Torkild Ulvøy Resheim wrote:

On Monday 16 February 2004 09:48, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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Is there a way to capture a window or screen without resorting to gimp, or xv. I can use either tool, but both are cumbersome. There used to be a nice little tool that did stuff like this, but I can't find it, and I've forgotten the name.

STH

It's called KSnapshot. You'll find it in the menu under Utilities->Desktop.

It's in my "Graphics" menu. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

Perhaps thats why I didnt find kpackage no utilitys menu. CWSIV On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 09:51, Steven T. Hatton wrote: <SNIP>

That's where mine used to be. For about a year I didn't even /have/ a utilities menu. For some reason it's back. I looked in the graphics menu, but I'm out of the habit of looking in utilities. That's what's so fun about using the latest builds, you never know what the heck is going on. :)

That is exactly the tool I wanted. Does what I want, and I don't have to think about it.

Thanks Torkild.

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-- Anthony Baldwin

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On Monday 16 February 2004 06:18, Dan Behman wrote:

Or, use Gimp and choose File (I think) -> Aquire -> Screenshot

Explain why someone would want to wait for Gimp to load and be forced to snapshot the entire screen when ksnapshot is almost instantaneous and allows you to select the whole window, immediatly or after you have had time to set it up the way you want....? You can take a screen shot with a digital camera too, and it would be more convienent than gimp IMHO. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

On Tuesday 17 February 2004 1:35 pm, Steven T. Hatton wrote: [snip]

Gimp is extremely powerful. So powerful, in fact, that everytime I open it, it kicks my butt. I'm sure a person who knows how to use it can do amazing things with it. I would really like to learn how to use it myself, but every time I try to read the documentation, and convert what I read to action, I end up getting nowhere.

Likewise! My problem is I really need to learn how to use it better because of some of the editing I need to do from time to time. There is a lot Gimp won't do that PhotoShop will, but I can't bring myself to use anything MickySoft based. Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."

Grokking the Gimp looks like a good manual, it's on the CDs/DVD. On the other hand, at http://www.frankscorner.org/ you can read how to get the Windows version of PhotoShop working with Wine.

S.H.

This is a good example based article http://mozillaquest.com/OpenSource04/Gimp-Photo-Edit-Tutorial-01_Story01.htm... Tim

On Tuesday 17 February 2004 07:44 pm, Philipp Thomas wrote:

Sjoerd Hiemstra [17 Feb 2004 22:51:49 +0100]:

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There seem to be a few popular things that Gimp does not have, such as a photo album.

What gimp is also still lacking is color separation which makes it unusable for those that need it. I might also add that Photoshop is far more intuitive to use than gimp.

Philipp ===========

I believe it does have color separation capabilites now. It may be through a plugin, but pretty sure it's available, from keeping up with the developers on the mail list. I really don't find it anymore difficult to use than other graphics programs I have used. I suppose if you are already acquainted with Photoshop though, other programs might seem more difficult to use. It's kinda like Sodopodi, as good a program as it is, I find it extremely difficult to use. Since the developers branched off to do Inkscape though, things look a lot better! Don't know if this will reach the level of Illustrator or Corel, but it's looking very nice for a vector graphics program. :o) Lee -- --- KMail v1.6 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 February 2004 07:44 pm, Philipp Thomas wrote:

Sjoerd Hiemstra [17 Feb 2004 22:51:49 +0100]:

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There seem to be a few popular things that Gimp does not have, such as a photo album.

What gimp is also still lacking is color separation which makes it unusable for those that need it. I might also add that Photoshop is far more intuitive to use than gimp.

Philipp

If Photoshop is running on recent Macs, it should be a piece-o-cake to port to Linux. They started working on a Frame Maker port, but they never released it. As far as I know. Some companies have done well with Linux products. For example Borland's JBuilder is still the superlative IDE for Java. Eclipse and Netbeans are impressive, but JBX is all around a better product. I haven't tried KDevelop's Java features. That reminds me, I need to get back to breaking it. That's my job in the development process. :-) STH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAMs0EH2SF0i7rrGwRAufeAJ9aVSkRodHjJT7oZnPRYBBxXg6bTgCePJ8P AeJqSY7sQe4G/lVFUAF3TLU= =/z26 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tuesday 17 February 2004 17:25, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

If Photoshop is running on recent Macs, it should be a piece-o-cake to port to Linux.  They started working on a Frame Maker port, but they never released it. As far as I know.

Works great under Crossover Office... ;-) -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

*** Reply to message from "Steven T. Hatton" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:30:44 -0500***

I'd like to find time to read the document.

