[opensuse] Is 11.1 and kde3 really that broken??

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David C. Rankin

4 Jan 2009 4 Jan '09

23:22

Listmates, Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken. All updates have been applied. One bizarre bit of behavior is that when I open an application, for some reason the application is painted as my desktop background. See: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/111/kde3-weird-scrollbar-o... http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/111/kde3-weird-scrollbar-o... http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/111/kde3-weird-scrollbar-o... Notice in the first link, scroll bars have been drawn around my desktop background from accessing konsole (also a crashed ksnapshot reappeared when the screenshot was taken), then konqueror is splattered across the desktop, and then ccsm. What in the heck is going on? Then -- where have all the fonts gone? With an 11.0 install, there are a number of new fonts that were introduced. In 11.1 all are gone -- bye, bye.. Even the semi-standard Andale-Sans is nowhere to be found. Why the change in fonts? Then, why the kde4 dialog backgrounds? Opensuse updater applet is one prime example. I installed kde3 specifically to avoid the gnome look dialogs, but got them anyway. Is there a place to configure dialog selection that can tweak this? Then there is the broken compiz-emerald issue. Why must that be broken in every opensuse release? It worked in 11.0, then was horribly broken with the 0.7.8 release, then fixed and is working fine in 11.0. Not so for 11.1. Despite being shipped as part of the distro, compiz-emerald is as broken as can be. What needs to be fixed there? I also did an x86_64 install, and unfortunately, I am having the same problems with the 64 bit install. I would expect to be chasing bugs if I had installed kde4, but I wanted to set up several daily working boxes that I could "just get work done on" and leave the "development help" for the bleeding edge boxes with kde4 on them. Above all, with kde3 as mature as it is and working as well as it is on 10.3 and 11.0, I expected zero problems from kde3 on 11.1. I have experienced just the opposite. Are these problems known? Is it something wrong with just my 2 installs, that I can wipe and hopefully avoid on a reinstall? What is the word from the front-line? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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James Knott

4 Jan 4 Jan

23:29

David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

I installed 11.1 on two computers and switched one back to 11.0. The other is my "test" system, where 11.1 can't do any harm. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

5 Jan 5 Jan

13:46

James Knott wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

I installed 11.1 on two computers and switched one back to 11.0. The other is my "test" system, where 11.1 can't do any harm.

That seems to be the direction I'm leaning. One oddity was updates on Friday and again on Sunday on the x86_64 box. There were a bizillion updates for 11.1 on Friday. For some strange reason it tried to pull in SLE-branding for compiz, but then there were another bizillion updates Sunday that seemed to try and delete the SLE-branding stuff. Almost like the SLE/11.1 switch for updates got messed up. On the good side, the core-server apps on 11.1 seem OK. I have apache configured with https://, BIND, DHCP, MySQL, etc.. all clicking along without issue. It is the desktops that are whacko. I guess I'm lucky. I'm perfectly happy using icewm, and have all my custom menus built, so the desktops on 11.1 are not completely unusable. Just the KDE desktops. What do the Gnome folks say. Is Gnome working on 11.1? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

4 Jan 4 Jan

23:40

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-01-04 at 17:22 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks.

Do you use reiserfs, per chance? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklhSPUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XGHgCfboRd+280scYKwLbFPEBNtHzN whcAn08j8Zq+32B6YTe7Q+5x8enrgCSs =ubPJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

5 Jan 5 Jan

11:48

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

Why should that matter? I have used reiser for so long that I always just use it. No other fs I've tried can even touch the crash recovery of reiser. It's a must on my laptops. My experience with a new install of 11.1/KDE3 got me TinyWM. No idea why. I've pretty much written off 11.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

12:05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2009-01-05 at 06:48 -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

Why should that matter?

Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklh96kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WrIgCcCS8RQUsp8vajFSv7yD3+0chg F98AnjyoHhKzV1GnwkZL+mmEadnTfv1e =9GBA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

6 Jan 6 Jan

15:25

On Monday 05 January 2009 04:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Monday, 2009-01-05 at 06:48 -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

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Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

Why should that matter?

Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines.

Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

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-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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Larry Stotler

15:56

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines.

Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

I thought that was an old bug. Also, just don't install beagle. It's likely it's an issue with beagle anyway. I remove it/don't install it anyway. And, with that neopunk or whatever being installed with KDE4, that's just one more reason not to "upgrade" or "downgrade" to 11.1. I'm sorry to say that 11.1 looks to be another of the x.1 releases that aren't going to be worth it. And, the worst part is that it was the base for SLE 11.0. The dev time was way too short, and the end product is telling. 6 months isn't enough to verify that things are ready. I know that the devs do a great job, but too many releases too often is something that I feel should be avoided. Just my 2 cents. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

16:03

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 07:56, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines.

Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

I thought that was an old bug. Also, just don't install beagle. It's likely it's an issue with beagle anyway. I remove it/don't install it anyway. And, with that neopunk or whatever being installed with KDE4, that's just one more reason not to "upgrade" or "downgrade" to 11.1.

Yes, yes, yes. Beagle is evil. Shun the bad little doggy. I want to know the actual triggering conditions for this bug. A pointer to the Bugzilla entry would be sufficient, though generally speaking, Bugzilla gives me an _awful_ rash.

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I'm sorry to say ... my 2 cents.

Is that so? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

auxsvr＠gmail.com

16:04

On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

It's definitely a kernel bug, it's triggered easily using beagle on reiserfs.

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Randall Schulz

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Randall R Schulz

16:14

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 08:04, auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

It's definitely a kernel bug, it's triggered easily using beagle on reiserfs.

OK. That's not the worst thing, since I don't intend to install Beagle (I've been happy with Google Desktop, and supposedly there's a CLI interface in the offing!), but I'm still uneasy about kernel / FS crashing bugs of any sort. On the other hand, I'd prefer ReiserFS performance. Maybe I should go with XFS. It's served me very well since SuSE Linux ... what? 7? 8?? I can't remember any more. I remember once upon a time having to write an XFS driver to a floppy to get through the first stage of installation 'cause the main installer got shipped with a buggy XFS driver (or maybe missing the XFS driver entirely? It was a long time ago...).

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Regards, Peter

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Carlos E. R.

17:05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-01-06 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Why should that matter?

Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines.

Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

Yep, the three. The guess is that beagle exercises the filesystem, perhaps by using a rare functionality, that triggers this fault. There could be other programs triggering this, too: no way to know, since we plain users do not know what the problem really is (Bug 448007). And yes, this or something very similar also affected 11.0 at the beginning. Even now my 11.0 likes to lock about once a month, reason unknown. Notice that no filesystem is completely safe: for instance, I have opened bugzillas (Bug 345039) against xfs crashing the system, when you use the combination of xfs, encryption, and large file write. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkljj2AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WuQwCdGJ+NPxPFRmYrOOb0n6QsQY79 mT0AnRQWcvpD9MEQ+bOZhCD5zXUb358S =OSOy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

17:18

On Tuesday 06 January 2009 09:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Tuesday, 2009-01-06 at 07:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Why should that matter?

Because on 11.1, it matters. There is an open bugzilla, re reiser and beagle crashing machines.

Is it the combination of all three? 11.1 + ReiserFS + Beagle? Or is it just 11.1 and Reiser?

Yep, the three. The guess is that beagle exercises the filesystem, perhaps by using a rare functionality, that triggers this fault. There could be other programs triggering this, too: no way to know, since we plain users do not know what the problem really is (Bug 448007).

That makes me wonder if the activity of, say, Google Desktop might not expose one to similar risk of a crash.

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And yes, this or something very similar also affected 11.0 at the beginning. Even now my 11.0 likes to lock about once a month, reason unknown.

My 10.0 system does this, too, with about the same frequency. It's usually in conjunction with disk activity (if I'm around and using the system when it happens and the monitor is not in the screen saver or in power-save mode, I'll see the System Monitor dock applet shoing a lot of green (I/O wait) in the CPU column). Since the lock-up is, as far as I can tell, total (no virtual console switching, to SSH access, mouse frozen, caps- and num-lock lights non-responsive, no response of any sort), I'm always forced to do a reset or power cycle and thus never get any information on what's really going wrong.

