On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:15 PM David C. Rankin wrote:

If there is some new firmware holding licenses, I haven't run across it yet. I've just used the traditional activation when running windows in virtualbox and have had no problems.

For example: http://osxdaily.com/2018/09/09/how-find-windows-product-key/ which claims this for Linux (provided your laptop i new enough): cat /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM | tail -c 32 | xargs -0 echo So maybe VB won't provide this. But you can get it yourself and enter it in Windows. I think... -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/05/2019 02:56 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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For example:

http://osxdaily.com/2018/09/09/how-find-windows-product-key/

which claims this for Linux (provided your laptop i new enough):

cat /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM | tail -c 32 | xargs -0 echo Works here. I did not know that it was accessible thus.

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So maybe VB won't provide this. But you can get it yourself and enter it in Windows. I think... AFAIK, no, it is not accessible to a virtual machine. But I don't have a VM in this little laptop to try.

That would be nice.

Thankfully, I have nothing new enough to have that key... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 04/06/2019 21.32, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:15 PM David C. Rankin wrote:

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If there is some new firmware holding licenses, I haven't run across it yet. I've just used the traditional activation when running windows in virtualbox and have had no problems.

More on point:

https://superuser.com/questions/1402949/oem-license-activation-for-windows-1...

Ah, a manual trick! That's interesting. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))

Follow-up on the laptop. I decided to get a Dell XPS 13 9370 with MS Windows 10 Pro. We provide our software on Linux (primary measurement system) and Windows (some office stuff). Installing Tumbleweed went fine. I had to change the disk not to be RAID (which it how it is set up when delivered). If I did not do this, the disk was not found. All hardware seems to be working. Although there is a claim that there is a fingerprint (Goodix Fingerprint Device) reader (only removed in newer Ubuntu models), I could not get it to work on Windows. On Linux a device driver is loaded (cdc_acm). But I don't know what to do with it. I think there are issues with support from the hardware vendor. As usual... It's mostly a curiosity. I have not checked Bluetooth yet. As there are no USB-A connectors, I am playing with the idea of getting a Bluetooth mouse. I've not used them before. After the installation, I downloaded Windows 10 Pro from microsoft.com and installed it in VirtualBox. Using the method described earlier, I activated the OS using the product key for this PC. It seems to have worked. Just for fun I enabled the Linux sub-system for Windows (WSL) and, from the Microsoft Store, installed openSUSE 15.1. I now have an openSUSE 15.1 console (running in Windows 10, running in Virtual Box, running in Tumbleweed...) where I can run openSUSE. I even did a zypper up, and a few things were updated. The only thing I had a problem with in the WSL/openSUSE 15.1(minimal testing, mind you) was that dmesg complained that there was no timezone data. It said that the tzdata package should be installed. I'm not sure what package to which it is referring. And maybe this is actually something in the WSL and not in openSUSE. I have yet to see what is really opwnSUSE and what is WSL. uname -r, for example, lists: 4.4.0-18362-Microsoft. I will have to check out where the build source for WSL/openSUSE is. Maybe on OBS? Jut out of curiosity. Anyway, all good progress. Time to stop messing around and get to work with this thing. On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 4:05 PM Kukuh Syafaat wrote:

I'm using Dell XPS 13 (9360) with openSUSE Tumbleweed, so far everything is ok.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:06 AM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I'm considering getting a Dell XPS 13 (9380) to run Tumbleweed. Although it can be bought with Ubuntu, which implies decent Linux compatibility, I'm curious if anyone has experience running Tumbleweed on this computer?

It will probably be delivered with Windows 10 as that is the most common model in Sweden. I won't run Ubuntu anyway. I recall someone saying that the Windows license is in the BIOS (or whatever the comparable place is called these days), and that Windows can get the license from there. Meaning that I might be able to install Windows in VirtualBox and the delivered license be used. (VB would pass this info on?) That's nor a requirement. Just curious if I got that right.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:46:51 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 14/06/2019 09.27, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I have not checked Bluetooth yet. As there are no USB-A connectors, I am playing with the idea of getting a Bluetooth mouse. I've not used them before.

I tried one, an Amazon basics model, cheap. Worked instantly (on Windows). Then I removed it, I need it for a broken Android tablet, where it worked after some convincing.

The only issue is that you may need a working mouse to get the BT mouse working :-)

I have a Logitech bluetooth keyboard that I use with my Amazon Fire, and also with an iPad. It just works. So I'd be hopeful a bluetooth mouse would work without difficulty. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 12:03 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Linux and XFCE, BT is just impossible. I can only make my BT earphones work from the CLI, with an incantation that is not simple.

Also curious is how the mouse will work in VirtualBox. Perhaps the mouse is rather generic in VirtualBox and the fact that it is Buletooth paired by X11/KDE where VirtualBox is running is irrelevant in VirtualBox? -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday, 14 June 2019 19:21:32 ACST Dave Howorth wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:46:51 +0200

"Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 14/06/2019 09.27, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I have not checked Bluetooth yet. As there are no USB-A connectors, I am playing with the idea of getting a Bluetooth mouse. I've not used them before.

