of certain phenomena — more precisely, a misinterpretation." - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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