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hettar＠teleport.com

9 Jun 1998 9 Jun '98

04:52

reposting cause of netscape screwed up my message with line returns that I did not put there :( I would deleate the old msg myself but it didn't work ---------------------------------- Why SuSE 5.3? I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2 SuSE. Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their dedication to release a new SuSE every 4 months or so. Which by it-self has me wondering, do I really need 5.3? (yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates). I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to use one new feature such as glibc2. I know maybe the delay is for maybe to be able to put in 2.2.0 Kernel with the SuSE 6.0 as they just released 2.1.105 with HAM radio drivers (which is to me looking like they about finished with the 2.1.XX development)=(they throwing all the bells and whistles in). I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to support the now linux standard of glibc2. Everything is going that way, why wait. Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it. Seeing the RH users having fun/trubbles with it, and seeing Debian get tons of support + having their beta 2.0 called HAMM is getting me jealous. Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly - patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own version of the Kernel thus making it un-pactchable by some of the standard patches for the Linux Kernels, this is fustrating. I could use a standard-out-of-the-box Kernel source-tree, I have before, so I am wondering as stated above what makes the -suse kernels so different/ should I wait? I did notice that most distros have to append LILO if they have over 32Megs of RAM but I have never had that problem. I really enjoy SuSE, it is keeping pretty much standard to the Linux community. Unlike lets say Red Hat, which strays by putting in thier "easy-to-use-config" programs which are not standard, and making people who help RH users "Have" to be Red Hat users themselfs. But RH over all is a good distro as all of them are. This is not over the .rpm management program. Steve Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it? -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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misc.word.corp＠pobox.com

9 Jun 9 Jun

10:53

I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0. There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages have received updates of one kind or another. This ML might be one avenue to open up the forum for suggestions for 5.3, if users are in agreement. -- Glenn -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan＠nfinity.com

16:37

OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including. I'm leaving out glibc and gnome, but those would be #1 of course. I hope SuSE's relationship, if any, with kde doesn't keep them from backing gnome. After a month of getting the gnome mailing list I can honestly say I'm excited about the prospects. Never have I seen such an active and productive list. You can't help but feel that gnome will be important in the future of the linux desktop.: 1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office suite to boot. Does Stardivision have an agreement with Caldera that prevents other dists from including it? 2. Automake 1.3 3. Libtool 1.2 4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool. 5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives. 6. TkMount- a neat little gui interface to mounting cd, floppy, zip. 7. Playmidi and Xplaymidi- still the best linux midi players. 8. Games Doom Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95. 9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client. Everyone uses this, but I've never seen it in a dist. Why? 10. x11amp and amp- We all use mp3s, right? 11. Netscape plugins- mpegtv.so, xanim.so and ump.so/timidity.tar. These are useful plugins, and in the case of timidity.tar would save the customer a 9 mb download. 12. pppd-2.3.3 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x. 14. egcs-1.0.3a- gcc-2.7.2.1 is more reliable than gcc-2.8.x, but I'm starting to run into apps that need a newer gcc. egcs-1.0.3a compiles everything I've tried, where gcc-2.8.x unexpectedly bails on some stuff. 15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE already includes tkstep so why not? Sorry for the long post, I'm sure I forgot a bunch of stuff. misc.word.corp wrote:

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I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0. There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages have received updates of one kind or another.

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djb＠redhat.com

18:17

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OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including. I'm leaving out glibc and gnome, but those would be #1 of course. I hope SuSE's relationship, if any, with kde doesn't keep them from backing gnome. After a month of getting the gnome mailing list I can honestly say I'm excited about the prospects. Never have I seen such an active and productive list. You can't help but feel that gnome will be important in the future of the linux desktop.:

I agree.

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1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office suite to boot. Does Stardivision have an agreement with Caldera that prevents other dists from including it?

I believe that Caldera *does* have an exclusive with them. Also, it's not "free" for commercial use so I think Star Division only wants to deal with distributors on a royalty basis per copy that they sell so that they are assured of the revenue from companies that buy the Linux distro (ie if a company pays $50 for a Linux distro and SO is on there they are going to assume they can just use it and not pay).

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2. Automake 1.3 3. Libtool 1.2

You want those so you can build Gnome. :-)

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4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool.

