greg wrote:

Just curious how much C# and Visual Basic code you've written for SuSE Linux?

first time writting codes for linux

Even better, how much code of any kind have you written for any platform?

just hmtl, first time writting codes for suse, i am a beginner...bothers you?

If by some chance you really want to persue the above, just write the data acquisition parts in a C library, then link that library to your code in the language of your choice.

thanks, very simple...that´s what i needed... Juan.-

On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 10:19 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

Giving equal billing to Microsoft owned technology to more public technologies is not a great way to get support on a Linux forum. ie. C# and VB both come out of Microsoft and as far as I know MS totally controls them both. I doubt if I'm the only one that found reference to them on this list annoying.

More humorous than annoying for me. Real time Visual Basic? Is there such a thing? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB

Greg Freemyer wrote:

On 11/21/05, JUAN ERNESTO FLORES BELTRAN wrote:

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greg wrote:

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Just curious how much C# and Visual Basic code you've written for SuSE Linux?

first time writting codes for linux

...

Even better, how much code of any kind have you written for any platform?

just hmtl, first time writting codes for suse, i am a beginner...bothers you?

Giving equal billing to Microsoft owned technology to more public technologies is not a great way to get support on a Linux forum. ie. C# and VB both come out of Microsoft and as far as I know MS totally controls them both. I doubt if I'm the only one that found reference to them on this list annoying.

I did not find it annoying, I found it to be an opportunity to show a linux newcomer how helpful we can be. Point him toward kbasic or RealBasic. They are not open source, but they are not MS and they'll run on a linux box and maybe one day soon he'll be using kdevelop or C and C++. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing"

On Mon November 21 2005 19:28, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 05:04, John R. Sowden wrote:

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On Mon November 21 2005 13:54, JUAN ERNESTO FLORES BELTRAN wrote:

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Hi you all,

I am trying to develop a real time data system based on a National Instruments Data Acquisition Card, there are several options to connect to my computer by using different cards:

- USB 2.0 full speed bus interface - PCMCIA - PCI

All of these are linux Operating System compatible, and according to National Instruments recommendations the following are the compatible softwares to develop any application:

C , C++, C# and Visual basic

I am really interested on developing an application which allows me to create a real time graphic interface to monitor data vs time and save such data on a postgre or mysql database on real time as well. Thinking of developing on mono but it seems mono capabilities does not allow to get data from any of the mentioned ports….

Any suggestion??? What software should I use to get my system working??

Thanks for your help.- Juan

I just received a message from the author of kbasic, announcing the pro version. in the msg he says that kbasic follows the visual basic syntax exactly. A $25. license includes both win and lin platforms. Sounds line a lin lin to me.

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