Attention "Houghi" After reading your comments to others daily, that include "Do not take this as a flame", I thought I would give you my personal point of view that your comments are yes, indeed inflammatory, and do nothing to really foster giving others the kind of help they come seeking. Take a hard close look at the lengthy mailing list and you'll see for yourself how others who may not even know anything about the terminologies, find same confusing. So then I ask, if you're really feeling so helpful, if you, (and or others) know the answer to the question that others pose, why not then go ahead and give it to them, and AFTER doing so, give them a kind pointer to what YOU consider to be the proper place to pose their questions. I've been hanging around the Linux community long before graphical access was available for the web, and am one of the original 100 beta testers for Red Hat. I also follow many different Linux related newsgroups, and have seen the kind of comments you throw out by others many times. And in doing so, IMHO, your actions do nothing to foster a friendly and helpful environment for those not familiar with the operating system and do nothing to encourage or foster a transition from other operating systems. It's close to, if not comparable, to those "mightier than thou" individuals that answer a query telling others to "go look it up for themselves" as "they" had to do when they learned the operating system. All this does is give others the impression that this is some kind of "closed" community, some kind of private club, once again, IMHO. I wonder if you're the officially appointed moderator of this group. Are you? Do you speak for everyone? If so, by what authority? So, Houghi, I'll say to you, what you say to others that come here seeking help. "Do not take this as a flame" and I'm sure that you'll accept it in the same warm fuzzy manner that you expect others to do of your words.

On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:13:53AM -0700, Sac Geek wrote:

Take a hard close look at the lengthy mailing list and you'll see for yourself how others who may not even know anything about the terminologies, find same confusing.

Then please correct the terminologies that are confusing.

So then I ask, if you're really feeling so helpful, if you, (and or others) know the answer to the question that others pose, why not then go ahead and give it to them, and AFTER doing so, give them a kind pointer to what YOU consider to be the proper place to pose their questions.

Because that would not be an icentive to go and post in the correct place. Instead it is a reason to ignore the advice and ask more questions. <snip>

It's close to, if not comparable, to those "mightier than thou" individuals that answer a query telling others to "go look it up for themselves" as "they" had to do when they learned the operating system.

By no means do I wish to say to look it up themselves. I merely point out the correct place to find said information and where to ask others. It is like learning a man to fish instead of giving him a fiish. <snip>

"Do not take this as a flame" and I'm sure that you'll accept it in the same warm fuzzy manner that you expect others to do of your words.

No need to say it as I do not see it as a flame. If the toning of the standard mail is in any way offencive or makes it unclear to what I want to say, then I am sorry and would love to see a correction, without changing the fact that it points out that this is not the correct place to ask the question. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier...

Am Montag, den 29.05.2006, 20:35 +0200 schrieb houghi:

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On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:13:53AM -0700, Sac Geek wrote:

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Take a hard close look at the lengthy mailing list and you'll see for yourself how others who may not even know anything about the terminologies, find same confusing.

Then please correct the terminologies that are confusing.

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Now I am confused. Can anyone help out with this? Just subscribe via this email address : suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com,

Mario Gzuk wrote: post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. This list is not about technical support. I sincerely hope that helps. PS: Houghi and Sac Geek: I agree with Houghi. Maybe it would be better if Houghi's mail had read: <snip> openSUSE is the comunity and SUSE is the distribution. This means that this openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. The mailinglist for technical help is on *suse-linux-e* Just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. <snip> -- Regards Kenneth Aar

Mario Gzuk wrote:

Am Montag, den 29.05.2006, 20:35 +0200 schrieb houghi:

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On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:13:53AM -0700, Sac Geek wrote:

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Take a hard close look at the lengthy mailing list and you'll see for yourself how others who may not even know anything about the terminologies, find same confusing.

Then please correct the terminologies that are confusing. ....

Now I am confused. Can anyone help out with this?

As houghi said, your question is better asked elsewhere, e.g. on suse-autoinstall@suse.com . /Per Jessen, Zürich