switching over from redhat
hello, i've been using redhat linux for like two years...since 6.2 to 7.3. i'm a big kde fan and actually dislike gnome. redhat is very biased to gnome and i just heard that suse is geared towards kde, hence my interest in the change. i have a few questions before i make my decision: 1) where can i see a list of all the packages included in the suse 8.1 distrobution? 2) is there automatic update system like redhat's up2date? 3) how configurable is the installation process? i kinda like to very carefully pick and choose what gets installed and then compile kde from source. 4) what boot loader does it use? grub i hope...=) 5) where can i get more detailed info about suse? where can i find out info and comparisons about/between all the major distros? 6) cups the main print system? thanks, christopher (maybe soon to be suse user...=)
* christopher j bottaro (cjb@cs.utexas.edu) [021003 17:00]:
1) where can i see a list of all the packages included in the suse 8.1 distrobution?
http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professiona... and http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/new_features.html
2) is there automatic update system like redhat's up2date?
Yes, it's called YOU.
3) how configurable is the installation process? i kinda like to very carefully pick and choose what gets installed and then compile kde from source.
You can do that.
4) what boot loader does it use? grub i hope...=)
In 8.1, yes.
5) where can i get more detailed info about suse? where can i find out info and comparisons about/between all the major distros?
Not sure what you're looking for but you may want to start here: http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/index.html
6) cups the main print system?
Yes. -- -ckm
On Thursday 03 October 2002 20:04, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* christopher j bottaro (cjb@cs.utexas.edu) [021003 17:00]:
1) where can i see a list of all the packages included in the suse 8.1 distrobution?
http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_profession al/index.html and http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/new_features.html
2) is there automatic update system like redhat's up2date?
Yes, it's called YOU.
3) how configurable is the installation process? i kinda like to very carefully pick and choose what gets installed and then compile kde from source.
You can do that.
4) what boot loader does it use? grub i hope...=)
In 8.1, yes.
5) where can i get more detailed info about suse? where can i find out info and comparisons about/between all the major distros?
Not sure what you're looking for but you may want to start here: http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/index.html
6) cups the main print system?
Yes.
Just looked over the package listing, and can I make a suggestion? Zebra 0.92a has serious problems with keeping it's routes and interface status synced with the kernel. Zebra 0.93 fixes this. COuld you guys either switch to this soon or patch up 0.92 to fix this? Thanks Donavan Pantke
* Donavan Pantke (avatar@dcr.net) [021003 18:20]:
Just looked over the package listing, and can I make a suggestion? Zebra 0.92a has serious problems with keeping it's routes and interface status synced with the kernel. Zebra 0.93 fixes this.
Can be please report this at http://www.suse.com/feedback ? Thanks, -- -ckm
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:04, Christopher Mahmood wrote:
* christopher j bottaro (cjb@cs.utexas.edu) [021003 17:00]:
5) where can i get more detailed info about suse? where can i find out info and comparisons about/between all the major distros?
Not sure what you're looking for but you may want to start here: http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/index.html
Have a look at this site for a comparision of all the distributions. http://www.distrowatch.com/ Regards, Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------
On Thursday 03 October 2002 20:04, Christopher Mahmood wrote: [...]
2) is there automatic update system like redhat's up2date?
Yes, it's called YOU.
Um, Chris, somebody who doesn't know SuSE would probably think that you are being a smart-ass. As in, "You are the update system, bucko, it's self-serve." You could explain that YaST stands for "Yet Another Setup Tool" (the major, comprehensive configuration and system control tool of SuSE), and that the "YaST Online Updater" (or YOU) is the semi-automatic update tool. Or.... you could just let them go on thinking that yer a smart-ass <g>
3) how configurable is the installation process? i kinda like to very carefully pick and choose what gets installed and then compile kde from source.
You can do that.
4) what boot loader does it use? grub i hope...=)
In 8.1, yes.
My 8.1 delivery hasn't arrived yet... Have they dropped lilo? Or are they just featuring grub as well? Which one are you offered if you just run the installer and answer questions as they come up? I tried Grub last year and didn't see what the fuss was about, so I went back to lilo... but then I don't do anything fancy, so I probably don't realize what I'm missing...
5) where can i get more detailed info about suse? where can i find out info and comparisons about/between all the major distros?
Not sure what you're looking for but you may want to start here: http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/i ndex.html
6) cups the main print system?
Yes.
Have they improved the ability of YaST print configuration to reach out and find printers/servers on a network? 8.0 would only look in the local LAN segment/subnet, and would not look past the nearest hub or bridge. It also refused to let you type in the address of the hub in your office LAN, behind which the printers and print-servers actually lived. Such a simple thing. Tell me that they've fixed it...? Also -- When I insert the SuSE 8.1 DVD into my Pioneer DVD 114 or DVD 116... will it work? It worked with 7.3, but not when I bought 8.0. Have they sorted it out for 8.1? Or am I back to feeding CDs into the machine? Inquiring minds want to know. /kevin -- ** DIR-ty DEEDS, and they're DONE dirt cheap. (Sing it, now...)
On Friday 04 October 2002 16.01, Kevin McLauchlan wrote:
My 8.1 delivery hasn't arrived yet... Have they dropped lilo?
Not dropped, but grub is the default. You can select either when you install.
Or are they just featuring grub as well? Which one are you offered if you just run the installer and answer questions as they come up?
grub, unless you manually change it.
I tried Grub last year and didn't see what the fuss was about, so I went back to lilo... but then I don't do anything fancy, so I probably don't realize what I'm missing...
The biggest difference is probably that you don't have to do anything when you change "vmlinuz", so no more "agh, I forgot to run /sbin/lilo so now I can't boot. HELP!!" type of mails. //Anders -- 'Deserves [death]. I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.' --Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
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Also -- When I insert the SuSE 8.1 DVD into my Pioneer DVD 114 or DVD 116... will it work?
It worked with 7.3, but not when I bought 8.0. Have they sorted it out for 8.1? Or am I back to feeding CDs into the machine?
I saw earlier on this mailing list that, yes, the 8.1 DVD has no problem with Pionner drives. They probably took some other company to press the DVDs! - -- Thibaut Cousin email : cousin@in2p3.fr web : http://clrwww.in2p3.fr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9nas9v1vqsTa1E4oRAsyGAJ4qOruWUdBfD5oHM1jk6vAkQSJXXQCgtn7B z4wtNfd/Q0BJ6zImex+9aiw= =hwr6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
* Kevin McLauchlan (kmclauchlan@chrysalis-its.com) [021004 07:03]:
Yes, it's called YOU.
Um, Chris, somebody who doesn't know SuSE would probably think that you are being a smart-ass.
I hadn't thought of that. Original poster, I wasn't being a smart ass, really. -- -ckm
Op vrijdag 4 oktober 2002 02:04, schreef Christopher Mahmood:
2) is there automatic update system like redhat's up2date?
Yes, it's called YOU.
Ah, I would say that up2date compares better with the Advanced Package Tool (APT). More about apt at: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm Perhaps you even want to fully automate package upgrading? Than this information may be interesting for you: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/apt4rpm/apt4rpm/client/README?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup The scripts to automate package upgrading are here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/apt4rpm/apt4rpm/client/ -- Richard
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