BTW, Philipp, if you're reading this, gimp does have color separation. Perhaps not the same as Photoshop, but it's there. I can also attest that The Gimp1.3 ( in Suse 9.0) is easier for newbies to understand, partly because a lot of hte former "right click " menus that were *hidden* , at least if you weren't aware of the right click menu .. now appear above the actual picture you are using.. It prints pretty okay , I do have to remind it where to sent the print instructions, Ghostscript or not , but once the proper que is chosen the 9.0 default drivers make very nice photo reprints ( or origional prints ) and that is a new high for the Gimp.

-- j nemo me impune lacessit it's just an afterthought; okay ? : An idle mind is worth two in the bush.

Fred Miller wrote:

On Tuesday 17 February 2004 1:35 pm, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

[snip]

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Gimp is extremely powerful. So powerful, in fact, that everytime I open it, it kicks my butt. I'm sure a person who knows how to use it can do amazing things with it. I would really like to learn how to use it myself, but every time I try to read the documentation, and convert what I read to action, I end up getting nowhere.

Likewise! My problem is I really need to learn how to use it better because of some of the editing I need to do from time to time. There is a lot Gimp won't do that PhotoShop will, but I can't bring myself to use anything MickySoft based.

Fred

My sentiments exactly! One day I wanted to sharpen a picture and called a friend, it's easy he said, one day I shall have to take it around to his place. Shall download http://linux.iq.usp.br/debian/pool/non-free/g/grokking-the-gimp/ and see if it makes under 9.0. The example tutorial I once tried made it all look simple until I tried using it for real. I've never seen photoshop. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.

Gimp is extremely powerful. So powerful, in fact, that everytime I open it, it kicks my butt. I'm sure a person who knows how to use it can do amazing things with it. I would really like to learn how to use it myself, but every time I try to read the documentation, and convert what I read to action, I end up getting nowhere.

Have you tried some of the tutorials at http://gimpguru.org ? They can be extremely helpful IMHO. HTH Marshall

Thanks for that, it looks promising and very detailed stuff there. Regards Sid.

Welcome! The author of that site is still using Gimp 1.2.x and as some of us know, some things in Gimp 2.0 pre-release are in a different spot than it was in 1.2.x. None the less, the tutorials are still at least IMHO worth looking at. I have been able on my own time to convert most procedures from Photoshop to Gimp. So I use Gimp quite a bit. It will not be for everyone but like Fred stated, if you know how to use it, you can do some neat things. Like I took a pic of my wife and enhanced it. Including hiding a few extra pounds ;) Marshall

On Monday 16 February 2004 22:07, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

What ever happenned to good old xwd (X Window Dump)? I love it. How would you pipe the output through convert to produce a usable format?

In the past when I used xwd I just loaded the resulting file in The Gimp. From there I could view, adapt, and write it to whatever format I wanted. Regards, Pieter Hulshoff

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 16 February 2004 09:11 pm, David T-G wrote:

Steven, et al --

...and then Steven T. Hatton said... % % -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- % Hash: SHA1 % % On Monday 16 February 2004 02:52 pm, David T-G wrote: ... % > % > What ever happenned to good old xwd (X Window Dump)? I love it. % % How would you pipe the output through convert to produce a usable format?

Um, with a pipe? :-)

davidtg@hussy:~> xwd --help usage: xwd [-display host:dpy] [-debug] [-help] [{-root|-id <id>|-name <name>}] [-nobdrs] [-out <file>] [-xy] [-add value] [-frame]

Without a -out it just ends up on stdout.

HTH & HAND

:-D But how to you set the parameters on convert? I used convert to produce this animation from the POVRay frames. http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/gs-home/images/walls-800x600.mpg

