[opensuse] Problems with KDE-4.0
I've installed version 4.0 from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3/ but main programs don't work. So there is no Kmail, kopete has no services, i cannot scan my music files with amarok on a network drive. Amarok has no mysql support and so on and so on! Many problems, also i cannot change my kicker setup, there is only this ugly taskbar with this big icons. Icons on desktop are not aligned. Any other? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Frank Fiene wrote:
I've installed version 4.0 from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3/
but main programs don't work.
So there is no Kmail, kopete has no services, i cannot scan my music files with amarok on a network drive. Amarok has no mysql support and so on and so on!
Many problems, also i cannot change my kicker setup, there is only this ugly taskbar with this big icons. Icons on desktop are not aligned.
Any other?
You will, of course, get the usual responses stating that everything works well for 'them' so the problem obviously is with your set-up and, therefore, you should submit a bugzilla, detailing everything, including the size of your shoes, before anyone considers your 'complaint' even worthy of attention. Having stated this, I thank you for your message and have concluded that much passage of time will have to occur before I even consider trying to install KDE4 :-) . Ciao. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sonntag 13 Januar 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
Frank Fiene wrote:
You will, of course, get the usual responses stating that everything works well for 'them' so the problem obviously is with your set-up and, therefore, you should submit a bugzilla, detailing everything, including the size of your shoes, before anyone considers your 'complaint' even worthy of attention.
Having stated this, I thank you for your message and have concluded that much passage of time will have to occur before I even consider trying to install KDE4 :-) .
Yes it seems to be no one klick installation yet. There are many good ideas like desktop icons configuring like an mini application. I like also the new kcontrol. But this is all KDE4, it will be a big improvement but the openSUSE packages are far away from usuable if you have to use kmail, kopete etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:52:57 am Frank Fiene wrote:
On Sonntag 13 Januar 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
Frank Fiene wrote:
You will, of course, get the usual responses stating that everything works well for 'them' so the problem obviously is with your set-up and, therefore, you should submit a bugzilla, detailing everything, including the size of your shoes, before anyone considers your 'complaint' even worthy of attention.
Having stated this, I thank you for your message and have concluded that much passage of time will have to occur before I even consider trying to install KDE4 :-) .
Yes it seems to be no one klick installation yet.
There are many good ideas like desktop icons configuring like an mini application. I like also the new kcontrol. But this is all KDE4, it will be a big improvement but the openSUSE packages are far away from usuable if you have to use kmail, kopete etc.
To disappoint Basil, this time the answer is different. This is first release in KDE4 series and it is created just as any before, under common opensource development idea to release software often. In the opensource world there is no test lab, and there is no finished product idea as functionality is added on the go, not by customer or marketing department specifications. What confused many, including me, is the version addon like Beta, than RC that I deciphered in the same way as openSUSE Beta or RC. I have forgotten that open source has no common standards for version numbering, that will associate certain features and code quality to the number. For instance k3b in openSUSE 10.3 is now version 1.03 and it is fine software for a long time before it was 1.0. Smart is 0.51 and already works fine. Each developer gives numbers as he/she finds fit, so one has to ask developer for explanation, or simply try software and see the features, not to assume from number what is included. More details you can find in http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 title 'What to expect of KDE 4.0'. They provide 3 links to articles that explain how KDE developers see the version numbering -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 13 January 2008 08:52:57 am Frank Fiene wrote:
On Sonntag 13 Januar 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
Frank Fiene wrote:
You will, of course, get the usual responses stating that everything works well for 'them' so the problem obviously is with your set-up and, therefore, you should submit a bugzilla, detailing everything, including the size of your shoes, before anyone considers your 'complaint' even worthy of attention.
Having stated this, I thank you for your message and have concluded that much passage of time will have to occur before I even consider trying to install KDE4 :-) .
Yes it seems to be no one klick installation yet.
There are many good ideas like desktop icons configuring like an mini application. I like also the new kcontrol. But this is all KDE4, it will be a big improvement but the openSUSE packages are far away from usuable if you have to use kmail, kopete etc.
To disappoint Basil,
You are not, in any way, 'disappointing' me. I am beyond 'disappointment' :-) .
this time the answer is different. Oh? How so?
This is first release in KDE4 series and it is created just as any before, under common opensource development idea to release software often. In the opensource world there is no test lab, and there is no finished product idea as functionality is added on the go, not by customer or marketing department specifications.
So, according to this, 'CHAOS' reigns - "and all is well with the world".
What confused many, including me, is the version addon like Beta, than RC that I deciphered in the same way as openSUSE Beta or RC. I have forgotten that open source has no common standards for version numbering, that will associate certain features and code quality to the number.
Perhaps, then, it is time that some "method in the madness" be introduced for the benefit of the 'common good - ie, the 'punters who use the software' - no?
For instance k3b in openSUSE 10.3 is now version 1.03 and it is fine software for a long time before it was 1.0. Smart is 0.51 and already works fine. Ahem..... smart, which I have installed in 10.3, is 0.52-5.1.
And I agree, it does work very well - much, much better than the zypper in 10.3 which I used for some time before realising that it was, once again, a dud. smart advises me that there are upgrades while zypper/YaST remains totally, and absolutely, dumb. And zypper/YaST were installed - and used for some weeks - as per the normal 10.3 insallation (smart was nowhere to be seen for weeks).
Each developer gives numbers as he/she finds fit,
I am sure that you did not really mean this. Even the leading exponent of 'chaos', "The OS which shall not be named", doesn't follow this concept.
so one has to ask developer for explanation, or simply try software and see the features, not to assume from number what is included.
