babu walad wrote:

Hi Scott,

In fact I did read the README and it was confusing. Your explanation is confusing. If I understand the README, there should be 5 CDs for 9.3 pro, one DVD for 9.3 pro, and one DVD for 9.3 live eval. There should be 2 DVD iso images. I see only one. I guess I still don't understand the difference because the label on the C dvs DVD is pro vs. eval.

The download DVD, like the boxed set DVD contains both 32 & 64 bit versions. However, it contains fewer 32 bit packages than the boxed set DVD. This may be due to fitting it on a single layer DVD, whereas the boxed DVD is dual layer. Regardless of the install source, missing packages can be installed from the mirrors. You can configure Yast to look to one of those mirrors, instead of the CD/DVD, when installing new packages.

On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 16:12 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

From what I have seen about the DVD on Novell's site, it is a parred down version of the boxed 32/64 bit editions. Here are the md5sum and

the DVD size. SUSE-LINUX-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 04d2ebe4e0b8b00bc83cdc180a79e667 4.5 GB A friend has a similar DVD for 9.2. It can install 32 or 64 bit version. Such a CD existed for up to SuSE 6.x, from 7.x they discontinued it. Looks like Novell has resurrected the eval. version from 9.x onwards. http://downloademea.novell.com/Download?buildid=w0eJkmg6Xkw~ Excerpt from above link: SUSE LINUX 9.3 Professional, Installable DVD Evaluation This free offering will enable Linux users to trial the latest open source desktop, server and application functionality that has become the hallmark of the SUSE LINUX consumer distribution. key features * a comprehensive selection of applications to facilitate a wide variety of computing tasks (office suite, email, Internet, picture processing, multimedia and more) plus a subset of packages for advanced users, including key networking and development packages such as SAMBA, Apache Web server, KDevelop, Mono and more. * 32bit and 64bit version * over 1,000 software packages

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

This is the contents of:

Index of /pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Name Last modified Size Description

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[DIR] Parent Directory 19-Jul-2005 14:19 - [ ] 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 03-Jun-2005 15:12 57.0M [TXT] MD5SUMS 19-Jul-2005 12:53 1k [TXT] README_eval.txt 29-Jun-2005 14:02 6k [ ] SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 184M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 696M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 676M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 697M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 669M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 681M

As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

In another note, I posted a link to a mirror that contains what I described.

Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 15:40 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

This is the contents of:

Index of /pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Name Last modified Size Description

________________________________________________________________________

[DIR] Parent Directory 19-Jul-2005 14:19 - [ ] 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 03-Jun-2005 15:12 57.0M [TXT] MD5SUMS 19-Jul-2005 12:53 1k [TXT] README_eval.txt 29-Jun-2005 14:02 6k [ ] SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 184M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 696M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 676M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 697M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 669M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 681M

As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

In another note, I posted a link to a mirror that contains what I described.

Yes as you can see the "eval" iso is there, but the OP was looking for a 64 bit install DVD iso which IS missing. Quoted from the "eval-DVD" text file

* When delivered on 5 CD ISOs, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 requires 5 separate downloads of 650MB each, 3.3GB in total) * When delivered on a single DVD ISO, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 required one download of 4.5 GB

Where is the 4.5 GB file that is supposed to be used as a 64 bit -install- DVD? No where, it is missing. The text file even quotes estimated download times for the iso's.

Others have also replied to your posts. One thing that's obvious, is that you're apparently the only one who can't see that 4.2 GB ISO.

James Knott wrote:

Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

This is the contents of:

Index of /pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Name Last modified Size Description

________________________________________________________________________

[DIR] Parent Directory 19-Jul-2005 14:19 - [ ] 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 03-Jun-2005 15:12 57.0M [TXT] MD5SUMS 19-Jul-2005 12:53 1k [TXT] README_eval.txt 29-Jun-2005 14:02 6k [ ] SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 184M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 696M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 676M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 697M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 669M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 681M

As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

In another note, I posted a link to a mirror that contains what I described.

*ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/ (New York, Buffalo)* * DVD ISO image (32bit + 64bit, 4,3 GB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso * md5 sum ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/MD5SUMS * CD ISO image 1 (32bit, 696 MB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.i... * md5 sums ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/MD5SUMS * CD ISO image 2 (32bit, 676 MB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.i... * CD ISO image 3 (32bit, 697 MB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.i... * CD ISO image 4 (32bit, 669 MB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.i... * CD ISO image 5 (32bit, 681 MB) ftp://trane.caset.buffalo.edu/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.i... -- Hans hanskrueger@adelphia.net

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:45 -0500, Scott Jones wrote:

On Thursday 21 July 2005 13:54, Ken Schneider wrote:

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As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

Could be that whatever you are using to look at that is reporting the wrong size.

Using Firefox 1.0.6:

Index of ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Up to higher level directory Directory: 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 06/29/2005 02:06:00 PM File: MD5SUMS 1 KB 07/19/2005 10:53:00 AM File: README_eval.txt 6 KB 06/29/2005 12:02:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 4383158 KB 07/01/2005 09:27:00 AM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 712356 KB 07/01/2005 09:27:00 AM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 692028 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 713926 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 685280 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 697104 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM

I am using Firefox 1.0.4 and shows the file as 184M just as I stated in an earlier post. Perhaps there is a problem with the version of Firefox that shipped with SuSE 9.3. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

DVD ISO is not only 184MB, it's 4.5GB you need to update your ftp client to recognise large files! On 7/21/05, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

This is the contents of:

Index of /pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Name Last modified Size Description

________________________________________________________________________

[DIR] Parent Directory 19-Jul-2005 14:19 - [ ] 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 03-Jun-2005 15:12 57.0M [TXT] MD5SUMS 19-Jul-2005 12:53 1k [TXT] README_eval.txt 29-Jun-2005 14:02 6k [ ] SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 184M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 696M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 676M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 697M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 669M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 681M

As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 18:53 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:53 +0200, Jie Li wrote:

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DVD ISO is not only 184MB, it's 4.5GB you need to update your ftp client to recognise large files!

I wasn't aware the Firefox was an FTP client. And please do not top post. It tells me someone is to lazy to edit their response and put their answer after the part they are responding to.

Just tried something different. I usually use http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3 to look at the contents (notice http instead of ftp) because it is much faster to browse around. When I used ftp:// instead of http:// the correct sizes show. Perhaps this is a bug in mozilla/firefox/konquerer that needs to be fixed. All three show the file as 184M when using http:// to browse and shows 4383158 KB for mozilla/firefox and 4.2 GB for konquerer when using ftp:// -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Schneider"

Just tried something different. I usually use http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3 to look at the contents (notice http instead of ftp) because it is much faster to browse around. When I used ftp:// instead of http:// the correct sizes show. Perhaps this is a bug in mozilla/firefox/konquerer that needs to be fixed. All three show the file as 184M when using http:// to browse and shows 4383158 KB for mozilla/firefox and 4.2 GB for konquerer when using ftp://

Ken, We all have those days. And when it happens, I've always found crow tastes a little better with salt...... Keep the faith. And, for the record, I haven't seen the 64bit iso either... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN LAW FIRM, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com --

Ken Schneider writes:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 18:53 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 21:53 +0200, Jie Li wrote:

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DVD ISO is not only 184MB, it's 4.5GB you need to update your ftp client to recognise large files!

I wasn't aware the Firefox was an FTP client. And please do not top post. It tells me someone is to lazy to edit their response and put their answer after the part they are responding to.

Just tried something different. I usually use http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3 to look at the contents (notice http instead of ftp) because it is much faster to browse around. When I used ftp:// instead of http:// the correct sizes show. Perhaps this is a bug in mozilla/firefox/konquerer that needs to be fixed. All three show the file as 184M when using http:// to browse and shows 4383158 KB for mozilla/firefox and 4.2 GB for konquerer when using ftp://

No, a bug in apache - in cannot show files larger than 2 GB, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Ken Schneider [Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:26]:

You would think that since filesystems have supported files larger than 2 GB for a long time that the folks at apache would have started to as well.

