Does Microsoft now agree on this?

-- // Janne

Does your mom agree you should have something to do right now? Play with new toys? Marcio --- Druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, 10. April 2007 17:08:24 Janne Karhunen wrote:

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The deal is simply not about allowing usage/introduction of patents. Does Microsoft now agree on this?

I don't think that there was ever disagreement about the content of the deal but rather about the comprehension of the background why each party made it. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 06:36, James Watkins wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 14:06, Emils wrote:

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http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/10/0252229&from=rss

"openSUSE 10.2 no longer enables ClearType. (which would improve the appearance of fonts)

Is that the same ClearType that makes the fonts go all fuzzy in Windows? I love that feature , it makes me feel like I've had a 4-pack of Special Brew.

The whole business of optimizing font rendering on low-to-medium-resolution devices such as CRTs and LCD displays is very non-trivial. I have found that it takes a lot of trial-and-error experimentation to get a combination of font rendering parameters and type faces for any given video card / display combination. It should be noted that VGA introduces a very noticeable amount of "blur," as well. It seems to go unnoticed with CRTs, but becomes starkly visible in an A/B comparison with a DVI-connected LCD display. But even then, it depends on the video interface, whether VGA or DVI. Tom's Hardware did an in-depth review of DVI cards a few years ago. Their conclusion was that ATI had the best, and it's what I chose when I got my first DVI-equipped LCD display. I am very pleased with the quality of its video and especially its type display (once the system software is suitably optimized, of course). The best I've ever done is under SuSE Linux 10.0 with the so-called bytecode interpreter enabled. The final version of openSUSE 10.2 does almost as well. I've never got a Windows installation to do as well. And Adobe (of all people) doesn't do all that well in Reader, either, which handles all its own font rendering.

Cheers, James.

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 10:24, Druid wrote:

Still, there is a post of every beta, alpha, whisper of ubuntu. Heck, there was 2 posts on debian release. But there were none about anything related to opensuse.

We should ignore them, as they ignore openSUSE. The site has lost relevance its been a while, which means its goin in the right way... Druid... get a clue dude...

... Novell made a serious mistake with the community when they entered into that "deal" with M$. They're not trolls--- they're pissed. And you have it the other way around... they are ignoring openSUSE.... except today of course when they pointed out that because of the "deal" with M$ openSUSE fans have to live with fuzzy fonts... sheeeesh. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:16, Druid wrote:

Do I need to show you the door? You couldn't show me the door with both hands, a flashlight, and a set of instructions.

Stay Tuned For Updates , dude. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Im waiting for the updates, but since you are clueless, Im not sure if there will be any Well, lets see, just a quick poke through the Slashdot archives at random finds enough suse press clues that even a lame druid can understand (if

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:27, Druid wrote: trolls could read)... nope not a suse press release for decades.... sheeeeesh. SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Released On July 17th, 2006 with 36 comments MrHoolio writes "SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 has been officially released. This long-awaited/anticipated release is a make-or-break release for Novell. It... Linux » SuSE, Linux Business, Linux SUSE Linux Becomes openSUSE On July 13th, 2006 with 55 comments houghi writes "With the anouncement of the release of SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha 2 there is also an anouncement that SUSE Linux will be renamend to openSUSE. A... SUSE Linux Enterprise 10, a Closer Look On July 8th, 2006 with 273 comments Tripperfish writes "Mad Penguin's Adam Doxtater has published an in-depth review of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, Novell's alleged 'Vista Killer.' From the... Novell Releases SUSE Linux Enterprise RC3 On June 29th, 2006 with 38 comments MrHoolio writes "Yesterday morning Novell publicly annouced the free availability of release candidate 3 of the SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 products. Both the... -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 08:27, Druid wrote:

Find me one now after the MS deal, and find one about 10.2 release

have a good day

Marcio Yes, I know. That was my point. The Novell deal with M$ offended the Linux community... a little like high treason--- just without the rope. You must understand that Novell can say (and has said) that SLES and SLED (and maybe openSUSE also) are the *only* linux distros sanctioned by M$... against which FUD... and more FUD to come... will coerce IT managers to use SLED SLES vs RHES (or fedora) (whatever)... many many many people also make their living distribution linux... as it should be... and Novell steps in with M$ to continue the strong arm coercion tactics that M$ is famous for... bah.