Got a URL handy?

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5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives.

Is it easier than fetchmail? I can't imagine it is unless it includes a GUI for setup or something. Care to give us a comparison?

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8. Games Doom

Doom can't be shipped in Germany. It's illegal.

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Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95.

Well, of course I'm speaking for RH here, but Xmame is dangerous at best. For one, to come close to legally shipping it you can't ship any ROM images. That makes it pretty useless without the user having to go download stuff anyway (and at that point they could just download Xmame while they're at it). For another, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Sure, I'm in the US so we have to be more scared of that than in most other *sane* places, but...

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9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client. Everyone uses this, but I've never seen it in a dist. Why?

The name? ;-)

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10. x11amp and amp- We all use mp3s, right?

Again, legal issues. The MP3 format is patented and at least under the law of many countries (the US included and SuSE does have a US office so they have to consider this) it is illegal to ship it without paying royalty. Read the MP3 FAQ for details. Personally, I say boycott MP3 and develop a competing standard. That implies the folks who care have the knowledge and time to do it, though. :-(

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13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.

That's motif based, though, right? Does it work with lesstif?

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14. egcs-1.0.3a- gcc-2.7.2.1 is more reliable than gcc-2.8.x, but I'm starting to run into apps that need a newer gcc. egcs-1.0.3a compiles everything I've tried, where gcc-2.8.x unexpectedly bails on some stuff.

Yep, egcs is the way to go.

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15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE already includes tkstep so why not?

Again, got a URL? I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are interested... :-) --Donnie -- Donnie Barnes <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/~djb"><A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/~djb</A">http://www.redhat.com/~djb djb@redhat.com "Bah." Challenge Diversity. Ignore People. Live Life. Use Linux. 879. My Dad used to say I have deceptive quickness. I'm slower than I look. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan＠nfinity.com

19:36

djb@redhat.com wrote:

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2. Automake 1.3 3. Libtool 1.2 You want those so you can build Gnome. :-)

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4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool. Got a URL handy?

<A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html"><A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html</A">http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html

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5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives. Is it easier than fetchmail? I can't imagine it is unless it includes a GUI for setup or something. Care to give us a comparison?

Much like fetchmail. I like it better, just my preference. When I first got into linux I didn't know fetchmail was in my dist, sendmail made my head swim, and I downloaded poptart and I've just used it ever since. Poppy is a cool perl script for browsing mail on your pop server but it is no replacement for pine/elm/mutt and the pop retrieval tool of your choice.

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13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.

That's motif based, though, right? Does it work with lesstif?

The author was working on a new version using QT. I sent him an email the last week of May. I recommended he look into using gtk. He sent me an email a few days later saying he looked into gtk and decided that was a better way to go and thanked me for the suggestion. I thought that was pretty cool. Here is the post he made on his website: --5-26-98 -- -- Some decisions I have made: -- -- I'm ditching Qt altogether and using GTK instead. I've also decided to use C instead C++, simply -- because I understand how to do things in C better (I'm not saying C++ is bad!!). -- -- kaosFTP, as it will be called, will be free, GPL'ed, etc. etc. -- -- Thanks for all of the suggestions. Here is the website, not much on it now. <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html new gtk version <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html the current motif based version Anyway, this ftp client rocks, and it will be that much cooler in gtk! (now give us gtk-netscape!)

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15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE already includes tkstep so why not?

Again, got a URL? I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are interested... :-)

<A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz</A">ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz On a similar note, I am a huge advocate for WindowMaker, but I didn't include it because it is a little more hands-on than most win mgrs, there are compile time options to think about, etc.. Probably not the best win mgr to include in a dist as a precompiled bin.