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Notice that no filesystem is completely safe: for instance, I have opened bugzillas (Bug 345039) against xfs crashing the system, when you use the combination of xfs, encryption, and large file write.

My problem with XFS has been limited to files containing all zeros if they were in use (i.e., if they were recently written) when one of the aforementioned lock-ups (or the occasional power failure) occurs. That's annoying, but the files in question have always been those for which I have backups or are inconsequential, so it hasn't been a tragedy when it does happen. Thanks for the information.

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-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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Carlos E. R.

20:17

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-01-06 at 09:18 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Tuesday 06 January 2009 09:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Yep, the three. The guess is that beagle exercises the filesystem, perhaps by using a rare functionality, that triggers this fault. There could be other programs triggering this, too: no way to know, since we plain users do not know what the problem really is (Bug 448007).

That makes me wonder if the activity of, say, Google Desktop might not expose one to similar risk of a crash.

Who knows? But my guess is that the use some "clever" or "advanced" function that is little used and little tested.

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And yes, this or something very similar also affected 11.0 at the beginning. Even now my 11.0 likes to lock about once a month, reason unknown.

My 10.0 system does this, too, with about the same frequency. It's usually in conjunction with disk activity (if I'm around and using the system when it happens and the monitor is not in the screen saver or in power-save mode, I'll see the System Monitor dock applet shoing a lot of green (I/O wait) in the CPU column). Since the lock-up is, as far as I can tell, total (no virtual console switching, to SSH access, mouse frozen, caps- and num-lock lights non-responsive, no response of any sort), I'm always forced to do a reset or power cycle and thus never get any information on what's really going wrong.

Exactly, same thing.

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Notice that no filesystem is completely safe: for instance, I have opened bugzillas (Bug 345039) against xfs crashing the system, when you use the combination of xfs, encryption, and large file write.

My problem with XFS has been limited to files containing all zeros if they were in use (i.e., if they were recently written) when one of the aforementioned lock-ups (or the occasional power failure) occurs. That's annoying, but the files in question have always been those for which I have backups or are inconsequential, so it hasn't been a tragedy when it does happen.

Xfs can allocate large files on a single call, I understand. It is one of the new functionalities added to ext4, I think they call it "extents". Reiserfs might have it, too, dunno. This thing allows xfs, for instance, to delete a large file (gigs) virtually instantly, while ext3 takes some long seconds to do so. So far, I haven't lost data on these lockups, but... I might. Eventually, I will :-(

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Thanks for the information.

Welcome! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkljvFwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W5ZwCeK6cUUff2Kbg30QqeZV5rdLDr nqAAoJiIf/WlcoBLyMesL2huWJNjxvTw =hwAp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

5 Jan 5 Jan

17:09

On Monday 2009 January 05 05:48:44 Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

I have used reiser for so long that I always just use it. No other fs I've tried can even touch the crash recovery of reiser. It's a must on my laptops.

I swear by reiserfs as well. (Well, when I'm not swearing *at* it.) However, I think switching to JFS/XFS/EXT4 might be a better future-proof plan. ISTR reiserfs having open kernel bugs, and fewer and fewer kernel developers are wanting to touch the code, other than making sure it's kept up-to-date. Are there any recent published benchmarks for the filesystems? Is bonnie still the definitive benchmarking program? Seeing as the "dev" suffix is being dropped from the ext4 driver soon (if not already), it seems about time to benchmark it and see some performance numbers. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

Larry Stotler

6 Jan 6 Jan

04:17

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

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I swear by reiserfs as well. (Well, when I'm not swearing *at* it.) However, I think switching to JFS/XFS/EXT4 might be a better future-proof plan. ISTR reiserfs having open kernel bugs, and fewer and fewer kernel developers are wanting to touch the code, other than making sure it's kept up-to-date.

That's a shame considering how long resier3 has been around and how stable it really is. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

5 Jan 5 Jan

13:48

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Sunday, 2009-01-04 at 17:22 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks.

Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Nope, All standard ext3. Both the i586 install and the x86_84 install are pure 'single' disk default ext3 installs. No RAID, nothing fancy. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

17:39

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:40 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Sunday, 2009-01-04 at 17:22 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks.

Do you use reiserfs, per chance?

I did and at this point 1 week after re-install, it's all working (less the tv card) from what i can tell, but it has been fun getting apps (evolution, kvirc) to take the info from 10.2. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

05:36

David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

I have been running 11.1 on my son's laptop for a bit now. Except for the annoyance that I can't shutdown from KDE (which I hope will be fixed) I've had no issues. Here's his desktop with Firefox running (warning - 1.2 MB file) http://www.donutmonster.com/stuff/20090104_opensuse11_1_kde3.png -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

12:29

Kai Ponte pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

I have been running 11.1 on my son's laptop for a bit now. Except for the annoyance that I can't shutdown from KDE (which I hope will be fixed) I've had no issues.

Here's his desktop with Firefox running (warning - 1.2 MB file)

http://www.donutmonster.com/stuff/20090104_opensuse11_1_kde3.png

The only thing I have found broken is being able to modify the screen saver. ( 11.1 KDE3.x 32 bit ) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

13:50

Kai Ponte wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

I have been running 11.1 on my son's laptop for a bit now. Except for the annoyance that I can't shutdown from KDE (which I hope will be fixed) I've had no issues.

Here's his desktop with Firefox running (warning - 1.2 MB file)

http://www.donutmonster.com/stuff/20090104_opensuse11_1_kde3.png

Kai, That's good to hear! (I had to save your screenshot. It will make a great desktop for my daughter...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

14:01

On Sunday 04 January 2009 21:36, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Here's his desktop with Firefox running (warning - 1.2 MB file)

http://www.donutmonster.com/stuff/20090104_opensuse11_1_kde3.png

Looks like you've got some updates to apply... RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sven Burmeister

10:54

Am Montag, 5. Januar 2009 00:22:24 schrieb David C. Rankin:

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http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/111/kde3-weird-scrollbar- on-desktop-ccsm-800.jpg

Notice in the first link, scroll bars have been drawn around my desktop background from accessing konsole (also a crashed ksnapshot reappeared when the screenshot was taken), then konqueror is splattered across the desktop, and then ccsm. What in the heck is going on?

Does this happen without compiz too? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

13:54

Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Montag, 5. Januar 2009 00:22:24 schrieb David C. Rankin:

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http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/111/kde3-weird-scrollbar- on-desktop-ccsm-800.jpg

Notice in the first link, scroll bars have been drawn around my desktop background from accessing konsole (also a crashed ksnapshot reappeared when the screenshot was taken), then konqueror is splattered across the desktop, and then ccsm. What in the heck is going on?

Does this happen without compiz too?

Sven

Yes, It doesn't matter whether I have compiz running or kwin, the funky 'shadow apps' as backgrounds always appear on my laptop. (Toshiba P35, (P4 3.33GHz 548 Proc.w/2G)) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

16:48

New subject: [opensuse] Is 11.1 and kde3 really that broken?? [Can You Think of TESTS??]

David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Over the holidays, I had a chance to really try and configure kde 3.5.10 on 11.1 resulting in some really weird behavior and numerous hard locks. I installed a fresh copy of 11.1 i586 from the dvd. First, I got kde4 desktop. Then reconfiguring I did get kde3, but it is really broken.

Listmates, One thing that may be really helpful here for testing purposes with 11.1 is that I currently have (3) hard drives for this laptop. One running 10.3, one running 11.0 and the problem child running 11.1. Can anyone think of a couple of comparisons to run to help identify where 11.1 is having problems? I can attach all 3 at the same time (2 via usb/ide connect cables). I know kde to the extent of being able to configure/customize and get what I want out of it extensively, but I don't know where to start attacking the strange problems I am having with the shadow backgrounds, etc. Can anyone think of a few good tests? I'm more than happy to take the time to run them. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
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David C. Rankin
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Ken Schneider
Larry Stotler
Mike McMullin
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