[opensuse] Backgrounds on separate desktops

Verner Kjærsgaard

22 Aug 2009 22 Aug '09

08:40

Hi list, FWIW... I set up Linux in schools. What the kids loves MOST OF ALL, before ANYTHING ELSE and thus makes them greatly prefer linux/openSuSE to any other OS - is the fact that they can have multiple desktops and decorate them with LOTS of pictures of all kinds. This ability has been taken away from KDE4. In my openion, this is a major mistake. I guess the KDE developers and decision makers read this list too :-) -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Sven Burmeister

22 Aug 22 Aug

09:40

Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 10:40:37 schrieb Verner Kjærsgaard:

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I set up Linux in schools.

What the kids loves MOST OF ALL, before ANYTHING ELSE and thus makes them greatly prefer linux/openSuSE to any other OS - is the fact that they can have multiple desktops and decorate them with LOTS of pictures of all kinds.

This ability has been taken away from KDE4.

Not true. You can have one wallpaper per activity and one activity per desktop. It's even less true that KDE4 would have less appeal to kids who want to have different pictures on their desktop since they now can use the image plasmoid to spam their desktop not only with one but many pictures and even slideshows. They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff. That's KDE, the freedom to turn your work environment into whatever you want, even a playground. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

11:56

Sven Burmeister skrev:

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Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 10:40:37 schrieb Verner Kjærsgaard:

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I set up Linux in schools.

What the kids loves MOST OF ALL, before ANYTHING ELSE and thus makes them greatly prefer linux/openSuSE to any other OS - is the fact that they can have multiple desktops and decorate them with LOTS of pictures of all kinds.

This ability has been taken away from KDE4.

Not true. You can have one wallpaper per activity and one activity per desktop.

It's even less true that KDE4 would have less appeal to kids who want to have different pictures on their desktop since they now can use the image plasmoid to spam their desktop not only with one but many pictures and even slideshows.

They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff.

That's KDE, the freedom to turn your work environment into whatever you want, even a playground.

Sven

Hi list and Sven, - thank you for clarifying this. - I found it right away, don't understand why I couldn't find it when I tried earlier... Now, I managed to change the background - for ALL desktops, not for just one. Pardon me for asking, but how for just one...I can't seem to find it. You also state that, quote: "They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff." I can't seem to find my way into doing anything of this. Does it work, I have a pretty standard openSuSE11.1/KDE4.1.3 desktop (ersion 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.10.4")? I'm somewhat reluctant to "upgrade" into anything KDE, as it seems to break things even more. As of now, I have a working desktop - I haven't dared to twist og fiddle with it at all. I don't even trust making a .kde4.tar.gz file backup file would be sufficient to bring me back once things break... The desktopfolder cannot be brought into focus if another window is just partly over it. Quite annoying...Can this behaviour be changed? Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to go into the usual "I hate KDE4 rant" :-) I actually think that it is major step forward, just because I don't understand it (yet) doesn't make a bad thing. To sum it up, individual backgrounds, how ? Thank You! -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sven Burmeister

12:26

Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 13:56:05 schrieb Verner Kjærsgaard:

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You also state that, quote: "They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff."

I can't seem to find my way into doing anything of this. Does it work, I have a pretty standard openSuSE11.1/KDE4.1.3 desktop (ersion 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.10.4")?

The effects and shortcuts that activate them are in the "all effects tab" within the desktop kcm module, the flower is a google gadget which can be added as applet.

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The desktopfolder cannot be brought into focus if another window is just partly over it. Quite annoying...Can this behaviour be changed?

Because it is not a window. If you want files shown in a window, use a window, e.g. dolphin. It's not different in that respect to KDE3 where the icons on the desktop were not windows either. You can however activate the dashboard which shows all applets.

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To sum it up, individual backgrounds, how ?

KDE 4 is at version 4.3, so you need to update to 4.3. If it does not work for you to update, then you have to wait until 11.2 is released. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

14:11

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 13:56:05 schrieb Verner Kjærsgaard:

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You also state that, quote: "They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff."

I can't seem to find my way into doing anything of this. Does it work, I have a pretty standard openSuSE11.1/KDE4.1.3 desktop (ersion 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.10.4")?

The effects and shortcuts that activate them are in the "all effects tab" within the desktop kcm module, the flower is a google gadget which can be added as applet.

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The desktopfolder cannot be brought into focus if another window is just partly over it. Quite annoying...Can this behaviour be changed?

