VMWare

Nick Selby

2 Jul 2001 2 Jul '01

15:40

Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6? I ask because while trying to go 100% linux, the thing that keeps me going back to Windows is the features of photoshop. For most things, gimp would in fact do it, but I haven't had the time to get comfortable with it. AND the gimp-having-no-CMYK issue is important to me as a publisher. TIA, Nick -- ------------------------------------ Nick Selby, Flyguides, Inc Aviation Multimedia Publishing 103 Foulk Rd, Suite 202, Wilmington, DE 19803 USA http://flyguides.com | nick@flyguides.com US phone 301 691 6056 US Fax 301 652 8667 European Mobile: +49 178 659 6900

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quintaq＠yahoo.co.uk

2 Jul 2 Jul

16:18

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:28 +0200 Nick Selby wrote:

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Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6?

I think you will find that quite a lot of people use it. I too have done my absolute best to go 100% linux, but there are couple of apps (I won't bore you with the details), that I simply must have that do not exist in linux or run under wine. I do not use photoshop, so I am afraid I can't help you there, but I did not experience much aggro in setting up vmware - which I find to be a highly stable and very professional piece of software. There are, however, just occasional problems with screen-handling that I have experienced - in my case this only affects text, but I guess you might want to bear that in mind when deciding whether to buy. It is also noticeably slower than native 'doze on my P800. Regards, Geoff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Paul Abrahams

16:25

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quintaq@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:28 +0200 Nick Selby wrote:

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Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6?

I think you will find that quite a lot of people use it. I too have done my absolute best to go 100% linux, but there are couple of apps (I won't bore you with the details), that I simply must have that do not exist in linux or run under wine. I do not use photoshop, so I am afraid I can't help you there, but I did not experience much aggro in setting up vmware - which I find to be a highly stable and very professional piece of software. There are, however, just occasional problems with screen-handling that I have experienced - in my case this only affects text, but I guess you might want to bear that in mind when deciding whether to buy. It is also noticeably slower than native 'doze on my P800.

I'm using Win4Lin V3.0 (http://www.netraverse.com) and have been very pleased with it. It's reputedly faster than VMWare and definitely less expensive, but its emulation is not at as fundamental a level as VMWare's. I would guess it would run PhotoShop but I don't know for sure. Paul

Nick Selby

16:28

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Thank you for hose comments, which are very helpful! Nick On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:18:41 +0100 quintaq@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:28 +0200 Nick Selby wrote:

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Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6?

I think you will find that quite a lot of people use it. I too have done my absolute best to go 100% linux, but there are couple of apps (I won't bore you with the details), that I simply must have that do not exist in linux or run under wine. I do not use photoshop, so I am afraid I can't help you there, but I did not experience much aggro in setting up vmware - which I find to be a highly stable and very professional piece of software. There are, however, just occasional problems with screen-handling that I have experienced - in my case this only affects text, but I guess you might want to bear that in mind when deciding whether to buy. It is also noticeably slower than native 'doze on my P800.

Regards,

Geoff

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Daniel Woodard

16:35

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To add to this specific application, Photoshop in particular is one of the most resource demanding programs out there (memory and disc caching), so add that to the friction of running under VMWare. On Monday 02 July 2001 12:28, Nick Selby wrote:

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Thank you for hose comments, which are very helpful!

Nick

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:18:41 +0100 quintaq@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:28 +0200

Nick Selby wrote:

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Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6?

Gerhard den Hollander

17:40

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* Daniel Woodard (Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 12:35:20PM -0400)

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To add to this specific application, Photoshop in particular is one of the most resource demanding programs out there (memory and disc caching), so add that to the friction of running under VMWare.

vmware works fine, but you need quite a bit of horspower (esp. RAM) to run WinXX comfortably under Linux. A PIII/500 w/ 256M of ram, suse 7.2, kde2.12 XF410 on that vmware 2.whatever from suse72 in that vmware win98 with 64M ram allocated to vmware/win98 it's not fast, it certianly is not fast .. I guess I shoudl siwtch back to 16bpp color mode, and get a reasonable speedup. Photoshop under vmware is madness (unless you have a dual CPU 1Ghz pentium with loadsa RAM ;) ). Photoshop under windows is dogslow, under an emulator it's even worse. win4lin is supposedly faster, but I did have an official vmware license, and no win4lin, so I haven;t checked it out yet. is there a win4lin for a 2.4 kernel these days ? Currently listening to: Phish - La Grange () Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Some say the end is near. =`\<, Some say we'll see armageddon soon (=)/(=) I certainly hope we will I could use a vacation

Paul Abrahams

19:48

New subject: Win4Lin

Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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win4lin is supposedly faster, but I did have an official vmware license, and no win4lin, so I haven;t checked it out yet.

is there a win4lin for a 2.4 kernel these days ?