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--Donnie

ps. I am reading the glibc2 howto. Hmm, well, I can always reinstall if I bugger things up too bad ;) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

root＠intergate.bc.ca

19:51

I'm hoping they put WM in the next dist too, as I like it much better than AS. If they do, hopefully they'll do the version just before the last release (was it beta?? ) which, I have but didn't build, just cause I think the version I had ( the one just prior to that) was just 'bout bug free and a pleasure to look at/use on the rare occasion I'm actually in X. As far as WM being difficult, I started with AS and I find WM much simpler to use than AS (especially the latest versions of AS, and as a matter of personal preference find it prettier than AS *or* E---which is a bit much on the eyes at times and garish). Re mail. I have to agree Sendmail can make your hair turn white especially when you're just starting out. Fetchmail is awesome, I really like it. Poppy is limited. I will have to try this Poptart program you mentioned once I find out where it is (when in doubt try Freshmeat first :-) ) If we are really talking 'mail fro newbies' here, it might be a nice innovation to have a part of YaST that does mail configuration...(many people are on single user stations and just using an ISP to send and recieve mail and this probably wouldn't be very difficult.) I'm actually surprised no one has done it yet on a dist. (or maybe someone has and I don't know about it.) One thing I'd like to see also in the SuSE dist is the contributed RPM stuff that was discussed recently on this list. She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..." I said: "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!" Morrissey On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

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djb@redhat.com wrote:

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2. Automake 1.3 3. Libtool 1.2 You want those so you can build Gnome. :-)

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4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool. Got a URL handy?

<A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html"><A HREF="http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html</A">http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.html

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5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives. Is it easier than fetchmail? I can't imagine it is unless it includes a GUI for setup or something. Care to give us a comparison?

Much like fetchmail. I like it better, just my preference. When I first got into linux I didn't know fetchmail was in my dist, sendmail made my head swim, and I downloaded poptart and I've just used it ever since. Poppy is a cool perl script for browsing mail on your pop server but it is no replacement for pine/elm/mutt and the pop retrieval tool of your choice.

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13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.

That's motif based, though, right? Does it work with lesstif?

The author was working on a new version using QT. I sent him an email the last week of May. I recommended he look into using gtk. He sent me an email a few days later saying he looked into gtk and decided that was a better way to go and thanked me for the suggestion. I thought that was pretty cool. Here is the post he made on his website:

--5-26-98 -- -- Some decisions I have made: -- -- I'm ditching Qt altogether and using GTK instead. I've also decided to use C instead C++, simply -- because I understand how to do things in C better (I'm not saying C++ is bad!!). -- -- kaosFTP, as it will be called, will be free, GPL'ed, etc. etc. -- -- Thanks for all of the suggestions.

Here is the website, not much on it now. <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/kaosFTP/news.html new gtk version <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html the current motif based version

Anyway, this ftp client rocks, and it will be that much cooler in gtk! (now give us gtk-netscape!)

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15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE already includes tkstep so why not?

Again, got a URL? I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are interested... :-)

<A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz"><A HREF="ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz</A">ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz

On a similar note, I am a huge advocate for WindowMaker, but I didn't include it because it is a little more hands-on than most win mgrs, there are compile time options to think about, etc.. Probably not the best win mgr to include in a dist as a precompiled bin.

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--Donnie

ps. I am reading the glibc2 howto. Hmm, well, I can always reinstall if I bugger things up too bad ;) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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jmbrooks＠bigfoot.com

19:55

Sounds like a good list of items to me. So, where would I find these now? Michael Lankton wrote:

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9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client. Everyone uses this, but I've never seen it in a dist. Why? 11. Netscape plugins- mpegtv.so, xanim.so and ump.so/timidity.tar. These are useful plugins, and in the case of timidity.tar would save the customer a 9 mb download. 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.

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satan＠nfinity.com

21:54

Well, I hit freshmeat at least twice a day, but I really like Woven Goods For Linux, which is where I've found a lot of the apps I use. Here are some urls: Woven Goods For Linux <A HREF="http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/"><A HREF="http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/</A">http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/ Ump and Timidity libs for Ump <A HREF="http://pubweb.bnl.gov/people/hoff/"><A HREF="http://pubweb.bnl.gov/people/hoff/</A">http://pubweb.bnl.gov/people/hoff/ Xmftp <A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html"><A HREF="http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html</A">http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html And of course, mpegtv.so and xanim.so require that you have mpegtv and xanim installed. I don't think the xanim sources on the SuSE cds have the objects that enable cinepak and indeo support, so here is the url for the xanim page: <A HREF="http://xanim.va.pubnix.com/home.html"><A HREF="http://xanim.va.pubnix.com/home.html</A">http://xanim.va.pubnix.com/home.html Xanim is a case where reading the documentation pays off. You must edit the Makefile to get the proper vid support and audio, but I have used xanim for some time, and the new quicktime3 format is the only thing I found that it won't play. It also does .wav and .fli as well as .avi, .mov, .mpg (mpegtv is MUCH better for mpeg though) and probably others. I can't remember where I got mpegtv.so and xanim.so from, so if you have the app installed but can't find the .so for netscape, email me and I will send you gzipped versions for libc5. J. Mark Brooks wrote:

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Sounds like a good list of items to me. So, where would I find these now?