Because it is not a window. If you want files shown in a window, use a window, e.g. dolphin. It's not different in that respect to KDE3 where the icons on the desktop were not windows either. You can however activate the dashboard which shows all applets.

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To sum it up, individual backgrounds, how ?

KDE 4 is at version 4.3, so you need to update to 4.3. If it does not work for you to update, then you have to wait until 11.2 is released.

Sven

Remember you can now download a pre-built 11.1 + kde 4.3 live cd and install from that. 4.3 is head and shoulders above 4.1, so I would say your students need to either revert to 3.5 or advance to 4.3, but sticking with 4.1 is not very logical at this point. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

20:19

Greg Freemyer skrev:

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On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 13:56:05 schrieb Verner Kjærsgaard:

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You also state that, quote: "They can even paint on their desktop with the desktop effects, let it snow, have stars around their mouse cursor, have a small ball jumping all over the desktop, flowers growing if you water them and lots of other fun stuff."

I can't seem to find my way into doing anything of this. Does it work, I have a pretty standard openSuSE11.1/KDE4.1.3 desktop (ersion 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.10.4")? The effects and shortcuts that activate them are in the "all effects tab" within the desktop kcm module, the flower is a google gadget which can be added as applet.

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The desktopfolder cannot be brought into focus if another window is just partly over it. Quite annoying...Can this behaviour be changed? Because it is not a window. If you want files shown in a window, use a window, e.g. dolphin. It's not different in that respect to KDE3 where the icons on the desktop were not windows either. You can however activate the dashboard which shows all applets.

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To sum it up, individual backgrounds, how ? KDE 4 is at version 4.3, so you need to update to 4.3. If it does not work for you to update, then you have to wait until 11.2 is released.

Sven

Remember you can now download a pre-built 11.1 + kde 4.3 live cd and install from that.

4.3 is head and shoulders above 4.1, so I would say your students need to either revert to 3.5 or advance to 4.3, but sticking with 4.1 is not very logical at this point.

Greg

Hi everyone, - thank you for your answers and time :-) - yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. - I'd like to do so. - I tried it before, I seem to remember. I ended in dependency hell. Is there an exact how-to to follow? I would guess that I include one or more repos, deselect some others and then search for...? It seems that I'm the only one left on this list with KDE4.1.3...I'd really appreciate a good hint as to how to proceed :-) Thank You! -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

20:54

On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- thank you for your answers and time :-) - yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. - I'd like to do so. - I tried it before, I seem to remember. I ended in dependency hell. Is there an exact how-to to follow?

I would guess that I include one or more repos, deselect some others and then search for...?

It seems that I'm the only one left on this list with KDE4.1.3...I'd really appreciate a good hint as to how to proceed :-)

If you go to http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 and scroll down a bit you'll get to "Factory KDE Project (KDE 4.3)". Click on the link there for 11.1 Or just click on this http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU... DEFAULT.ymp It will start YaST. Clicking "next" and "Finish" where appropriate should install it for you Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

23 Aug 23 Aug

13:34

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- thank you for your answers and time :-) - yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. - I'd like to do so. - I tried it before, I seem to remember. I ended in dependency hell. Is there an exact how-to to follow?

I would guess that I include one or more repos, deselect some others and then search for...?

It seems that I'm the only one left on this list with KDE4.1.3...I'd really appreciate a good hint as to how to proceed :-)

If you go to

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

and scroll down a bit you'll get to "Factory KDE Project (KDE 4.3)". Click on the link there for 11.1

Or just click on this

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU... DEFAULT.ymp

It will start YaST. Clicking "next" and "Finish" where appropriate should install it for you

Anders

Hi list and Anders, I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell. It's simply not possible to upgrade into KDE4.3 - without breaking stuff?? Should I de-activate other repos before employing the link given? -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

14:26

On Sunday 23 August 2009 15:34:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell.

Would you mind being a little more explicit? I don't know what you mean here by "dependency hell" - I don't see that Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

14:33

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 15:34:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell.

Would you mind being a little more explicit? I don't know what you mean here by "dependency hell" - I don't see that

Anders

Hi list and Anders, - by dependency hell I mean that the upgrade seems to start - but then YaST comes out with red warnings (a LOT) that this or that programme/library/what-do-I-know cannot be satisfied and so. At that point, I cancel the upgrade as YaST doesn't give me but one choice.. namely to ignore it. Which I certainly don't want to do. Can I submit two screenshots, one of my repos (or I could perhaps use a zypper command to do the same thing?) and a screenshot that show the YaST problems? I take it that one can upload screenshots to some central server from which they may be seen? Would that be of any help? -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

14:54

On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:33:57 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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Can I submit two screenshots, one of my repos (or I could perhaps use a zypper command to do the same thing?)

