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Dne četrtek 16 april 2009 ob 08:49:53 je Per Jessen napisal(a):

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Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager. 

So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".

If both of those work, you're on-line.

/Per

-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)

Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being...

-- Registered Linux User 481801 and proud of it

Oh, and disable IPv6 of course... ;) -- Registered Linux User 481801 and proud of it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:14:27 Mark Misulich wrote:

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I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.

So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".

If both of those work, you're on-line.

/Per

-- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C)

Alternatively, check if you're on the same subnet as the hotel access page (or the hotel gateway); if at all possible, go with DHCP instead of static IPs. And disable any firewalls or IPtables for the time being...

Oh, and disable IPv6 of course...

Hi, I have tried to use DHCP to configure the connection to the ethernet. It only seems to work when I boot up the computer. Other than that I can only get a connection to the network when I put in the set of IP address numbers that the hotel IT guy used. But neither way will it connect to the internet, in fact I am not sure exactly if it is connected to any kind of network. The knetworkmanager is colored when I boot from shutdown, and if I connect with the IP address numbers the icon displays the little mouse icon that shows an ethernet connection. Yet with the dig command, I get the reply connection timed out, no servers could be reached. With the ping command, it says unknown host.

ipv6 is disabled, I disabled that when I installed 11.1.

Mark, I've had a similar issue with a public wireless connection - I could connect under Windows but not Linux - but I did work out how to make it work in my case. These types of services often use an internal login page that requires you to agree to a set of terms and conditions and maybe pay money (as in your case). This is usually an auto -redirect when you first open your browser but for some reason (maybe due to the use of MS-specific code behind the page) it doesn't seem to work properly for Linux clients. What I did was to copy the URL to the login page from the IE address bar under Windows and then manually enter that in Linux. That got me through the login process and connected to the net. There was a second glitch - it took 3 or 4 tries for the wireless connection to actually get an ip address on the local subnet; for some reason, the first 3 tries timed out and I ended up with a non-routable 169.254.x.x (default) address. If you're sure that you have an ip address that is in the correct address range (and check that the dns servers are being assigned by DHCP as well), try manually entering the login page URL. Regards, Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.�

So you do have a connection then. Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".

If both of those work, you're on-line.

Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC. I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side. You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side. If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay. Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.Â

So you do have a connection then.  Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".

If both of those work, you're on-line.

Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC.

I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side.

You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side.

If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay.

       Lee --

Hi, your thoughts are the same as mine, I wrote the URL addresses of the login page down from windows so I could try launching my linux browser to that/those pages before I received your reply.  It didn't work, even though I was using ies4linux IE6 to try and get online.  I can get online here with windows, but not linux.  I leave here this morning for Central Asia, so I will have to try working on this problem in a month or so when I return here.  I expect to come here a lot so I would like to work out how to get online with linux.

Mark

I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Thursday 16 April 2009 02:56:13 pm Mark Misulich wrote: ...

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I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.

I don't know how much time you have to play around, but program Wireshark is very effective to tell where connection stops. It is in openSUSE repositories.

I agree with everybody that it may be a routing problem and wireshark is very good. You could also try traceroute first as a simpler test. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mark Misulich schreef: (snip)

On the flight up here today, I realized that I hadn't mentioned that I tried to use Opera to log in to the hotel network in Vista, and had the same result as I did in Linux with all the browsers I mentioned in my original post. So I suppose that the problem is somehow connected to IE in windows, it must have something that no other browser has that allows one to log in to the network and the internet.

ActiveX rears its ugly head? -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 16 April 2009, Mark Misulich wrote:

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Mark Misulich wrote:

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Hi, I am at a hotel in China where I can't get onto the internet with linux. [snip] I am connected with a cable connection via ethernet, and can get linux to connect to the hotel network via knetwork manager.Â

So you do have a connection then.  Do you have name resolution working? Try "dig www.opensuse.org" from the command line. Then try "ping www.opensuse.org".

If both of those work, you're on-line.

Unfortunately, many pay services do weird things to get you to the login/pay page, per the OP. The fact that you have a physical connection does not always enable routing of traffic from your MAC.

I would suggest ensuring that Javascript & cookies are enabled - many of the pay sites/processes require such gyrations on the client side.

You might also watch closly on a Windoze machine that works - there's a small chance of some IE specific code doing the redirect to the login page. If you can catch what is happening on the first connect, it might give you a clue as to what you're missing on the Linux side.

If you can, try launching directly TO the login page to authenticate/pay.

       Lee --

Hi, your thoughts are the same as mine, I wrote the URL addresses of the login page down from windows so I could try launching my linux browser to that/those pages before I received your reply.  It didn't work, even though I was using ies4linux IE6 to try and get online.  I can get online here with windows, but not linux.  I leave here this morning for Central Asia, so I will have to try working on this problem in a month or so when I return here.  I expect to come here a lot so I would like to work out how to get online with linux.

Mark

I forgot to say that the hotel IT guy put in a seperate url for a page that he is authorized to access for the hotel, but even it didn't work. We couldn't get online with that page, and the browser wouldn't launch to that page.

Hi Have you checked the setting of the routing option under yast for your network card . I use DHCP here to connect to my internal network but i find i still have to enter the address of the gateway machine before i can get an outside connection this holds true on 10.0 10.3 11.0 11.1 also when i am at my friends Hotel in Wales i have to enter the ip of the gateway machine on the laptop running 11.1 Pete . -- Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org