Re: [opensuse] KMail5 Dependencies
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Xen Gesendet: Do. 28.04.2016 12:52 An: oS-en , Betreff: Re: [opensuse] KMail5 Dependencies *****SNIP******.
The whole point is really I think that Akonadi does not equal KDE.
You can use KDE just fine without it. No user of KDE should be forced to use that ****of crap*.
I understand your point. But you are not forced to use it. "akonatictl off" Done. You say: I want an email client that runs without akonadi. Then use TB. You say I want a standalone local email client that does not have a database and is stable. Well, who tells you that stable is also save these days with what the userspace offers. Obligations: Why do I have to install SAMBA if I have Wine installed. Why do I have always to blacklist avahi if I do not use it at all. The life is full of why. But samba you can uninstall but some libraries. And AVAHI you can blacklist it. And Akonadi? Well you CAN switch it off. Of course then you will not opt for software that REQUIRES it. This would be like buying an AUDI T8 instead of a Tesla and complain that it requires gasoline. You want electrical you buy Tesla. You want gas you buy Audi (or whatever). YOU choose, you are not forced. Of course your choice MAY influence the producer. But MAY is not MUST and your position MAY not be the one of the MAYORITY. Please note that the caps are intended as cursive not as "scream". Just for the netiquette. I do not know how to do cursive in plaintext as convention You may educate me if you do. So no aggressive intention. If ever you think that your position has people behind, ask to the KDE team to develop this or put together a team of pro's and enthusiasts for the new and wicked KDXENMAIL. :-)
I don't want to be married to a platform that is KDE only, that is going to store all of my personal data and emails in a faulty database that runs somewhere in /var/lib or whatever, or even in some user home directory subfolder that I don't know about.
So you choose a distribution without systemd, without akonadi, without zeroconf....how many users have really the power to control what is going on. How many are able to really understand permissions, apparmour, tomoyo, leave aside SLE settings. Did you try to understand the setting of PAM? I did. It is a DESPAIR. You may set somewhere DON'T do this. And there is written: depending on PAM settings this may be overwritten. And where do you find these PAM settings? And how many user know how to administer the system to that point??
A system that is not stable and not solid, not dependable and not resilient. And in no way failsafe.
Without polemic: so do not use software. To my knowledge there is currently nothing out there that resembles to what you claim. All software seems in constant flow, all with regressions and bugs.
I have always stayed away from "full solutions" that were not to my liking and it is one imortant reason I have never started using a Mac (other than the cost). Thunderbird is simple, a single package, easy to understand, stores it where you know it is, only weird thing is the naming of its profiles.
Acknowledged. So if Thunderbird is what you like and need. Where is the problem? Want KDE rocksolid without all modern things. Take Trinity. Want a Desktop that does not make you worry about the word choice and settings: take Gnome. Want to feel in "social company of the masses": Take MIR. So nobody forces your choice. But consider: if I want to buy a new laptop without paying the F***Kn "Marketleader" and without pre-installed "let us shoot you in the knee" software, i am quite forced.
(If you look at Netscape mail directories you will find it uses the exact same format as today's Thunderbird :p.
If you look at many devices they still use the very bad DOS FAT32 that was used so many years ago. :-o Now...is that an advantage? Not sure. NTFS: years old but...fast? Again YOU choose.
So for me once more, nothing much has improved in 10 years at least, much has regressed, and I'm happy to use IMAP but I find it hard to back up (remotely).
In a perfect world you use IMAP. Without all the bad guys out there. I do like my mail on my PC. That also is a choice. After all it seems we are quite "free to choose" with Linux, are we. And I have here a 12 year old PC (first generation 64 Bit Athlon Single core 939 Socket (for the young ones: look up in Wikipedia what was that socket Hint: the mainboard features a AGP/PCI-e hybrid slot. And yes, it runs well with Leap and TW still today. Bit slow but it does. Try this with other software! :-) Well for me things are not so dramatic. Regards --- Mail & Cloud Made in Germany mit 3 GB Speicher! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000450 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov@freenet.de schreef op 28-04-2016 13:58:
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Xen Gesendet: Do. 28.04.2016 12:52 An: oS-en , Betreff: Re: [opensuse] KMail5 Dependencies *****SNIP******.
The whole point is really I think that Akonadi does not equal KDE.
You can use KDE just fine without it. No user of KDE should be forced to use that ****of crap*.
I understand your point. But you are not forced to use it. "akonatictl off" Done. You say: I want an email client that runs without akonadi. Then use TB. You say I want a standalone local email client that does not have a database and is stable.
Blabla. I don't know what you are on about man. I voiced concerns for akonadi and how I deal with it at present. That's all. You seem to fall into the trap of thinking that the moment someone has an opinion, he has a problem, and that it needs instant solving using available tools and solutions. Not everyone voicing an opinion is looking for support you know. Maybe they are voicing an opinion (and an interest).
If ever you think that your position has people behind, ask to the KDE team to develop this or put together a team of pro's and enthusiasts for the new and wicked KDXENMAIL. :-)
Why don't you? I was not intending to do so (yet) so I'm not sure why you are commanding or advising me here. You seem to think I have only limited amounts of options available to me (as do others). Not everything needs an instant resolution, you know that? People don't listen to newbies unless they have some really well thought out plan or whatever that you can present to them, and even then it depends on who you are, who they are, and what you have to offer. Going to developers with every and any random idea you have doesn't do anything for anyone. Also, to think that every idea a person might have instantly implies that person can dedicate his life to that idea, is just nonsensical. Gaining traction with others is the first thing you can do with anything, and the more people think a certain way, the higher chances of anything ever materializing. So apparently you don't get what I'm doing (as once more (not necessarily directed to you)). I'm just talking about something you know. People do that. They talk. They go up to someone and then they talk about an idea. No course of action required at any moment whatsoever. Not until that idea is ready to be pitched to someone more important, but many times you need to be noticed first etc. etc. I mean :-/. Where's the rush you know. So the question is not whether I have people behind it. The question is whether you or anyone else is behind it. It's about you, it's about anyone. It's about everyone. You are right now that person listening to or hearing about that idea. Perhaps. So, job done, right?
In a perfect world you use IMAP. Without all the bad guys out there.
I don't care about your choice but in this case for my personal situation I do have a commercial IMAP provider that I have instant email technical support with. They are not bad guys and they store their own thing on some local or regional (close by) storage provider. They are the best customer support I have ever had even though sometimes they are lacking. But mostly out of an arrogance. So basically what it comes down to is that I pay about €3 per month for email, webmail, ssh access, ftp access, and a little bit of disk space (250 mb) and often almost instant email support (can call them as well, never did before). I think I have been a customer there since at least 2007, maybe before even. Then they have web hosting but not cheap, you pay extra for PHP+MySQL, domains are also not very cheap with them, but you pay for the convenience I guess. 1GB extra also costs a bit of money. Very very very different from a Gmail or whatever. If email is so important in your life, why not pay for it you know. Makes no sense whatsoever to not pay for it. So no, there is no problem, except problems that software developers recognise and they start thinking about (longer term) solutions. If I have any problem it is clear talking about it is the first step right? Like I said Thunderbird has once thrown away 2 months of important email just like that, the developers don't care about it, the people manning the forums don't care about it, there are threads there everywhere about people losing email, and no one gives a shit. One guy had a client paying him and that person's thunderbird kept throwing away email. I mean screw Mozilla for what that goes. Anyway, regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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