"zypper lr -u" will give a list of the configured repositories in text format

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and a screenshot that show the YaST problems?

I take it that one can upload screenshots to some central server from which they may be seen?

Would that be of any help?

Seeing the problems you get would be helpful, yes Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

19:21

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:33:57 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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Can I submit two screenshots, one of my repos (or I could perhaps use a zypper command to do the same thing?)

"zypper lr -u" will give a list of the configured repositories in text format

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and a screenshot that show the YaST problems?

I take it that one can upload screenshots to some central server from which they may be seen?

Would that be of any help?

Seeing the problems you get would be helpful, yes

Anders Good evening again,

- I just repeated the exercise, it showed exactly the same behaviour like I reported earlier. I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at http://www.os-academy.dk/opensuse/ I do appreciate your time and effort, thanks a lot! I also noted the other answers on this matter, in particular there was one recommming a particular openSuSE howto which is rather lenghty and also recommends to install KDE4.2 first... I'm not sure I dare even try :-) I'll stick with the zypper/YaST method and hope that the dependency matter gets solved/explaned. -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

19:28

On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:21:47 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at

OK, the first problem is that there isn't an updated version of amarok-yauap for amarok2. I recommend going with the second option: afinstallation af amarok-yauap-1.4.10-26.2.1.i586, you really don't need it The second problem is the vendor issue that others have mentioned. Select option 3: installÃ©r kdebase4-runtime-4.3.0-138.1.i586 (med leverandÃ¸rÃ¦ndring) openSUSE --> openSUSE Build Service leverandörändring is the "vendor change" they've talked about. This alone should clear up a lot of the issues. For the rest, whenever you see an option that suggests a "leverandörändring", go with it. As Will said, it is a security thing, that it won't automatically do a vendor change on an already installed package, so you have to approve it Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

19:40

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:21:47 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at

OK, the first problem is that there isn't an updated version of amarok-yauap for amarok2. I recommend going with the second option: afinstallation af amarok-yauap-1.4.10-26.2.1.i586, you really don't need it

The second problem is the vendor issue that others have mentioned. Select option 3: installÃ©r kdebase4-runtime-4.3.0-138.1.i586 (med leverandÃ¸rÃ¦ndring) openSUSE --> openSUSE Build Service

leverandörändring is the "vendor change" they've talked about.

This alone should clear up a lot of the issues. For the rest, whenever you see an option that suggests a "leverandörändring", go with it.

As Will said, it is a security thing, that it won't automatically do a vendor change on an already installed package, so you have to approve it

Anders

Hi Anders and list, - thank You for clarifying this. Yes, I knew about the "leverandørændring" and so. But how can/may I judge the LOT of "de-install this or that". You know that I "really don't need it". How do I judge the rest of all the dependencies, don't I really need them too... This makes me rather cautious, of course :-) Well, I'll tell you what...I'll go and do it now. So if you don't hear from me for a couple of days, that'll be because my desktop broke down in the proces :-) -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

19:44

Just a small report on this... I just did a clean install of 11.1 on a new hard drive with a clean/empty home directory. Steps I followed: - Install 11.1 with KDE4.1.3 defaults plus gcc, and kernel sources. - Once the desktop is loaded, start YaST and add the Community repositories - Open Firefox and go to the KDE4 Wiki page. - Click the One-Click install for KDE4.3 Factory At this point I got exactly 2 dependency resolve questions... one on amarok yuap for Amarok 1.4 - which can be removed since Amarok 2 doesn't need/use it, and one for Digicam (I think it was just the plugins rpm) which I also removed. That was it. The update ran, and exited cleanly. Then I killed the X session, logged in at CLI and removed the .kde directories from my /home (I did this to force a full clean start for KDE4) and it's working perfectly now with 4.3.0 (release 158). So it's definitely possible to update from 4.1.3 to 4.3.0 on a clean install and have it go very smoothly. I've also done incremental updates from 4.1.3 through the 4.1 to 4.2 to 4.3 releases, and that' was not so smooth.. mainly due to the massive changes in the rc configuration files from one major release to the next - although the fix was relatively easy by simply removing the rc files after each major update. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

20:28

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:21:47 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at

OK, the first problem is that there isn't an updated version of amarok-yauap for amarok2. I recommend going with the second option: afinstallation af amarok-yauap-1.4.10-26.2.1.i586, you really don't need it

The second problem is the vendor issue that others have mentioned. Select option 3: installÃ©r kdebase4-runtime-4.3.0-138.1.i586 (med leverandÃ¸rÃ¦ndring) openSUSE --> openSUSE Build Service

leverandörändring is the "vendor change" they've talked about.

