[opensuse] Leap 15 live
May be you know this already, but Leap 15 is also available as a wonderful live: https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.0/live/ wonderful, because it's taking all the available room on a usb device. Yes, it takes all the room of, say, a 16Gb usb pen (preferably usb3), so all what you do is written, you can even make an update. great!! it's a small iso, under 1Gb, and after that it's "overlayed", I guess some sort of snapshot, and all the rest is written on ext4 partition seems to even be installable, that is there is an "install" icon on the desktop (not tested yet) seems to be a very good solution to my portable install... thanks all! jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-13 23:53, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
May be you know this already, but Leap 15 is also available as a wonderful live:
I just noticed today, reading the wiki. I haven't looked yet at which versions are available, though. [...] Gnome and KDE. I miss the XFCE one with rescue stuff. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (testing openSUSE Leap 15.0, at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/13/2018 05:53 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
May be you know this already, but Leap 15 is also available as a wonderful live:
https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.0/live/
wonderful, because it's taking all the available room on a usb device. Yes, it takes all the room of, say, a 16Gb usb pen....
That truly would be a nice feature. It's really a waste to put a, say, 4gb iso on a 32gb media and be wasting 28gb. But is it a property of the distro/iso per se...? or is it accomplished by the software which puts the iso on the media? That said, for those competent with fdisk, after writing the iso to the media (e.g., with dd), it's a fairly straightforward exercise to use fdisk to add a partition (or more than one) to that media in the empty space on it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/04/2018 à 10:54, ken a écrit :
On 04/13/2018 05:53 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
May be you know this already, but Leap 15 is also available as a wonderful live:
https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.0/live/
wonderful, because it's taking all the available room on a usb device. Yes, it takes all the room of, say, a 16Gb usb pen....
That truly would be a nice feature. It's really a waste to put a, say, 4gb iso on a 32gb media and be wasting 28gb. But is it a property of the distro/iso per se...? or is it accomplished by the software which puts the iso on the media?
it's accomplished by the iso after boot, with overlays (sort of snapshotting the iso)
That said, for those competent with fdisk, after writing the iso to the media (e.g., with dd), it's a fairly straightforward exercise to use fdisk to add a partition (or more than one) to that media in the empty space on it.
was already made by old live iso, but this didn't allow updating jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-15 10:54, ken wrote:
On 04/13/2018 05:53 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
May be you know this already, but Leap 15 is also available as a wonderful live:
https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.0/live/
wonderful, because it's taking all the available room on a usb device. Yes, it takes all the room of, say, a 16Gb usb pen....
That truly would be a nice feature. It's really a waste to put a, say, 4gb iso on a 32gb media and be wasting 28gb. But is it a property of the distro/iso per se...? or is it accomplished by the software which puts the iso on the media?
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 15/04/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
never seen this on previous isos (but obviously not tested all). Disque /dev/sde : 15,1 GiB, 16244539392 octets, 31727616 secteurs Unités : secteur de 1 × 512 = 512 octets Taille de secteur (logique / physique) : 512 octets / 512 octets taille d'E/S (minimale / optimale) : 512 octets / 512 octets Type d'étiquette de disque : dos Identifiant de disque : 0xeea7656b Périphérique Amorçage Début Fin Secteurs Taille Id Type /dev/sde1 456 31175 30720 15M ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) /dev/sde2 * 31176 1878015 1846840 901,8M 83 Linux /dev/sde3 1878016 31727615 29849600 14,2G 83 Linux the sde3 (here) partition is called "cow" and hold the real system cow> ll total 24 drwx------ 2 root root 16384 13 avril 10:16 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4096 13 avril 10:16 rw drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 14 avril 17:13 work cow> ll rw/ total 112 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 13 avril 21:49 bin drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 13 avril 22:17 boot drwxr-xr-x 123 root root 12288 14 avril 17:34 etc drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 30 mars 12:44 home (...) pretty nice :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/04/2018 à 11:24, jdd@dodin.org a écrit :
never seen this on previous isos (but obviously not tested all).
just got a look at 13.2 live, different (named "hybrid"), but not so much jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-15 11:24, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 15/04/2018 à 11:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
never seen this on previous isos (but obviously not tested all).
Try the 13.1 XFCE ISO. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 15/04/2018 à 12:26, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Try the 13.1 XFCE ISO.
my other mail is about 13.2 iso (because it's 32 bits, I keep it) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/15/2018 05:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
Very cool. I hope though that the user is prompted prior to any of that is done, yes? Also, is the user allowed to select which filesystem(s) are installed? (Relevant to this thread not at all, the search engines don't make it easy to find Leap 15. :^\ ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/16/2018 10:43 AM, ken wrote:
On 04/15/2018 05:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
Very cool. I hope though that the user is prompted prior to any of that is done, yes? Also, is the user allowed to select which filesystem(s) are installed?
(Relevant to this thread not at all, the search engines don't make it easy to find Leap 15. :^\ )
Even further off topic..... This seems to be exactly how SLES for Raspberry PI works as well. Some sort of magical on-the-fly repartitioning of the MicroSD card. Voodoo. And perfectly opaque as far as the user is concerned. I've install SLES Raspberry, and it seems quite stable. I'm now looking for a suitable work load that I can use it for. The installation works quite well. Now if I could just get SUSE to quote an OFFICIAL price for this it would be great. Don't really intend to pay $700 for a license after the 60 day evaluation period expires. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 04/16/2018 10:43 AM, ken wrote:
On 04/15/2018 05:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
Very cool. I hope though that the user is prompted prior to any of that is done, yes? Also, is the user allowed to select which filesystem(s) are installed?