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kar＠webline.dk

10 Jun 10 Jun

05:22

Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair to get into 5.3 (with SSL, like 1.2 now). And yes, still I want Gnome. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan＠nfinity.com

21:12

..as well as a new bash and a new libc5. There will always be the meat and potatoes upgrades to make with each new dist, I think the challenge is for SuSE to offer something new with each new dist, not just incremental upgrades of basic libraries and tools. Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair to get into 5.3 (with SSL, like 1.2 now).

And yes, still I want Gnome.

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misc.word.corp＠pobox.com

22:45

As for plugging a WM binary into 5.3, I second the motion, most definitely! I agree -- WM is far more configure-friendly than AS -- that is, once you adjust to the convoluted directory tree that compiling the binary leaves on the system. As far as eye-candy goes, thanks to OctoberX and the Themes.org people, my desktop is visually refreshing to an extent not possible with Enlightenment. (Note the word "refreshing" -- Enlightenment, though cool when you launch it, seems to exert a dragging effect on my brain (not to mention system) with its dark color scheme.) Still, I wouldn't mind seeing the new, started-from-scratch version of Enlightenment make its way into 5.3 -- but I doubt if developers Mandrake and Rasterman will get it out in time to burn into the CD. As for Gnome -- a definite must. Case closed. -- Glenn -- PS -- Good luck to Michael on your venture into the uncharted waters of glibc! Hang in there, man. Looking forward to the updates. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

kar＠webline.dk

11 Jun 11 Jun

06:03

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..as well as a new bash and a new libc5. There will always be the meat

Wow! So they already have a Gnome somewhere in 5.2? Could you point me to the exact location on which CD?

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And yes, still I want Gnome.

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Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair

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deem＠wdm.com

06:33

Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Wow! So they already have a Gnome somewhere in 5.2? Could you point me to the exact location on which CD?

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And yes, still I want Gnome.

No Gnome in 5.2 here : <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html etc. Don't see it it in 5.2 -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

jpcowh01＠ox.slug.louisville.edu

07:03

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No Gnome in 5.2 here : <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html etc.

Don't see it it in 5.2

Can Gnome be compiled with libc5? If so won't compiling from the source file make it more reliable than a rpm with executable binaries? I've installed glibc2 with 5.2, and I used it to compile various things (kernel, c homework, etc) My box would hang for no apparent reason. I reinstalled the libc stuff and my computer is back to normal... I'll wait, I'm in no hurry... -- =========== =========== Jonathan Paul Cowherd jpcowh01@slug.louisville.edu <A HREF="http://www.slug.louisville.edu/~jpcowh01"><A HREF="http://www.slug.louisville.edu/~jpcowh01</A">http://www.slug.louisville.edu/~jpcowh01 This is my world and I am... World Leader Pretend =========== =========== -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

jonathan＠aracnet.net

10 Jun 10 Jun

03:11

On 09-Jun-98 Michael Lankton wrote:

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OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including. I'm leaving

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1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office

YES! I would also like to see LaTeX broken down into much smaller packages. I installed it on a notebook with 4 or 5 diskettes so I know it can be done.

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4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad for linux. Very cool.

Oooh, on my search list!

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8. Games Doom Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95.

I'd say Descent, but you need the registered game files (*.PIG? *.HOG? I forget). I would *love* to see that. --- jonathan@aracnet.net <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich"><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A">http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich And I heard Jeff exclaim, As they strolled out of sight, "Merry Christmas to all -- You take credit cards, right?" -- "Outsiders" comic -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

jmbrooks＠bigfoot.com

9 Jun 9 Jun

17:05

Sounds good to me, Glenn. My wish list would begin by wishing for: latest version of PPP (2.3.3) compiled with the latest stable kernel (2.0.34) Most current version of lib5 and ld.so. A YAST tool for greater control of your windowmanager selection and (dare I hope) even control of windowmanager layout. Most current versions of bind, gcc, libg++ etc. (development tools) Automated PPP connection configuration w/YAST misc.word.corp wrote:

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I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0. There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages have received updates of one kind or another.

