On 8/4/21 3:33 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 04/08/2021 15.25, cagsm wrote:

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with leap 15.3, the ddclient package is also quite older than the lastet upstream release on github which is still from only january 2020.

<https://github.com/ddclient/ddclient>

can we please have proper and recent releases from oss upstream creators and not have ancient stuff in brand new opensuse releases? You must be aware that openSUSE Leap goal is not to have recent stuff.

Now, if you point to security bugs that have not being patched, you can write a bugzilla requesting the package be updated.

You'll find that most packages used in Leap are really antiquated, just to keep sync with the business releases. They do, however, occasionally make some updates if security concerns are flagged. To get the newest, you have to use Tumbleweed. Be warned, that there are packages which are also somewhat older with especially core packages taking some time to get upgraded. But at the positive side: Tumbleweed is stable for most of the time. Regards, Frans -- A: Yes, just like that A: Ja, net zo Q: Oh, Just like reading a book backwards Q: Oh, net als een boek achterstevoren lezen A: Because it upsets the natural flow of a story A: Omdat het de natuurlijke gang uit het verhaal haalt Q: Why is top-posting annoying? Q: Waarom is Top-posting zo irritant?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 3:33 PM Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:

You must be aware that openSUSE Leap goal is not to have recent stuff.

wow really lol cool story guys here in this thread. didnt expect some 1+ year old package to be called or regarded bleeding edge, besides the distributed package being like 5+ years old. :( same for the aria2 stuff and tls 1.3 very bleeding. sends bloody tears to my eyes :/ ty

On 04/08/2021 16.03, cagsm wrote:

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 3:33 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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You must be aware that openSUSE Leap goal is not to have recent stuff.

wow really lol cool story guys here in this thread. didnt expect some 1+ year old package to be called or regarded bleeding edge, besides the distributed package being like 5+ years old. :(

You have to prove that this is a problem, besides being old.

same for the aria2 stuff and tls 1.3 very bleeding. sends bloody tears to my eyes :/

As this actually poses a problem, I will report it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))

On 05/08/2021 01.51, cagsm wrote:

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 5:43 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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wow really lol cool story guys here in this thread. didnt expect some 1+ year old package to be called or regarded bleeding edge, besides the distributed package being like 5+ years old. :( You have to prove that this is a problem, besides being old.

about ddclient, it is not about security issues but about features, as dynamic dns backends of all the various providers since that old release from 2015 there have been quite a number of new rules? codesets and such stuff been added to ddclient upstream to make it work with the many newer and different apis of those dns providers and such.

what i didnt understand is why shipping a distro in 2021 would bring in software that has seen at least two releases beyond that from 2015 of the upstream vendor.

But you have to understand that Leap is defined that way. That's a key characteristic of Leap, like it or not. I can not look it up on 15.3 because package search is broken, but on 15.2 you can easily get version 3.9.1 of ddclient on repository network. <https://software.opensuse.org/package/ddclient?search_term=ddclient> And that is another characteristic of Leap: often you can get alternative package versions in repositories. Not always.

thanks for reporting the aria2 bug. would this be added to 15.3 as well once it has been handled on the 15.2 level? ty.

Probably. But I can not say if it will be added to the core or to an external repository. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))

On 05/08/2021 07.04, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021, 02:33:36 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 05/08/2021 01.51, cagsm wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 5:43 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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what i didnt understand is why shipping a distro in 2021 would bring in software that has seen at least two releases beyond that from 2015 of the upstream vendor.

But you have to understand that Leap is defined that way. That's a key characteristic of Leap, like it or not.

so WHY is it "defined that way"? What is the benefit?

Go back in the mail lists for explanations at the time Leap was created (specially the Project mail list) :-) Also, read the explanations at the main opensuse web page. Leap is based in SLE, the commercial SUSE distribution, mostly for servers. SLE is how it is. They create a version, and over the years change the minimum, because that is what the enterprise customers want. STABILITY, NO BIG CHANGES. For several years, minimum 3, maybe up to 7. Leap is based in SLE, as I said, not in factory aka Tumbleweed. It takes the core packages from it. So, the characteristics of the core are the same as in SLE. Big advantage for openSUSE volunteers: much less work. However, SLE doesn't have KDE, for example. So, the community creates the KDE packages, not SUSE, and thus, they are recent packages. This happens to many others, as much as possible. SLE has Gnome, so Gnome doesn't have recent packages. But in some cases, volunteers create updated packages in extra repositories. Some cases can not be updated, because they need new libraries that can not be updated. If you want an openSUSE distribution with as recent packages as possible, then switch to Tumbleweed. Comment: there will be a Leap 15.4 for sure, and perhaps a 15.5. We don't decide, it is up to SUSE as they do SLES. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))

On 05/08/2021 13.39, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021, 13:12:58 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 05/08/2021 07.04, Mathias Homann wrote:

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Am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021, 02:33:36 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 05/08/2021 01.51, cagsm wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 5:43 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

what i didnt understand is why shipping a distro in 2021 would bring in software that has seen at least two releases beyond that from 2015 of the upstream vendor.

But you have to understand that Leap is defined that way. That's a key characteristic of Leap, like it or not.

so WHY is it "defined that way"? What is the benefit?

Go back in the mail lists for explanations at the time Leap was created (specially the Project mail list) :-)

Also, read the explanations at the main opensuse web page.

Leap is based in SLE, the commercial SUSE distribution, mostly for servers. SLE is how it is. They create a version, and over the years change the minimum, because that is what the enterprise customers want. STABILITY, NO BIG CHANGES. For several years, minimum 3, maybe up to 7.

Or to sum it up in a slightly different manner: Leap is for SERVERS, and possibly for desktop systems with older (outdated, legacy) Hardware.

I've switched to Tumbleweed already, after trying to install Leap on a new laptop resulted in a system that wouldn't run in graphics mode - Intel Iris XE onboard graphics card, needs a moderately recent kernel.

You could report the problem in Bugzilla, and the support for that graphic card will probably be added. Something I forgot to say is that the Leap/SLE kernel is heavily patched, adding support for a lot of hardware that the vanilla kernel doesn't have. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))