Yes this deal has the appearance of giving linux a better overall saturation in the enterprise, and maybe even positive exposure for the home market... but it *hurts* the international community of linux developers generally. It hurts freedom, and it hurts computer science. You must understand that many of us fools are working very hard (not so that M$ and Linux play well together in the sandbox) rather to make certain that M$ gets scooped from the sandbox... kinda like cleaning kitty litter... :) Novell lost its Slashdot internet presence when it decided to play the coercion card with M$. The deal with Slashdot is not that they are giving preferential treatment to Ubuntu (for instance) but rather more importantly they are making a simple statement regarding freedom. I respect your opinion, and your job/salary... I understand all of that. But more important to me than my salary... where I work... etc,... is that freedom comes first. Some of us work towards a list... its not lame, and its not foolishness: No closed / proprietary software, period. No closed formats... MP3, Flash, etc No closed exclusionary deals No coercive marketing tactics... I'll make you a bet... you break the pact with M$ and whalla... it will be front page news on Slashdot... probably for days... and then followed by a clean review of 10.3a and why Suse is the better way to go (vs Ubuntu) for newbies.... blah blah blah.... Frankly a lot of folks are still trying to figure out how they feel about it... now, you may feel that Slashdot is irrelevant now... but who cares what capitalism thinks about free expression... on the other hand... you might want to consider that free expression can benefit the right capitalist who puts her/his money in the right places... and putting Novell money with M$ was a mistake that will have ranging consequences. (two cents) (if you want to talk about it, please don't swear at me, thanks) Best to you and yours.., -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/12/07, Druid wrote:

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Yes, I know. That was my point.

You dont have a point.

no, "druid" ... it is you that have no point

No need for cheap talking and random off-topic thoughts of yourself. Nobody is interested

please do not pretend to speak for me

I dont need a lesson about linux. I have no doubts that if I was actually needing one, it wouldnt be you.

I do not necessarily agree with everything that M. Harris has to say. I think his views are too extreme, and that he doesn't want to accept, that there are good people and good tools that have not (yet?) caught the FOSS religion. But what he say, is said with intelligence and sometimes wit. You, on the other hand, are a fool -- at least by the example of your words.

you dont have anything to say, just dont say it, there is no point in sending lots of emails with comments about ms novell deal that is not the topic of this thread, and explaining the world why you would solve and handle the situation.

You are not in charge and we dont care about how it should be done,

Please, again, never attempt to include ME in YOUR "we" ... Peter -- "One of the penalties of an ecological education, is that one lives alone in a world of wounds." Aldo Leopold A Sand Count Almanac www.the-brights.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Please, again, never attempt to include ME in YOUR "we" ...

Again, if you dont have anything to say about the thread, dont post it. You are not supposed to do so. One of the few emails on-topic in this thread was mine. Stop wasting your and my time time crying and letting me know Im bad and etc etc. I couldnt care less. What I care is much more clear, and it is taht I care about suse linux, which is this topic. Dont demostrate you are very offended or very pissed, as I dont give a damn. And dont post if you dont have anything useful to say about the thread, as it seems you dont. Marcio --- druid

Peter

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On 4/10/07, Druid wrote:

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Stay Tuned For Updates , dude.

Im waiting for the updates, but since you are clueless, Im not sure if there will be any

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:48, dwain wrote:

I understand that M$ and Novell have cut some kind of a deal so are the updates you are waiting for dealing with updates about the deal or updates for opensuse? Sorry dwain... go on with your life...

... evey now and then we need to kill a dragon or two... you know... flame a troll here or there... and keep the streets safe for people who can think. Have lots of fun, and don't pay any attention to that little crazy man behind the curtain... (he's the great and powerful OZ)... -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:00, Druid wrote:

annoyed with me (and you can bet Im not going to stop), life and novell, why dont you go cry in silence somewhere and make no further posts? Annoyed with you? ANNOYED WITH YOU?