(Relevant to this thread not at all, the search engines don't make it easy to find Leap 15. :^\ )
Even further off topic..... This seems to be exactly how SLES for Raspberry PI works as well. Some sort of magical on-the-fly repartitioning of the MicroSD card. Voodoo. And perfectly opaque as far as the user is concerned.
I've install SLES Raspberry, and it seems quite stable. I'm now looking for a suitable work load that I can use it for.
I am reliably informed it'll do really well as a MythTV client, provided you buy the license for the H264 video decoding.
The installation works quite well. Now if I could just get SUSE to quote an OFFICIAL price for this it would be great. Don't really intend to pay $700 for a license after the 60 day evaluation period expires.
Do you need the SUSE support? If not, either switch to the openSUSE version or just keep using what you have now. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
The installation works quite well. Now if I could just get SUSE to quote an OFFICIAL price for this it would be great. Don't really intend to pay $700 for a license after the 60 day evaluation period expires.
SUSE does not sell licenses for SLES, it sells subscriptions and support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/16/2018 11:51 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
The installation works quite well. Now if I could just get SUSE to quote an OFFICIAL price for this it would be great. Don't really intend to pay $700 for a license after the 60 day evaluation period expires.
SUSE does not sell licenses for SLES, it sells subscriptions and support.
True, I used the wrong word. Point still stands. There are guesses in the press, but still no published price to continue receiving updates beyond the 60 day evaluation period. https://www.suse.com/products/arm/raspberry-pi/ -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/16/2018 11:47 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Do you need the SUSE support? If not, either switch to the openSUSE version or just keep using what you have now.
It ceases getting updates after the eval period. That's all the support I expect. (I've had multiple SLES licenses at times and never once had to open a trouble ticket). I keep looking for ways to support Suse financially, however small that might be, and I keep getting turned away every juncture. I've never seen an organization more determined to fend off money. So I suppose I should take the hint and stop trying to buy anything and just opensuse. Paranoia: I'm reminded of the saying, if you are not the customer, you are the product. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 04/16/2018 11:47 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Do you need the SUSE support? If not, either switch to the openSUSE version or just keep using what you have now.
It ceases getting updates after the eval period. That's all the support I expect.
Right. I was just going by your "I'm now looking for a suitable work load that I can use it for" - maybe you don't have so much need for support.
Paranoia: I'm reminded of the saying, if you are not the customer, you are the product.
well, here in openSUSE territory, that is true for many people. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/16/2018 02:47 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I've install SLES Raspberry, and it seems quite stable. I'm now looking for a suitable work load that I can use it for.
Years ago I mounted a Pi with wifi in my car which was connected to a USB OBD reader which, in turn, was connected to the car's onboard computer... so I could read the car's performance on my cellphone. Then came a hot summer day which, with car parked with the windows rolled up, cooked the OBD reader. The Pi wasn't affected tho, still works. When I get some free time, I want to get a large screen attached to a pi and display it as a wall clock which is also a local time server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 10 May 2018 07:22:41 -0400 ken <gebser@mousecar.com> wrote:
When I get some free time, I want to get a large screen attached to a pi and display it as a wall clock which is also a local time server.
Plug a TV into the HDMI port, boot, start X and run xclock. Or is that too simple? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-11 04:45, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2018 07:22:41 -0400 ken <gebser@mousecar.com> wrote:
When I get some free time, I want to get a large screen attached to a pi and display it as a wall clock which is also a local time server.
Plug a TV into the HDMI port, boot, start X and run xclock. Or is that too simple?
Too expensive :-P -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 05/11/2018 06:56 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2018-05-11 04:45, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2018 07:22:41 -0400 ken <gebser@mousecar.com> wrote:
When I get some free time, I want to get a large screen attached to a pi and display it as a wall clock which is also a local time server. Plug a TV into the HDMI port, boot, start X and run xclock. Or is that too simple? Too expensive :-P
Indeed. :-D When I wrote "large screen", I obviously meant "large for a wall clock"... so perhaps 8x4 inches (20x10 cm)... just big enough to see from across the room... and by "room" I mean on in a normal house, not like a football stadium. :-$ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-16 19:43, ken wrote:
On 04/15/2018 05:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is not new, the 13.x series used it. And before, it was used for a few years. It disappeared with Leap 42.x
It is a normal installation ISO with a partition table and at least one partition, that is bootable and contains the live image. The first time it boots, it checks where it is, sees that it s an USB stick, and creates a writeable partition on the remainder of the stick. The system runs from the live partition but sends the writes to that partition, as an overlay.
Very cool. I hope though that the user is prompted prior to any of that is done, yes? Also, is the user allowed to select which filesystem(s) are installed?
In the past, no and no. In the present, I guess no and no.
(Relevant to this thread not at all, the search engines don't make it easy to find Leap 15. :^\ )
No idea about that. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (testing openSUSE Leap 15.0, at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/04/2018 à 19:43, ken a écrit :
Very cool. I hope though that the user is prompted prior to any of that is done, yes? Also, is the user allowed to select which filesystem(s) are installed?
not that I know of, it uses ext4. But I guess it's for usb pen, not for general install, and there is an "install" icon on it (not tested) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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