[opensuse] Which kernel use?
Hi, A few days ago I found article about 'Which kernel use in Linux distribution' but I can't find that again, so I just started to thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system. On kernel.org there's a LTS kernel which version is 4.19.55 or 4.14.129 but in openSUSE Leap 15.1 is 4.12.14 and as I assume the newest modules(?), drivers(?) are included as a backport right? If I'm wrong do not hesitate to correct me. -- Cheers, MM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/06/2019 à 20:21, sysek a écrit :
thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system.
no kernel newer than the one provided should break the system, the worst case is you need to restart with the old kernel... but all the kmp stuff wont probably work, with the need to recompile some kernels (Nvidia, Virtual box...) I have used KOTD https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day sometime needed for newest hardware jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 23. Juni 2019 20:21:56 MESZ schrieb sysek <unknowm@420blaze.it>:
Hi,
A few days ago I found article about 'Which kernel use in Linux distribution' but I can't find that again, so I just started to thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system. On kernel.org there's a LTS kernel which version is 4.19.55 or 4.14.129 but in openSUSE Leap 15.1 is 4.12.14 and as I assume the newest modules(?), drivers(?) are included as a backport right? If I'm wrong do not hesitate to correct me.
-- Cheers, MM
Hi, this one? http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2018/08/24/what-stable-kernel-should-i-use/ Regards, vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 6/23/19 9:23 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am 23. Juni 2019 20:21:56 MESZ schrieb sysek <unknowm@420blaze.it>:
Hi,
A few days ago I found article about 'Which kernel use in Linux distribution' but I can't find that again, so I just started to thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system. On kernel.org there's a LTS kernel which version is 4.19.55 or 4.14.129 but in openSUSE Leap 15.1 is 4.12.14 and as I assume the newest modules(?), drivers(?) are included as a backport right? If I'm wrong do not hesitate to correct me.
-- Cheers, MM Hi,
this one? http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2018/08/24/what-stable-kernel-should-i-use/
Regards, vinz.
yes, this one! thank you :) -- Cheers, MM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/06/2019 21.23, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am 23. Juni 2019 20:21:56 MESZ schrieb sysek <unknowm@420blaze.it>:
Hi,
A few days ago I found article about 'Which kernel use in Linux distribution' but I can't find that again, so I just started to thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system. On kernel.org there's a LTS kernel which version is 4.19.55 or 4.14.129 but in openSUSE Leap 15.1 is 4.12.14 and as I assume the newest modules(?), drivers(?) are included as a backport right? If I'm wrong do not hesitate to correct me.
Hi,
this one? http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2018/08/24/what-stable-kernel-should-i-use/
«Hierarchy of what kernel to use, from best solution to worst: Supported kernel from your favorite Linux distribution Latest stable release Latest LTS release Older LTS release that is still being maintained ... Lots of people seem to like the old, “traditional” model of a distribution and use RHEL, SLES, CentOS or the “LTS” Ubuntu release. Those distros pick a specific kernel version and then camp out on it for years, if not decades. They do loads of work backporting the latest bugfixes and sometimes new features to these kernels, all in a Quixote quest to keep the version number from never being changed, despite having many thousands of changes on top of that older kernel version. This work is a truly thankless job, and the developers assigned to these tasks do some wonderful work in order to achieve these goals. If you like never seeing your kernel version number change, then use these distributions. They usually cost some money to use, but the support you get from these companies is worth it when something goes wrong. So again, the best kernel you can use is one that someone else supports, and you can turn to for help. Use that support, usually you are already paying for it (for the enterprise distributions), and those companies know what they are doing.» ;-) Pity he forgot to mention openSUSE there, which comes gratis. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.0 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 06/23/2019 01:21 PM, sysek wrote:
Hi,
A few days ago I found article about 'Which kernel use in Linux distribution' but I can't find that again, so I just started to thinking, which kernel can I use to not break the system. On kernel.org there's a LTS kernel which version is 4.19.55 or 4.14.129 but in openSUSE Leap 15.1 is 4.12.14 and as I assume the newest modules(?), drivers(?) are included as a backport right? If I'm wrong do not hesitate to correct me.
You should use the kernel that comes with the distribution you install, and is updated by the distro through its update repository -- unless you have hardware that is not supported by the normal kernel. That is the only real reason you would want another kernel. (there are some other reasons you want to look at a real-time kernel, etc.., but primarily, it is a hardware support consideration) openSuSE backports all critical security fixes to the kernel in the update repository. So whether it is 4.4 (in Leap 42.3) or 4.12 (in Leap 15.0 & 15.1), they all contain the latest critical security fixes so long as the release continues to receive updates. (they have also receive backports of the various spectre performance mitigations, etc. to a lesser degree) That said, you are free to experiment and install any kernel you want to try. the KOTD (kernel of the day) repository contains the latest kernel packaged for your release. Nothing wrong with trying any kernel you want to. Bottom line is unless you have bleeding-edge hardware (or older hardware that just had support added to the new kernel), or have some unique setup, you will not notice any difference in changing kernels, though there is always benefit in the learning exercise. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-06-24 03:20, David C. Rankin wrote:
You should use the kernel that comes with the distribution you install, and is updated by the distro through its update repository -- unless you have hardware that is not supported by the normal kernel. That is the only real reason you would want another kernel. (there are some other reasons you want to look at a real-time kernel, etc.., but primarily, it is a hardware support consideration)
I have CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 and GPU Radeon MX 570 - that's why I was using KOTD earlier but now I stayed with kernel that comes with Leap 15.1 and it runs ok. Question is if I'm going to miss some features, performance?
Bottom line is unless you have bleeding-edge hardware (or older hardware that just had support added to the new kernel), or have some unique setup, you will not notice any difference in changing kernels, though there is always benefit in the learning exercise.
I used to do Gentoo install but it was like years ago :P -- Cheers, MM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/24/2019 02:35 AM, unknowm@420blaze.it wrote:
I have CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 and GPU Radeon MX 570 - that's why I was using KOTD earlier but now I stayed with kernel that comes with Leap 15.1 and it runs ok. Question is if I'm going to miss some features, performance?
Answer: No, you are not going to miss any performance with the standard kernel. In fact it will be completely transparent what you are running. I suspect the only way you would even know what you are running is by watching the boot process or issuing `uname -r` at the command prompt. The reason you search for a new kernel is your hardware won't work at all or you are doing some type of real-time data acquisition requiring more control over the kernel scheduler. Otherwise, so long as your hardware is running, you won't be able to tell any difference between kernel version. And for normal computing, you do NOT want a real-time kernel to begin with. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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jdd@dodin.org
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sysek
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unknowm@420blaze.it
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Vinzenz Vietzke