Yes, and I'm using it. It's version 3.0. Go to http://www.netraverse.com and have a look. Paul

Curtis Rey

20:15

New subject: [SLE] Re: Win4Lin

I noticed that it supports win media player. Have you tried to run any games? Will it support directx? TIA Curtis On Monday 02 July 2001 14:48, Paul Abrahams wrote:

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Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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win4lin is supposedly faster, but I did have an official vmware license, and no win4lin, so I haven;t checked it out yet.

is there a win4lin for a 2.4 kernel these days ?

Yes, and I'm using it. It's version 3.0. Go to http://www.netraverse.com and have a look.

Paul

Paul Abrahams

21:49

New subject: [SLE] Re: Win4Lin

Curtis Rey wrote:

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I noticed that [Win4Lin] supports win media player. Have you tried to run any games? Will it support directx?

Mark W. Knecht

22:09

New subject: [SLE] Re: Win4Lin

I also use Win4Lin, and have for the last 9 months or so. It's a great little product for where they're trying to go. Mostly they're focused on providing a platform that supports non-performance oriented business level applications: Microsoft Office Quicken Internet Explorer Outlook, Eudora and the like stuff like that. The latest release has some very nice networking features where my Win4Lin session shows up on my network as another computer in Network Neighborhood, eliminating the immediate need for me to mess with Samba and such. No need for me to convert my Outlook data, now I can just go on running Outlook until Wine gets better. Additionally they have a 'server' version which will supposedly run multiple windows sessions. I had a version for a while. It worked and was cool. I'm curious to try Oracle and other databases at the same time, which doesn't work on our Windows Server today. It would be nice to have a single, fast Linux box running 3 separate Windows sessions with database servers that can't coexist under Windows today. I'd pay for that! In the long run, I see this as a really nice way to simply stick with a bunch of Windows apps that I like without being forced to upgrade OS's and apps all the time. Have fun, Mark -----Original Message----- From: pwa@chmls06.mediaone.net [mailto:pwa@chmls06.mediaone.net]On Behalf Of Paul Abrahams Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:49 PM To: SuSE listserve Subject: Re: [SLE] Re: Win4Lin Curtis Rey wrote:

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I noticed that [Win4Lin] supports win media player. Have you tried to run any games? Will it support directx?

It doesn't support DirectX. I don't run many games myself; I know it won't run Diplomacy or Snood for that reason, and my guess is that most other games will also fail to run because they use DirectX (damn Microsoft and its proprietary standards!). Possibly VMWare supports DirectX, but from what I hear about VMWare I'd expect the games to be so slow as to be unplayable. Dunno. Paul -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Ed Harrison

3 Jul 3 Jul

01:22

New subject: [SLE] VMWare

** Reply to message from Gerhard den Hollander on Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:40:47 +0200

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I guess I shoudl siwtch back to 16bpp color mode, and get a reasonable speedup.

VMWare runs much better, no matter the resources, if you switch to full screen mode (it runs on tty8). Ed Harrison broadcasting on ----/ / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ by SuSE(6.4), Kernel 2.4.4, X 4.0.3 or Warp 4, FP12 or Windows98 (running in vmware 2.0.4 for fun) PolarBarMailer 1.1.19a with SUN JDK 1.3

Gerhard den Hollander

06:36

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* Ed Harrison (Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:22:13PM -0400)

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** Reply to message from Gerhard den Hollander on Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:40:47 +0200

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I guess I shoudl siwtch back to 16bpp color mode, and get a reasonable speedup.

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VMWare runs much better, no matter the resources, if you switch to full screen mode (it runs on tty8).