I tried one, an Amazon basics model, cheap. Worked instantly (on Windows). Then I removed it, I need it for a broken Android tablet, where it worked after some convincing.

The only issue is that you may need a working mouse to get the BT mouse working :-)

I have a Logitech bluetooth keyboard that I use with my Amazon Fire, and also with an iPad. It just works. So I'd be hopeful a bluetooth mouse would work without difficulty.

I second that. Get yourself a Logitech wireless mouse with the Logitech Unified Receiver - plug the receiver into the USB port and it will just work. You can pair additional Logitech devices (keyboards, mice) with the same receiver but this requires the Windows-based Logitech software. Yes, you CAN do that in Virtualbox - but you'll have to connect the USB Logitech Receiver to the guest rather than the host (through the Virtualbox Devices menu). Once you've paired the additional devices, disconnect the receiver from the guest (again, via Devices -> USB) and it will automatically reconnect to the host. Or, of course, you can use a Windows desktop/laptop/tablet to do the same thing. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au CCNA #CSCO12880208 ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 2:47 PM Rodney Baker wrote:

I second that. Get yourself a Logitech wireless mouse with the Logitech Unified Receiver - plug the receiver into the USB port and it will just work. You can pair additional Logitech devices (keyboards, mice) with the same receiver but this requires the Windows-based Logitech software.

This is what I usually use. This laptop does not have a USB-A connector. I can use an adapter. But then I have a thing off the side that is easily damaged. I need to see if Logitech have a USB-C receiver that is not so big. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi,

Follow-up on the laptop. I decided to get a Dell XPS 13 9370 with MS Windows 10 Pro. We provide our software on Linux (primary measurement system) and Windows (some office stuff).

Installing Tumbleweed went fine. I had to change the disk not to be RAID (which it how it is set up when delivered). If I did not do this, the disk was not found. All hardware seems to be working.

had the same issue. RAID on nvme is not supported under Linux. If I remember correctly, there isn't even a recognized specification for such a feature.

Although there is a claim that there is a fingerprint (Goodix Fingerprint Device) reader (only removed in newer Ubuntu models), I could not get it to work on Windows. On Linux a device driver is loaded (cdc_acm). But I don't know what to do with it. I think there are issues with support from the hardware vendor. As usual... It's mostly a curiosity.

That's why the fingerprint reader doesn't exist on Linux versions of this notebook.

I have not checked Bluetooth yet. As there are no USB-A connectors, I am playing with the idea of getting a Bluetooth mouse. I've not used them before.

Works here without any problem - also other bluetooth devices.

After the installation, I downloaded Windows 10 Pro from microsoft.com and installed it in VirtualBox. Using the method described earlier, I activated the OS using the product key for this PC. It seems to have worked. Just for fun I enabled the Linux sub-system for Windows (WSL) and, from the Microsoft Store, installed openSUSE 15.1. I now have an openSUSE 15.1 console (running in Windows 10, running in Virtual Box, running in Tumbleweed...) where I can run openSUSE. I even did a zypper up, and a few things were updated.

Crazy :) [...]

Anyway, all good progress. Time to stop messing around and get to work with this thing.

So no more fun :) Bye. Michael.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 4:05 PM Kukuh Syafaat wrote:

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I'm using Dell XPS 13 (9360) with openSUSE Tumbleweed, so far everything is ok.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:06 AM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I'm considering getting a Dell XPS 13 (9380) to run Tumbleweed. Although it can be bought with Ubuntu, which implies decent Linux compatibility, I'm curious if anyone has experience running Tumbleweed on this computer?

It will probably be delivered with Windows 10 as that is the most common model in Sweden. I won't run Ubuntu anyway. I recall someone saying that the Windows license is in the BIOS (or whatever the comparable place is called these days), and that Windows can get the license from there. Meaning that I might be able to install Windows in VirtualBox and the delivered license be used. (VB would pass this info on?) That's nor a requirement. Just curious if I got that right.

-- Roger Oberholtzer

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Hi,

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Michael Hirmke wrote:

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I have a Thunderbolt device that I am curious about. It came with a Lenovo laptop, so I'm really just screwing around to see what works and what does not work. When I plug it in, some messages are given. But none of the hardware is activated. I'm new to Thunderbolt. I would have thought that the hardware would be sort of like USB in that the Linux device driver would work everywhere that has a Thunderbolt interface. Of course, I don't know if the Lenovo Thunderbolt thing works on Linux on a Thinkpad. So that's something to play with.

I've also not explored the display port stuff and my antiquated displays. Something else to play with.

my Thunderbolt dock works like a charme. It is a CalDigit TS3 Plus. DisplayPort monitor, external SSDs - no problem so far. But it might be, that the Lenovo dock is a bit more problematic. I'm not sure, but I read somethin like that in the DELL forums.

But this is a work laptop. I will have to muck about with these thins on my own time...

Anyway - have fun :)

-- Roger Oberholtzer

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