... you insulted the Slashdot community, made false statements regarding the integrity of those same people without basis in fact, and while completely missing the point of the Slashdot article (pointing out the first serious consequence for the community relating to the M$ deal), you decided to signoff with a personal insult for me (and anyone else with sensibilities) by telling me to stfu. Do you believe that abbreviating your vulgar disrespect for myself (and others, and yourself) makes the use of that vulgarity OK? Sooooo, if you can't communicate with anything other than vulgar [ Stupid Tongue FU ]---- then please be quiet. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/10/07, Druid wrote:

I see. So since you make a threat and dont have anything to do, and is annoyed with me (and you can bet Im not going to stop), life and novell, why dont you go cry in silence somewhere and make no further posts?

thanks a lot

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oh no, another newbie invading the thread say it aint so On 4/10/07, JB2 wrote:

On Tue 10 April 07 21:00, Druid wrote:

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On 4/10/07, M Harris wrote:

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:48, dwain wrote:

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I understand that M$ and Novell have cut some kind of a deal so are the updates you are waiting for dealing with updates about the deal or updates for opensuse?

Sorry dwain... go on with your life...

... evey now and then we need to kill a dragon or two... you know... flame a troll here or there... and keep the streets safe for people who can think. Have lots of fun, and don't pay any attention to that little crazy man behind the curtain... (he's the great and powerful OZ)...

I see. So since you make a threat and dont have anything to do, and is annoyed with me (and you can bet Im not going to stop), life and novell, why dont you go cry in silence somewhere and make no further posts?

You first, please.

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thanks a lot

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On 4/10/07, M Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:38, Druid wrote:

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oh no, another newbie invading the thread

I was just noticing that over that past several days of hundreds of accumulated threads related to openSUSE--- you were involved in four of them... and each and every time you managed to directly insult one of more individuals (usually with profane vulgarity) and with total disregard for the feelings of the present recipient or of the sensibilities of the people that frequent this list generally. Is there a reason for this... I mean, were you abused as a child or something..?

no, the reason is because I dont like fools, and you are one And beside that you are bring bullshit to the mailing list, which I shouldnt really care, but this time I do, so you've got your answer. Now just shut the fuck up Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/10/07, M Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 22:07, Druid wrote:

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I dont like fools, and you are one

And beside that you are bring bullshit to the mailing list, Who is the greater fool... ?

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... God bless you, and good night.

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 19:07, M Harris wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:38, Druid wrote:

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oh no, another newbie invading the thread

I was just noticing that over that past several days of hundreds of accumulated threads related to openSUSE--- you were involved in four of them... and each and every time you managed to directly insult one of more individuals (usually with profane vulgarity) and with total disregard for the feelings of the present recipient or of the sensibilities of the people that frequent this list generally. Is there a reason for this... I mean, were you abused as a child or something..?

I'm sure the real reason is that he wants us all to see if we can figure out how to use our kill filters in Kmail. That, or he's a Micro$oft troll trying to ensure open-suse mailing lists drive people away. Oh well, I have a couple of filters to add.... -- bob@rsmits.ca "What a wonder is USENET; such wholesale production of conjecture from such a trifling investment in fact." -- Carl S. Gutekunst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/22/07, Robert Smits wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 19:07, M Harris wrote:

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:38, Druid wrote:

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oh no, another newbie invading the thread

I was just noticing that over that past several days of hundreds of accumulated threads related to openSUSE--- you were involved in four of them... and each and every time you managed to directly insult one of more individuals (usually with profane vulgarity) and with total disregard for the feelings of the present recipient or of the sensibilities of the people that frequent this list generally. Is there a reason for this... I mean, were you abused as a child or something..?

I'm sure the real reason is that he wants us all to see if we can figure out how to use our kill filters in Kmail. That, or he's a Micro$oft troll trying to ensure open-suse mailing lists drive people away.

Oh well, I have a couple of filters to add....

Yes, he is a jerk. I have filtered him too, as he's only trying to annoy people. I wish there was a way to ban people from a list... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:48, dwain wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:42, Druid wrote:

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On 4/10/07, Druid wrote:

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Stay Tuned For Updates , dude.

Im waiting for the updates, but since you are clueless, Im not sure if there will be any

Im still waiting, bozo

At the risk of getting too involved in this flame war, would one of you clue me in as to the updates that are being waited for? I understand that M$ and Novell have cut some kind of a deal so are the updates you are waiting for dealing with updates about the deal or updates for opensuse?