But vmware doesn;t support a wheel mouse in fullscreen mode. when starting vmware I get the message that it doesn;t recognise the intellimouse and won;'t be abl;e to use the mouse in fullscreenmode .. I guess Im gonna check out win4lin soon (if I can find a demo download on their site ;) ) Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone +31-10.280.1515 Global Technical Support Fax +31-10.280.1511 Jason Geosystems BV (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1) gdenhollander@jasongeo.com POBox 1573 visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com 3000 BN Rotterdam JASON.......#1 in Reservoir Characterization The Netherlands This e-mail and any attachment is/are intended solely for the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, we request that you do not disseminate, forward, distribute or copy this e-mail message. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the original message.

David Bottrill

23:03

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My Intellimouse explorer works fine in full screen, I just lose the windows insertion cursor (flashing vertical line). Other than that VMWare runs very well under my copy of 7.2 David Bottrill

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-----Original Message----- From: Gerhard den Hollander [mailto:gerhard@jasongeo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:36 AM To: Ed Harrison Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] VMWare

* Ed Harrison (Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:22:13PM -0400)

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** Reply to message from Gerhard den Hollander on Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:40:47 +0200

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I guess I shoudl siwtch back to 16bpp color mode, and get a reasonable speedup.

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VMWare runs much better, no matter the resources, if you switch to full screen mode (it runs on tty8).

But vmware doesn;t support a wheel mouse in fullscreen mode.

when starting vmware I get the message that it doesn;t recognise the intellimouse and won;'t be abl;e to use the mouse in fullscreenmode ..

I guess Im gonna check out win4lin soon (if I can find a demo download on their site ;) )

Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone +31-10.280.1515 Global Technical Support Fax +31-10.280.1511 Jason Geosystems BV (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1)

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Oliver Ob

8 Jul 8 Jul

13:31

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Now, that we have come again into VMWare topics, I sum up my questions like this: 1.] Does anybody of you run "Steinberg's Rebirth 338" Sound Editor under Linux Emulation Environment (VMW/Wine) ? Version 1.o and 2.oo I find, some may explain this, the knobs move far to slowly for effective sound work. 2.] I always wonder in general why VMW is that slow. Is there any suggestions around on how to sort of... "tune" it? Say, I do not go like buy me RAM every week and do not upgrade my Proc for like 1,2 GHz. There must be some tuning.. Hm? Any ideas? 3.] What sense has it that you have installed both VMW #and# Wine? Would that make any sense at all? For what purpose? 4.] If I am misplaced with this topic and anyhow: Is there any good ML on VMW/Wine/Emulation in general-sort of-topics? Any pointer welcome! Friendly regards O -- *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ =Oliver@home= *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤

Jeffrey Taylor

9 Jul 9 Jul

15:25

New subject: [SLE] VMWare

VMware likes lots of RAM (256MB or more for Win98, less for OS without GUI). Win4Lin requires kernel patches, is more CPU intensive and less memory intensive, so I've heard. With 128MB, Win98 ran noticeably slower. I developed the habit of holding the mouse button down until I say the screen button depress. With 256MB, it appears to run at native speed (testers say 10-20% slower, that isn't noticable to me). I am running TurboTax, Quicken, Word, Internet Explorer, and Warcraft. None run noticably slower. I use IBM's Home Page Builder that is bundled with a custom version of Wine. It is slow to start, but definitely faster than booting Win98 in VMware. It is still a Windows application so it talks about C: and D: drives, a little disconcerning, but very useable. HTH, Jeffrey Quoting Oliver Ob :

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Now, that we have come again into VMWare topics, I sum up my questions like this:

1.] Does anybody of you run "Steinberg's Rebirth 338" Sound Editor under Linux Emulation Environment (VMW/Wine) ? Version 1.o and 2.oo

I find, some may explain this, the knobs move far to slowly for effective sound work.

2.] I always wonder in general why VMW is that slow. Is there any suggestions around on how to sort of... "tune" it? Say, I do not go like buy me RAM every week and do not upgrade my Proc for like 1,2 GHz. There must be some tuning.. Hm? Any ideas?

3.] What sense has it that you have installed both VMW #and# Wine? Would that make any sense at all? For what purpose?

4.] If I am misplaced with this topic and anyhow: Is there any good ML on VMW/Wine/Emulation in general-sort of-topics? Any pointer welcome!