Apache has optional support, but currently that would change the apache API, making it incompatible with modules that were compiled against standard apache. AFAIR, 2.2 will have full support for LFS. Philipp

On Thursday, July 21, 2005 @ 10:54 AM, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

This is the contents of:

Index of /pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Name Last modified Size Description

________________________________________________________________________

[DIR] Parent Directory 19-Jul-2005 14:19 - [ ] 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 03-Jun-2005 15:12 57.0M [TXT] MD5SUMS 19-Jul-2005 12:53 1k [TXT] README_eval.txt 29-Jun-2005 14:02 6k [ ] SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 184M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 01-Jul-2005 11:27 696M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 676M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 697M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 669M [ ] SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 27-Jun-2005 14:10 681M

As you can see there is NO install DVD for 64 bit. Perhaps someone at SuSE forgot to add the file.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

Ken: When I go here, I see a DVD ISO that is 3.99 GB in size. ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/ Greg Wallace

On Friday, July 22, 2005 @ 8:17 -0400 AM, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 19:08 -0800, Greg Wallace wrote:

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Ken:

When I go here, I see a DVD ISO that is 3.99 GB in size.

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/

Greg Wallace

Yes but when you go here you see the iso as 184M.

http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/

There appears to be a problem in the way apache displays the size as any browser that I use shows the same results.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

Yeah, I saw those earlier posts. Sounds like maybe Apache is moving the size number to a display work area that is too small and is therefore truncating high-order bits? Greg Wallace

On Friday, July 22, 2005 @ 4:28 AM I wrote:

On Friday, July 22, 2005 @ 8:17 -0400 AM, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 19:08 -0800, Greg Wallace wrote:

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Ken:

When I go here, I see a DVD ISO that is 3.99 GB in size.

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/

Greg Wallace

Yes but when you go here you see the iso as 184M.

...

http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso/

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There appears to be a problem in the way apache displays the size as any browser that I use shows the same results.

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-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

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"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

Yeah, I saw those earlier posts. Sounds like maybe Apache is moving the size number to a display work area that is too small and is therefore truncating high-order bits?

Greg Wallace

And maybe need to add ELSE IF SIZE > 1073741824 THEN DISP_SIZE := size / 1073741824; RPT_SIZE := DISP_SIZE || 'G'; END IF; END IF; Greg Wallace

Ken Schneider writes:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:41 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Please read the README_eval.txt, in the ISO directory on the mirrors.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and

Ken, there should be an ISO and there's on on ftp.suse.com

...

the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

In that case your ftp client/browser is broken. With firefox from 9.3 I see: Index of ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/iso Up to higher level directory Directory: 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso 06/29/2005 02:06:00 PM File: MD5SUMS 1 KB 07/19/2005 10:53:00 AM File: README_eval.txt 6 KB 06/29/2005 12:02:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso 4383158 KB 07/01/2005 09:27:00 AM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 712356 KB 07/01/2005 09:27:00 AM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 692028 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso 713926 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 685280 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM File: SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 697104 KB 06/27/2005 12:10:00 PM Note that not every mirror might have the DVD iso, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Thursday 21 July 2005 20:41, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 07:33 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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There is no install DVD available for download. The only 64 bit iso is for network install only.

Did you even bother to actually check ftp.suse.com or the mirrors. There is NO DVD iso available. The ONLY iso's available are the 5 cd set and the 64 bit network install iso. Also the eval DVD iso is there, although it is only 184M which will fit on a standard CD instead of a DVD.

You might want to check the mirror you are using.. I found it at ftp.gwdg.de. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.3 Kernel 2.6.11 KDE 3.4.0 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 10:03pm up 1 day 2:28, 3 users, load average: 2.47, 2.35, 2.44