More details you can find in http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 title 'What to expect of KDE 4.0'. They provide 3 links to articles that explain how KDE developers see the version numbering I accept this, but, unfortunately, I cannot boot the CD(s) created from
Kinda difficult to assume, or second-guess, what a developer has in mind if one accepts this idea. the downloaded ISO of the KDE4 LIVE made available a couple of days ago. Ciao. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:49:01 pm Basil Chupin wrote:
This is first release in KDE4 series and it is created just as any before, under common opensource development idea to release software often. In the opensource world there is no test lab, and there is no finished product idea as functionality is added on the go, not by customer or marketing department specifications.
So, according to this, 'CHAOS' reigns - "and all is well with the world".
What confused many, including me, is the version addon like Beta, than RC that I deciphered in the same way as openSUSE Beta or RC. I have forgotten that open source has no common standards for version numbering, that will associate certain features and code quality to the number.
Perhaps, then, it is time that some "method in the madness" be introduced for the benefit of the 'common good - ie, the 'punters who use the software' - no?
I was talking about open source software, but does punter that use software compare version of Adobe Photoshop vs. CorelDraw? No one sane requires that even two products from the same house have no common numbers. Simply, you can't describe 2 sets of features with single number and tell that it has any meaning.
For instance k3b in openSUSE 10.3 is now version 1.03 and it is fine software for a long time before it was 1.0. Smart is 0.51 and already works fine.
Ahem..... smart, which I have installed in 10.3, is 0.52-5.1.
~> cat /etc/SuSE-release openSUSE 10.3 (i586) VERSION = 10.3 ~> smart --version smart 0.51 This tells me what is part of your problem. You install software from different sources and expect that all will play well togeather. Forget that. I doesn't work well all the time. That is the main reason why SUSE (and any other distro), since ever, creates releases. They spend time balancing requirements of software packages and when all works well, they say this a release.
And I agree, it does work very well - much, much better than the zypper in 10.3 which I used for some time before realising that it was, once again, a dud. smart advises me that there are upgrades while zypper/YaST remains totally, and absolutely, dumb.
And zypper/YaST were installed - and used for some weeks - as per the normal 10.3 insallation (smart was nowhere to be seen for weeks).
Sincerely Smart is not all that smart. I installed it and when running 'smart --gui' it complained that 'it is missing interface gtk'. Very useless message. I have gtk installed for other applications that use it. ~> sudo rpm -qa gtk gtk2 gtk2-2.12.0-5.4 gtk-1.2.10-993 So I played a bit and found that is missing 'python-gtk'. Very funny. There is 111 hits if you ask for 'gtk' only.
Each developer gives numbers as he/she finds fit,
I am sure that you did not really mean this. Even the leading exponent of 'chaos', "The OS which shall not be named", doesn't follow this concept.
Everyone follows this concept. I just made mistake telling that is opensource property.
so one has to ask developer for explanation, or simply try software and see the features, not to assume from number what is included.
Kinda difficult to assume, or second-guess, what a developer has in mind if one accepts this idea.
It is not difficult, it is MI (mission impossible). Looking on software project page one can decipher meaning of the number, and apply result to follow that project alone.
More details you can find in http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 title 'What to expect of KDE 4.0'. They provide 3 links to articles that explain how KDE developers see the version numbering
I accept this, but, unfortunately, I cannot boot the CD(s) created from the downloaded ISO of the KDE4 LIVE made available a couple of days ago.
Some detail might be helpful, specially if posted on opensuse-kde list. KDE developers seems to be busy recently developing KDE4 and still maintaining KDE3, so there is not much time left to browse mail lists for posts about KDE. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:49:01 pm Basil Chupin wrote:
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For instance k3b in openSUSE 10.3 is now version 1.03 and it is fine software for a long time before it was 1.0. Smart is 0.51 and already works fine.
Ahem..... smart, which I have installed in 10.3, is 0.52-5.1.
~> cat /etc/SuSE-release openSUSE 10.3 (i586) VERSION = 10.3
~> smart --version smart 0.51
This tells me what is part of your problem. You install software from different sources and expect that all will play well togeather.
If you care to look in the openSUSE Build Service repository you will find the latest smart package there, and if you look inside the RPM package for smart you will see the entry, "Vendor: OpenSUSE Build Service". Ciao. [rest pruned] -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Frank Fiene wrote:
I've installed version 4.0 from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3/
but main programs don't work.
So there is no Kmail, kopete has no services, i cannot scan my music files with amarok on a network drive. Amarok has no mysql support and so on and so on!
Many problems, also i cannot change my kicker setup, there is only this ugly taskbar with this big icons. Icons on desktop are not aligned.
Any other?
KMail 4 (and all the PIM module apps) will not be released until 4.1, carry on using KMail 3 instead. Amarok 4 is not even part of the main KDE project and have their own release schedule, Amarok 2 is still at least 3 to 6 months away. Continue using Amarok 1 instead. Kopete, dunno, works fine for me with most services available (there, I said it). Kopete developers have stated this is jut a quick port with full new version coming in 4.1. Kicker is not kicker anymore, its Plasma, and it has been widely advertised that the config toolbox is not ready for it yet, expect it in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2. All officially released apps are working fine for me (there, said it again). The apps and the libraries are in great shape, the desktop just needs a little more polish. This has all been widely advertised that 4.0 would not bee feature equivalent to 3.5.8, if you can't cope with a 0.0 release then stick with the stable 3 branch. John. -- Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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