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Ed Harrison

10 Jul 10 Jul

00:12

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** Reply to message from Oliver Ob on Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:31:54 +0200

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2.] I always wonder in general why VMW is that slow. Is there any suggestions around on how to sort of... "tune" it? Say, I do not go like buy me RAM every week and do not upgrade my Proc for like 1,2 GHz. There must be some tuning.. Hm? Any ideas?

The first thing, of course is RAM. If you have plenty, say 256M, then use the configuration editor>.memory and give VMW more, temporarily. Shut down other processes while you work in VM guest OS. VM runs much more smoothly and faster in View>>Full Screen, if you video card supports full screen. Ed Harrison, broadcasting on ----/ / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ by SuSE(6.4), Kernel 2.4.6, X 4.1 or Warp 4, FP12 or Windows98 (running in vmware 2.0.4 for fun) PolarBarMailer 1.20rc2 with IBM JDK 1.1.8

Oliver Ob

9 Jul 9 Jul

11:19

New subject: [SLE] VMWare

Now, that we have come again into VMWare topics, I sum up my questions like this: 1.] Does anybody of you run "Steinberg's Rebirth 338" Sound Editor under Linux Emulation Environment (VMW/Wine) ? Version 1.o and 2.oo I find, some may explain this, the knobs move far to slowly for effective sound work. 2.] I always wonder in general why VMW is that slow. Is there any suggestions around on how to sort of... "tune" it? Say, I do not go like buy me RAM every week and do not upgrade my Proc for like 1,2 GHz. There must be some tuning.. Hm? Any ideas? 3.] What sense has it that you have installed both VMW #and# Wine? Would that make any sense at all? For what purpose? 4.] If I am misplaced with this topic and anyhow: Is there any good ML on VMW/Wine/Emulation in general-sort of-topics? Any pointer welcome! Friendly reX-Mozilla-Status: 0009¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ =Oliver@home= *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤

Karol Pietrzak

2 Jul 2 Jul

17:33

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On 2 Jul 2001, Nick Selby wrote:

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Hi, Is anyone on the list running vmware to run windows under linux? Any luck? Is it worth the aggro just to be able to use photoshop 6? I ask because while trying to go 100% linux, the thing that keeps me going back to Windows is the features of photoshop. For most things, gimp would in fact do it, but I haven't had the time to get comfortable with it. AND the gimp-having-no-CMYK issue is important to me as a publisher.

I've heard both success and horror stories with VMware. AFAIK, it's designed as a business app and needs huge amounts of RAM (>256MB is nice, considering RAM is so cheap nowadays). As another poster pointed out, NeTraverse's Win4Lin 3.0 is also another choice. It is very much less expensive, and from what I've read, much faster as well and not as resource-intensive. Win4lin is designed to give the normal computer user as opportunity to run software that only Windows has (e.g. Windows Media Player, Quicken, Outlook, etc.) with the stability of Linux. VMware is designed to give you the _entire_ Windows experience. For win32 and linux programmers, that's a plus, since it removes the need for reboots for testing purposes. For only simple application use, having Windows running in the background is a pain. Note that Adobe Photoshop is listed under "List of Popular Application Support" on NeTraverse's website. Also, it seems like Windows 2000 apps are not supported. Linux Magazine has a review of both, btw. http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-06/pr_vmware_01.html http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-01/pr_win4lin_01.html Hope that's helpful. -- noodlez: Karol Pietrzak PGP KeyID: 0x3A1446A0

quintaq＠yahoo.co.uk

17:50

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:33:59 -0400 "Karol Pietrzak" wrote:

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I've heard both success and horror stories with VMware. AFAIK, it's designed as a business app and needs huge amounts of RAM (>256MB is nice, considering RAM is so cheap nowadays). As another poster pointed out, NeTraverse's Win4Lin 3.0 is also another choice. It is very much less expensive, and from what I've read, much faster as well and not as resource-intensive.

I definitely agree about the memory. I saw an improvement when I went to 384MB. I also agree that it is a resource-hog. Even when it is doing nothing you can see the cpu usage pulsing like a heartbeat, and it will, for example, slow down the frame-rate in xawtv. Geoff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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