[opensuse] Re: Meta data function missing in Dolphin and Konqueror
Le 08/12/2009 18:00, Per Inge Oestmoen a écrit :
In KDE 3.5, the meta data were shown, like this:
and sometime before, even *editable* that would be great to have again! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 08/12/2009 18:00, Per Inge Oestmoen a écrit :
In KDE 3.5, the meta data were shown, like this:
and sometime before, even *editable* that would be great to have again!
Why has functionality been removed, who is responsible, and to whom do we have to talk in order to bring it back again? This is a minimum of what is needed, so that we do not have to start another program in order to have these data displayed. The file browser should be able to do this: http://www.coldsiberia.net/phototest/konqueror_meta_data1.jpg http://www.coldsiberia.net/phototest/konqueror_meta_data2.jpg http://www.coldsiberia.net/phototest/konqueror_meta_data3.jpg http://www.coldsiberia.net/phototest/konqueror_meta_data4.jpg Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Why has functionality been removed, who is responsible, and to whom do we have to talk in order to bring it back again?
This has been said many times here.. Dolphin is not equal to the old KDE3 file manager, it is a new file manager. The old KDE3 filemanager was not copied into KDE4, it was rewritten. Functionality was not removed, it has not been written yet. If you restart on something.. no matter what it is, you cannot expect that 100% of everything that was in the old tool it replaces will be automatically present in the new tool. This applies to KDE4 as well as any other project that goes through as much rework. The right way to get functionality we are missing added into the new tools is through the bug reports. There is one on this issue - vote for it, comment on it, etc. I want to see meta data too. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton said the following on 12/09/2009 04:25 AM:
Why has functionality been removed, who is responsible, and to whom do we have to talk in order to bring it back again?
This has been said many times here.. Dolphin is not equal to the old KDE3 file manager, it is a new file manager. The old KDE3 filemanager was not copied into KDE4, it was rewritten. Functionality was not removed, it has not been written yet. If you restart on something.. no matter what it is, you cannot expect that 100% of everything that was in the old tool it replaces will be automatically present in the new tool.
That's all very well and understandable when it comes to Dolphin. But what about Konqueror? It was there before and it isn't now. It was removed when Konq was "converted" for KDE4. The same reasoning does not apply. It was removed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The old KDE3 filemanager was not copied into KDE4, it was rewritten.
But what about Konqueror? It was there before and it isn't now. It was removed when Konq was "converted" for KDE4.
The same reasoning does not apply.
It was removed.
See what I wrote above... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton said the following on 12/09/2009 08:20 AM:
The old KDE3 filemanager was not copied into KDE4, it was rewritten.
But what about Konqueror? It was there before and it isn't now. It was removed when Konq was "converted" for KDE4.
The same reasoning does not apply.
It was removed.
See what I wrote above...
So in KDE4 there's Dolphin, which was a 'clean sheet', and Konqueror that looks _almost_ the same as the one in KDE3 but if the clean-sheet effort went into Dolphin what went into the KDE4 version of Konqueror? Was KDE's Konqueror a clean sheet design as well? That seems odd if the was this new Dolphin. Why duplicate effort. I'm sure many people will ask why have Dolphin in the first place when Konqueror was doing such a good job. The best I can figure is that someone thought that a file manager and a web browser shouldn't be both the same thing. Heck, Mozilla broke apart into Firefox and Thunderbird, so there's precedence. But then why keep Konqueror around? Don't tell me that its now 'just' a web browser. It makes a better file manager than Dolphin! There's a gap here. It may be in my perception, since I'm one of the old Dinosaurs that love the 'novelty' of KDE4 and since I'm a slow lumbering Dinosaur I'm not bothered by its poor performance, but then again as things stand, Dolphin as a file manager doesn't seem to offer any advantage over bastardizing this Konqueror-that-isn't-a-file-manager of KDE4 when used as a file manager. Or maybe the gap is somewhere else. Tell me again why I should be using Dolphin rather than Konqueror as a file manager. Dinosaur brains are geared for eating and eviscerating. You can tell: there's a lot of us about. -- Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. -- Douglas MacArthur -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tell me again why I should be using Dolphin rather than Konqueror as a file manager. Dinosaur brains are geared for eating and eviscerating. You can tell: there's a lot of us about.
You can use whichever tool suits you best. Konq and Dolphin are both a part of KDE4, and according to the devs, will remain so. They target different user types, and do a similar job in different ways. Poke Google a bit on this and you turn up blog entries from the KDE devs like this one: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/02/konqueror-not-vanishing-news-at-11.html (yes, it's old, but what is written there still applies). Personally, after using Dolphin for a file manager for a while, I find KDE3's Konq to be a poor cousin in most (but not all areas). Yes there are things missing, but with each KDE4 release, stuff that we as a community are requesting in bug reports is showing up... just not all at once. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 15:04 +0100, Clayton wrote:
Personally, after using Dolphin for a file manager for a while, I find KDE3's Konq to be a poor cousin in most (but not all areas). Yes there are things missing, but with each KDE4 release, stuff that we as a community are requesting in bug reports is showing up... just not all at once.
My favorite dolphin feature is the terminal that is attached to the gui/icon display. Click on a directory, and the terminal follows. Maybe konqueror had this, but I just came across it in dolphin. Dolphin is also has a directory tree that can be shown in addition to the gui/icon view. So, moving things around in the file system is all done in one window. I am sure konqueror could do the same. But I think the layout is a bit better in dolphin. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/09/2009 08:07 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Clayton said the following on 12/09/2009 04:25 AM:
Why has functionality been removed, who is responsible, and to whom do we have to talk in order to bring it back again?
This has been said many times here.. Dolphin is not equal to the old KDE3 file manager, it is a new file manager. The old KDE3 filemanager was not copied into KDE4, it was rewritten. Functionality was not removed, it has not been written yet. If you restart on something.. no matter what it is, you cannot expect that 100% of everything that was in the old tool it replaces will be automatically present in the new tool.
That's all very well and understandable when it comes to Dolphin.
But what about Konqueror? It was there before and it isn't now. It was removed when Konq was "converted" for KDE4.
The same reasoning does not apply.
It was removed.
Konqueror is still there, although you have to select it for installation. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate http://www.FoundationForChemistry.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stephen P. Molnar said the following on 12/09/2009 09:09 AM:
It was removed.
Konqueror is still there, although you have to select it for installation.
I was talking about the FUNCTIONALITY - the "metadata" function that is missing in both Dolphin and KDE4's Konqueror - not the program itself. That is the subject line one this thread :-) (Yes I know may threads go OT) The functionality is missing even when the program is installed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 15:34:31, Anton Aylward wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar said the following on 12/09/2009 09:09 AM:
It was removed.
Konqueror is still there, although you have to select it for installation.
I was talking about the FUNCTIONALITY - the "metadata" function that is missing in both Dolphin and KDE4's Konqueror - not the program itself. That is the subject line one this thread :-) (Yes I know may threads go OT)
The functionality is missing even when the program is installed.
There is a bug report here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190588 since april. If you like you can vote for it or add your comments. I guess there is a lot to do for the devs and this feature seems not extremely important to them, what maybe even is true, although I'd really like to have it, too. regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 10:10:18 schrieb Per Inge Oestmoen:
jdd-gmane wrote:
Le 08/12/2009 18:00, Per Inge Oestmoen a écrit :
In KDE 3.5, the meta data were shown, like this:
and sometime before, even *editable* that would be great to have again!
Why has functionality been removed, who is responsible, and to whom do we have to talk in order to bring it back again?
Somebody who wants to spend his free time or money on the feature. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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