Kindly regards, Dwain As one can see by going to Distro Watch http://distrowatch.com/

Open SuSE is ranked number 2. A position it has helled for years just as Ubuntu has helled the number one position for years. Rank Distribution H.P.D* 1 Ubuntu 2682 2 openSUSE 2229 3 Fedora 1552 4 PCLinux OS1269 5 MEPI S1174 6 Mandriva 1039 7 Debian 979 8 Sabayon 811 9 DamnSmal l772 10 Slackware 672 11 KNOPPIX 606 12 Gentoo 571 13 Zenwalk 548 14 Mint 537 15 Kubuntu 496 16 FreeBSD 490 17 Vector 441 18 Freespire 436 19 Puppy 433 20 Dreamlinux 412 21 CentOS 406 22 Ubuntu CE 351 23 Arch 315 24 Elive 298 25 Xubuntu 294 26 Xandros 290 27 SLAX 289 28 Red Hat 281 29 PC-BSD 250 30 KANOTIX 228 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue 10 April 07 20:27, Druid wrote: Nothing worth reading. <PLONK> -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words and matches cause arson. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Druid... get a clue dude...

Well that is grand, maybe you should start by getting a clue yourself.

... Novell made a serious mistake with the community when they entered into that "deal" with M$. They're not trolls--- they're pissed. And you have it the other way around...

Novell made such a serious mistake shaking about, pissed off Ubuntu and bunch of other OSS extremist all over us, we should run for cover... i can look everywhere and the only thing i see is the SAME FAN BASE that always been around the distro (and dumb ass of your like whining about thing that their little head still wasn't able to assimilate) BEEHHHHHH BEEEEEHHHH said the sheep. HO yeah that and the User Base constantly rising.

they are ignoring openSUSE....

Ignoring isn't quite the word.. i would say playing the vulture.

except today of course when they pointed out that because of the "deal" with M$ openSUSE fans have to live with fuzzy fonts...

See what i mean by totally clueless, it is transpiring by every single vowel of the phrase... But it's alright lets just call you "special". Now can you please leave now and let us rot alone we would thankful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/11/07, David Brodbeck wrote:

Druid wrote:

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Slashdot is trolling for a long time about openSUSE. They dont publish a single openSUSE news for decades, unless its ms/novell FUD.

Complaining that there are trolls on Slashdot is like complaining that there are clowns at the circus.

yeah, it wasnt exactly a complain, it was more like a clarification.. which, some people need... right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your company, product and your salary -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/11/07, jdd wrote:

Druid wrote:

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right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your company, product and your salary

don't follow such advice, you would be charged of censorship...

yeah, jdd, lets make some barbecue and hamburger ads in some vegetarian community site. What do you think? Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:15:54AM -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 4/10/07, Druid wrote:

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right, novell marketing folks? Can you read this? If you can, remind next time to not PAY the people that are trying to bring down your company, product and your salary

2 inaccuracies here:

1)really that is not how marketing works. You notice that Microsoft brings adverts to Linux-focused publications. Why? Because advertising is about "eyeballs" and name recognition.

2)"Slashdot" is NOT trying to "bring down Novell". How siully. There are some Slashdot submitters/editors that have this bias, yes. But, I look at Slashdot each day (I find it a convenient and sometimes interesting sweep of thing going on) and I must say that I have also seen some Suse-positive posts and plenty of positive comments to even the posts that are negative. "Slashdot" is a business ..."they" as an entity could care less about the fate of Suse.

Finally, I agree that the tone of the slashdot post was ridiculous. The title "Open Suse hobbled by Microsoft patent agreement" or some such thing ... plain absurd. Just wrong. The poster (who may have had an agenda, who knows) failed to do even a tiny bit of looking into the thing.

Slashdot is in for 1 thing, just like any other journal, publicity. So any controversial topic they can get their hands on is Good News for them. ;) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 08:32, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Btw. here's another official statement from our PR folks:

http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?m=20070410

Andreas Thanks, Andreas. That is what I want to keep seeing from Novell... good solid communication.... helps everyone.

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