urgent: how to write to reiserfs on 15.3?
Hi, all my encrypted external disks are with reiserfs. No I want to read/write to one of them on my new pad and it says "unkonwn filesystem type 'reiserfs'. What do I have to install so that 15.3 remembers the forgotten system? I installed reiserfs-kmp-default and libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7 it can read the disks but not write to them. What else do I need? Need urgent help please, thanks! Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
all my encrypted external disks are with reiserfs. No I want to read/write to one of them on my new pad and it says "unkonwn filesystem type 'reiserfs'.
What do I have to install so that 15.3 remembers the forgotten system?
I installed reiserfs-kmp-default and libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7
No, not libreiser4, you can not install that one. Remove it. You need version 3.
it can read the disks but not write to them. What else do I need?
Bummer. I have computers with reiserfs that I have not yet upgraded to 15.3. I don't have hardware now (I'm not home) to try a virtual machine and investigate. What happens if you try to "mount -v whatever" one of them? What do you see in the log? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
all my encrypted external disks are with reiserfs. No I want to read/write to one of them on my new pad and it says "unkonwn filesystem type 'reiserfs'.
What do I have to install so that 15.3 remembers the forgotten system?
I installed reiserfs-kmp-default and libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7
No, not libreiser4, you can not install that one. Remove it. You need version 3.
it can read the disks but not write to them. What else do I need?
Bummer. I have computers with reiserfs that I have not yet upgraded to 15.3. I don't have hardware now (I'm not home) to try a virtual machine and investigate.
What happens if you try to "mount -v whatever" one of them? What do you see in the log?
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems. Now it seems I ruined my brand new ssd. I'll open a new thread. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Am 27.07.21 um 14:03 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link?
https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/2017/08/29/suse-y-opensuse-no-daran-sopo... https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15/#InstUpgrade.Upgrade Point 3.2.12: " With SUSE Linux Enterprise 15, support for ReiserFS will be completely removed from YaST and the installer will block the upgrade when it detects a ReiserFS file system. For existing data partitions formatted with ReiserFS, we suggest converting them to Btrfs before migrating your system to SUSE Linux Enterprise 15. " -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 27/07/2021 14.11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:03 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link?
https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/2017/08/29/suse-y-opensuse-no-daran-sopo...
Will read later.
https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15/#InstUpgrade.Upgrade Point 3.2.12: " With SUSE Linux Enterprise 15, support for ReiserFS will be completely removed from YaST and the installer will block the upgrade when it detects a ReiserFS file system.
For existing data partitions formatted with ReiserFS, we suggest converting them to Btrfs before migrating your system to SUSE Linux Enterprise 15. "
This is old and doesn't affect you. Don't panic and stay calm :-) It just means that the upgrade method of booting the DVD, choosing upgrade, will halt as soon as it sees a resierfs partition in the fstab file. It is OLD. Tricks: remove the entries from fstab, and add them later, or use zypper dup instead to upgrade and continue using reiserfs. Text says "support removed from yast". Not from kernel or system. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 27/07/2021 14.26, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 27/07/2021 14.11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:03 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link?
https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/2017/08/29/suse-y-opensuse-no-daran-sopo...
Will read later.
Again, old stuff in panic mode. It affects upgrades and can be bypassed easily. This laptop has home in reiserfs. I will eventually migrate, or maybe I will have to buy a new laptop, 4gigs of ram is not enough. It is 11 years old, I think. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Am 27.07.21 um 14:26 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 14.11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:03 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link?
https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/2017/08/29/suse-y-opensuse-no-daran-sopo...
Will read later.
https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15/#InstUpgrade.Upgrade Point 3.2.12: " With SUSE Linux Enterprise 15, support for ReiserFS will be completely removed from YaST and the installer will block the upgrade when it detects a ReiserFS file system.
For existing data partitions formatted with ReiserFS, we suggest converting them to Btrfs before migrating your system to SUSE Linux Enterprise 15. "
This is old and doesn't affect you.
Don't panic and stay calm :-)
ok, try not to panic... my time is running away :-) Didn't think that something that simple like plugging a usb-disk could lead to problems....
It just means that the upgrade method of booting the DVD, choosing upgrade, will halt as soon as it sees a resierfs partition in the fstab file. It is OLD. Tricks: remove the entries from fstab, and add them later, or use zypper dup instead to upgrade and continue using reiserfs.
Text says "support removed from yast". Not from kernel or system.
Now I removed libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7 from 15.3. but still (after reboot) only have read access on 15.3 (on 15.1 I can read/write). Can I get write access somehow, or do I have to go on to try installing ext4? -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 27/07/2021 14.35, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:26 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
Now I removed libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7 from 15.3. but still (after reboot) only have read access on 15.3 (on 15.1 I can read/write).
Can I get write access somehow, or do I have to go on to try installing ext4?
By all means, install ext4 to new disk, and we'll investigate old ones when you can. I need to see output of "mount -v whateveryoudo" on the external reiser disk, and "dmesg" NEW output when you do that. Then output of "mount -v", and try to write a file, with dmesg output. We need to see facts, not your interpretation of them, so that we can add eyes over your shoulder. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
Am 27.07.21 um 14:43 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 14.35, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:26 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
Now I removed libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7 from 15.3. but still (after reboot) only have read access on 15.3 (on 15.1 I can read/write).