This ML might be one avenue to open up the forum for suggestions for 5.3, if users are in agreement.

-- Glenn --

ke＠suse.de

12 Jun 12 Jun

14:30

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Steven Udell writes: | So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they | should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I | find it? Feel free to use the e-mail address feedback@suse.de. It's always a good idea to write several small messages than _one_ big message. This way, it's easier for us to forward the messages to the one who wants to do the work (= the package) ;-) -- Karl Eichwalder S.u.S.E. GmbH Fax +49-911-3206727 ke@suse.de Gebhardtstrasse 2 Mo & Th 13:00-18:00: <A HREF="http://www.suse.de"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de</A">http://www.suse.de 90762 Fuerth, Germany Hotline +49-911-3247130 -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fm＠lightlink.com

13 Jun 13 Jun

22:23

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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Steven Udell writes:

| So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they | should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I | find it?

I'd like better Matrox drivers. The Mill. II drivers are fine for text, menus and such, but photos are grainy. Apparently the driver isn't able to provide the color depth needed. Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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23:12

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Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server? Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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Steven Udell writes:

| So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they | should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I | find it?

I'd like better Matrox drivers. The Mill. II drivers are fine for text, menus and such, but photos are grainy. Apparently the driver isn't able to provide the color depth needed.

Fred

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14 Jun 14 Jun

01:44

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Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new glasses! Mark --- Michael Lankton wrote:

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Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server?

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02:25

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the xmatrox server. That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good things from anyone that I've talked to who has one. What color depth are you using? Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured. Mark Wagnon wrote:

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Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new glasses!

Mark

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03:32

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Michael Lankton wrote:

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A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the xmatrox server. That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good things from anyone that I've talked to who has one. What color depth are you using? Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.

That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use. Fred

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Mark Wagnon wrote:

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Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new glasses!

Mark

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03:50

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"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred, Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ? Please try the demo at <A HREF="http://www.xig.com"><A HREF="http://www.xig.com</A">http://www.xig.com as it will work great with Milleniums. I use it happily. -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fm＠lightlink.com

04:28

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W.D.McKinney wrote:

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"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred,

Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ? Please try the demo at <A HREF="http://www.xig.com"><A HREF="http://www.xig.com</A">http://www.xig.com as it will work great with Milleniums. I use it happily.

No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers. 'Reminds me of the grief we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the "early days."<g> I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers are "out." 'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE. Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

dana＠ntd.net

04:42

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Fred A. Miller wrote:

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W.D.McKinney wrote:

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"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred,

Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ? Please try the demo at <A HREF="http://www.xig.com"><A HREF="http://www.xig.com</A">http://www.xig.com as it will work great with Milleniums. I use it happily.

No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers. 'Reminds me of the grief we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the "early days."<g> I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers are "out." 'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Have you upgraded the bios on your Matrox card lately? If not, go to their web site and do so. I have the 4MB card here and it works fine. Dana -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fm＠lightlink.com

05:19

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Dana J. Laude wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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W.D.McKinney wrote:

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"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred,

Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ? Please try the demo at <A HREF="http://www.xig.com"><A HREF="http://www.xig.com</A">http://www.xig.com as it will work great with Milleniums. I use it happily.

No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers. 'Reminds me of the grief we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the "early days."<g> I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers are "out." 'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Have you upgraded the bios on your Matrox card lately? If not, go to their web site and do so. I have the 4MB card here and it works fine.

'Works fine now....had to "go around the horn" to get there, but it's fine now. Thanks, Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

deem＠wdm.com

04:48

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers. 'Reminds me of the grief we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the "early days."<g> I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers are "out." 'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Fred

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I understand as "only the experienced walk with a limp" :) I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves" in my book and they are AccelX and OSS. I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice. Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background thanks to OSS/Linux. -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fm＠lightlink.com

05:23

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

W.D.McKinney wrote:

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"Fred A. Miller" wrote:

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No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers. 'Reminds me of the grief we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the "early days."<g> I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers are "out." 'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Fred

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I understand as "only the experienced walk with a limp".