I also used it to convert this still to png. The golden spiral pattern was done in Java2D and imported into a POVRay source file. http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/opt/web-site/gs-home/images/plane.png Mind you, the objective of my inquiry was simplicity. You will find the answer to my question about piping at the end of this help listing. Mon Feb 16 21:43:29:> convert --help > convert.help 2>&1 You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/hattons hattons@ljosalfr:~/ Mon Feb 16 21:44:38:> Version: ImageMagick 5.5.7 11/05/03 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 2003 ImageMagick Studio LLC Usage: convert [options ...] file [ [options ...] file ...] [options ...] file Where options include: -adjoin join images into a single multi-image file -affine matrix affine transform matrix -antialias remove pixel-aliasing -append append an image sequence -authenticate value decrypt image with this password -average average an image sequence -background color background color -black-threshold value forces all pixels below the threshold into black -blue-primary point chomaticity blue primary point -blur geometry blur the image -border geometry surround image with a border of color -bordercolor color border color -channel type extract a particular color channel from image -charcoal radius simulate a charcoal drawing -chop geometry remove pixels from the image interior -clip apply clipping path if the image has one -coalesce merge a sequence of images -colorize value colorize the image with the fill color -colors value preferred number of colors in the image -colorspace type alternate image colorspace -comment string annotate image with comment -compress type image compression type -contrast enhance or reduce the image contrast -convolve coefficients apply a convolution kernel to the image -crop geometry preferred size and location of the cropped image -cycle amount cycle the image colormap -debug events display copious debugging information -deconstruct break down an image sequence into constituent parts -delay value display the next image after pausing -density geometry horizontal and vertical density of the image -depth value image depth -despeckle reduce the speckles within an image -display server get image or font from this X server -dispose method Undefined, None, Background, Previous -dither apply Floyd/Steinberg error diffusion to image -draw string annotate the image with a graphic primitive -edge radius apply a filter to detect edges in the image -emboss radius emboss an image -encoding type text encoding type -endian type LSB or MSB -enhance apply a digital filter to enhance a noisy image -equalize perform histogram equalization to an image -extract geometry extract area from image -fill color color to use when filling a graphic primitive -filter type use this filter when resizing an image -flatten flatten a sequence of images -flip flip image in the vertical direction -flop flop image in the horizontal direction -font name render text with this font -frame geometry surround image with an ornamental border -fuzz distance colors within this distance are considered equal -gamma value level of gamma correction -gaussian geometry gaussian blur an image -geometry geometry perferred size or location of the image -green-primary point chomaticity green primary point -gravity 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replace every pixel with its complementary color -noop do not apply options to image -noise radius add or reduce noise in an image -normalize transform image to span the full range of colors -opaque color change this color to the fill color -ordered-dither channeltype LOWxHIGH ordered dither the image -page geometry size and location of an image canvas -paint radius simulate an oil painting -ping efficiently determine image attributes -pointsize value font point size -preview type image preview type -profile filename add ICM or IPTC information profile to image -quality value JPEG/MIFF/PNG compression level -raise value lighten/darken image edges to create a 3-D effect -random-threshold channeltype LOWxHIGH random threshold the image -region geometry apply options to a portion of the image -raise value lighten/darken image edges to create a 3-D effect -red-primary point chomaticity red primary point -render render vector graphics -resize geometry resize the image -resample geometry change the resolution of an image -roll geometry roll an image vertically or horizontally -rotate degrees apply Paeth rotation to the image -sample geometry scale image with pixel sampling -sampling-factor geometry horizontal and vertical sampling factor -scale geometry scale the image -scene value image scene number -seed value pseudo-random number generator seed value -segment values segment an image -shade degrees shade the image using a distant light source -sharpen geometry sharpen the image -shave geometry shave pixels from the image edges -shear geometry slide one edge of the image along the X or Y axis -size geometry width and height of image -solarize threshold negate all pixels above the threshold level -spread amount displace image pixels by a random amount -stroke color graphic primitive stroke color -strokewidth value graphic primitive stroke width -swirl degrees swirl image pixels about the center -texture filename name of texture to tile onto the image background 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On Monday 16 February 2004 17:11, David T-G wrote:

Steven, et al --

...and then Steven T. Hatton said... % % -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- % Hash: SHA1 % % On Monday 16 February 2004 02:52 pm, David T-G wrote: ... % > % > What ever happenned to good old xwd (X Window Dump)? I love it. % % How would you pipe the output through convert to produce a usable format?

Um, with a pipe? :-)

davidtg@hussy:~> xwd --help usage: xwd [-display host:dpy] [-debug] [-help] [{-root|-id <id>|-name <name>}] [-nobdrs] [-out <file>] [-xy] [-add value] [-frame]

Ah come on David!!! The guy wanted practical advice. ksnapshot is part of KDE, why in the world would you recommend the above!??? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

John, et al -- ...and then John Andersen said... % % On Monday 16 February 2004 17:11, David T-G wrote: ... % > davidtg@hussy:~> xwd --help % > usage: xwd [-display host:dpy] [-debug] [-help] [{-root|-id <id>|-name % > <name>}] [-nobdrs] [-out <file>] [-xy] [-add value] [-frame] % % Ah come on David!!! The guy wanted practical advice. *grin* % ksnapshot is part of KDE, why in the world would you recommend % the above!??? 1) I dunno from ksnapshot. 2) What could be more practical than that except, perhaps, the man page (though that wouldn't be nearly as concise)? :-) % % -- % _____________________________________ % John Andersen HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org -- Mary Baker Eddy, "Science and Health" http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!