Can I get write access somehow, or do I have to go on to try installing ext4?
By all means, install ext4 to new disk, and we'll investigate old ones when you can.
I need to see output of "mount -v whateveryoudo" on the external reiser disk, and "dmesg" NEW output when you do that. Then output of "mount -v", and try to write a file, with dmesg output.
We need to see facts, not your interpretation of them, so that we can add eyes over your shoulder.
Yes, you are right Carlos. There's not enough time here to investigate deeply and I am terribly nervous. See reply to other thread. :-) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 2021-07-27 8:43 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 27/07/2021 14.35, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:26 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
Now I removed libreiser4-1_2-1 and libaal-1_0-7 from 15.3. but still (after reboot) only have read access on 15.3 (on 15.1 I can read/write).
Can I get write access somehow, or do I have to go on to try installing ext4?
By all means, install ext4 to new disk, and we'll investigate old ones when you can.
I need to see output of "mount -v whateveryoudo" on the external reiser disk, and "dmesg" NEW output when you do that. Then output of "mount -v", and try to write a file, with dmesg output.
We need to see facts, not your interpretation of them, so that we can add eyes over your shoulder.
/home/anton/Photographs type reiserfs /home/anton/Mail type reiserfs /home/anton/MyMovies/M4Vb type reiserfs /home/anton/Photographs/ByYear/2020 type reiserfs /home/anton/Downloads type reiserfs /home/anton/MyMovies/M4Va type reiserfs I realise that BtrFS can, when individually mounted on partitions, shrink and grow like ReiserFS, but that's not the way it was designed. certainly Ext4 isn't a real B-Tree file system like ReiserFS & BtrFS. lets face it, Ext4 still harks back to the original V6/V7 file system where you pre-allocated a certain number of indeed in i-node space on the drive partition at MKFS time and that was that. Yes the Ext4 space allocation and management might be more efficient because it is B-tree managed, but it doesn't have the "unbound" aspect of ReiserFS, BtrFS and a couple of other of the REAL B-Tree file systems. The other thing I don't like about Ext4 (and that goes for other file systems too) are all the MKFS and mount time options. A file system should be 'general purpose unless otherwise clearly stated. Now I'll grant you that some types of storage can be specific. The "MyMovies" tree should be like that, all big files. But photos? The problem there is that while the RAW and other image files ARE large the 'sidecar' or edit log files are not, they are just text file. Talking of text files, there's also 'book', be they Guttenberg or e-books. variable in size but not too large. Yes, all of these can be categorized and isolated on the overall FS and the underlying FS optimized', whatever that my mean. But perhaps that's not really relevant with a good B-Tree FS. Which Ext4 is NOT. Why is it not? Well read the man page. tune2fs ext4 and ironically for what is supposed to be B-Tree allocation e4defrag Something as fundamental a a file system that needs all this 'tweaking & tuning' is a indulgence for the programmer and operator. It used to be that great advantage of UNIX over the BigName operating systems was that UNIX was a 'set up up and leave it' that didn't need full time sysops on shifts. There weren't all these 'turntables'. Really: BtrFS is a massive step in the direction of the old IBM 1960s model file systems and OS support. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 2021-07-27 8:11 a.m., Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 14:03 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 27.07.21 um 13:48 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 27/07/2021 13.18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Oh, I just read that Opensuse condemned all my backups to death, causing me extreme problems.
Where, please? Link?
https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/2017/08/29/suse-y-opensuse-no-daran-sopo...
https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15/#InstUpgrade.Upgrade Point 3.2.12: " With SUSE Linux Enterprise 15, support for ReiserFS will be completely removed from YaST and the installer will block the upgrade when it detects a ReiserFS file system.
For existing data partitions formatted with ReiserFS, we suggest converting them to Btrfs before migrating your system to SUSE Linux Enterprise 15. "
Ah the Fascist (or is that Communist) file system, the "One File System to Rule Them All". (Disk drives, that is) More and more it's getting to be a YaRtLS (Yet another Reason to Leave SUSE). So: what systems out there ARE staying with ReiserFS? Are any looking to Reiser4? -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 27/07/2021 14.49, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2021-07-27 8:11 a.m., Daniel Bauer wrote:
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https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/15/#InstUpgrade.Upgrade
Point 3.2.12: " With SUSE Linux Enterprise 15, support for ReiserFS will be completely removed from YaST and the installer will block the upgrade when it detects a ReiserFS file system.
For existing data partitions formatted with ReiserFS, we suggest converting them to Btrfs before migrating your system to SUSE Linux Enterprise 15. "
Ah the Fascist (or is that Communist) file system, the "One File System to Rule Them All". (Disk drives, that is)
More and more it's getting to be a YaRtLS (Yet another Reason to Leave SUSE).
So: what systems out there ARE staying with ReiserFS? Are any looking to Reiser4?
Anton, the only thing that was removed (on 15.0) was YaST support for reiserfs. The system itself continues having support for it. I don't think 15.3 has removed support, it must be something else that we have to investigate. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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