Yes.....had one for a long time.<G>

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I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves" in my book and they are AccelX and OSS.

I may do it....video is fine now. I "hard" install, but it's working as it should.

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I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice.

Yes......bought a Nano about 6 months ago....never did regret it.

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Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background thanks to OSS/Linux.

'Depends on if I can get the stock SB drivers to work properly with my SB AWE-64 ISA card. So far, "nada." Regards, Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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06:03

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

I have used metrox, accelx and xfree, and it must just depend on what card you use. I currently have an s3, and I get the best results from the SuSE xfree xs3v server. As far as sound goes, I don't think James cares what drivers you use :). oss is pretty much for people whose sound card isn't supported by the kernel drivers, otherwise sound is sound. W.D.McKinney wrote:

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I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves" in my book and they are AccelX and OSS.

I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice.

Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background thanks to OSS/Linux.

-Dee

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fm＠lightlink.com

04:16

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

As a follow up, if I run Setup while IN X, it updates fine....or so it would appear. However, photos at 32-bit are still grainy in Netscape 4.04. Fred Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Michael Lankton wrote:

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A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the xmatrox server. That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good things from anyone that I've talked to who has one. What color depth are you using? Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.

That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred

...
Mark Wagnon wrote:

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Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new glasses!

Mark

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deem＠wdm.com

04:35

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Hi Fred, The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available at <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com and a demo is available. An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:) -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem@wdm.com No claim to fame, just saved by Grace. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

fm＠lightlink.com

05:18

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

W.D.McKinney wrote:

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Hi Fred,

The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available at <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com and a demo is available.

An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:)

Thanks, Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

hettar＠teleport.com

05:23

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

W.D.McKinney wrote:

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Hi Fred,

The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available at <A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com"><A HREF="http://www.4front-tech.com</A">http://www.4front-tech.com and a demo is available.

An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:)

-Dee

Hey Dee, my AWE64 still won't do MIDI, even with OSS/Linux beta/normal and it won't do mp3s either nor .au's and stumbles on .wavs but it is good for XMCD tho.. Steve -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

satan＠nfinity.com

06:08

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

First of all, sound really does like to be a module. I couldn't get sound up when I first got into linux. I read some awe32 how to that said sound HAD to be done as a module, tried that, and voila, sound. If you aren't getting midi even after compiling a new kernel with sound as a module, chmod +x /dev/sequencer, it might be that simple. good luck Steven Udell wrote:

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Hey Dee, my AWE64 still won't do MIDI, even with OSS/Linux beta/normal and it won't do mp3s either nor .au's and stumbles on .wavs but it is good for XMCD tho..

Steve

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04:22

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Sounds like you don't have ncurses installed, check and see and then try XF86Setup again if that was the case. Fred A. Miller wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Fred

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fm＠lightlink.com

05:14

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

Michael Lankton wrote:

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Sounds like you don't have ncurses installed, check and see and then try XF86Setup again if that was the case.

Fred A. Miller wrote:

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That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me "hung" in X after it's use.

Yep......ncurses is installed. I rebooted, and now the color is GREAT!! Apparently, the new config wasn't "active" right away, even though it appeared to be. Thanks for the help, Fred -- Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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03:44

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

No problems here. I was just curious as to which xserver was better. Yeah the Mill. 2 is great. When I had my Trident card installed I had a heck of a time getting X up and running with a decent res and color depth (a lot of tweaking by hand), but the millenium 2 was a snap. Yast gave me a functional X in less than 5 minuntes! Mark --- Michael Lankton wrote:

...

A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the xmatrox server. That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good things from anyone that I've talked to who has one. What color depth are you using? Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.

Mark Wagnon wrote:

...
Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new glasses!

Mark

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03:29

New subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)

What ever will work properly.<g> Fred Michael Lankton wrote:

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Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server?

Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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Steven Udell writes:

| So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they | should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I | find it?

I'd like better Matrox drivers. The Mill. II drivers are fine for text, menus and such, but photos are grainy. Apparently the driver isn't able to provide the color depth needed.

Fred

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