This alone should clear up a lot of the issues. For the rest, whenever you see an option that suggests a "leverandörändring", go with it.

As Will said, it is a security thing, that it won't automatically do a vendor change on an already installed package, so you have to approve it

Anders

Hi again... :-) - as you can tell, my desktop didn't break down, I'm now on Version 4.3.00 (KDE 4.3.0) "release 158" - vauw... I only got one thing, when clicking the yellow triangle for updates, I get: "PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: kdebluetooth4-0.3-4.1.1.i586 requires solid-bluez4 >= 0.1, but this requirement cannot be provided" It then gives me an oppertunity to "Start YaST and install updates manually". - what now... Anyhow, thank you to all so far! -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

20:42

On Sunday 23 August 2009 22:28:40 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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"PackageKit Error dep-resolution-failed: kdebluetooth4-0.3-4.1.1.i586 requires solid-bluez4 >= 0.1, but this requirement cannot be provided"

It then gives me an oppertunity to "Start YaST and install updates manually".

- what now...

Try running "zypper in kdebluetooth4" That should give you version 0.3-20.1 Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Binner

21:03

On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:28:12 Anders Johansson wrote:

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leverandörändring is the "vendor change" they've talked about. This alone should clear up a lot of the issues. For the rest, whenever you see an option that suggests a "leverandörändring", go with it.

People really should use "zypper dup" for a [distro->]KDE:KDE4 repo upgrade which accepts vendor changes and properly does package splits and renames. I repeat myself but it's tested and working: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

24 Aug 24 Aug

06:29

Stephan Binner skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:28:12 Anders Johansson wrote:

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leverandörändring is the "vendor change" they've talked about. This alone should clear up a lot of the issues. For the rest, whenever you see an option that suggests a "leverandörändring", go with it.

People really should use "zypper dup" for a [distro->]KDE:KDE4 repo upgrade which accepts vendor changes and properly does package splits and renames.

I repeat myself but it's tested and working:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade

Bye, Steve

Hi Steve and list, - thank you for your input :-) I believe the text in the suse-web needs clarification...: "If you have KDE:KDE4:Community or even KDE:KDE4:Playground repositories registered update their URLs to: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.1... (community packaged, not in distribution) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Playground/openSUSE_11.... (development snapshots/releases!)" What zypper command will "update their URLs to..." As a side note, I followed your advice earlier, zypper does its work, the commands perform without errors. And also without effect, nothing changes. You log out, you log in, and you're still on KDE4.1.3 :-) -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

25 Aug 25 Aug

03:54

On Monday 24 August 2009 01:29:32 am Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: ...

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http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11. 1_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/ (community packaged, not in distribution) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Playground/openSUSE_11 .1_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/ (development snapshots/releases!)"

What zypper command will "update their URLs to..." ...

To add repos: zypper ar <URI> To remove repos: zypper rr <Identifier> Identifier is either URI, number of the repo or Your_name_for_repo So URI update is a 2 step operation. More: zypper help zypper help <command> man zypper -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

07:00

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To add repos: zypper ar <URI>

This brings to mind a question I've been wanting to ask for a while... why is it when I add a repo either by zypper ar or in the TaST repo manager, and give it a name I like, that this name is NOT reflected in the repo list in YaST software installer when I click on the version tab for a specific rpm? ...instead I see useless names like repo_22 etc. I have no idea which repository repo_22 is. I can guess based on the rpm version number, but I'm never 100% sure. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Binner

07:19

On Monday 24 August 2009 08:29:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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What zypper command will "update their URLs to..."

I don't think that there is one, quickest is to edit /etc/zypper/repos.d/* Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

23 Aug 23 Aug

19:38

On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:21:47 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at

One more thing - a few packages changed name. In a few places you see udskiftning af kde4-<something> med <something> Select that. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

20:36

New subject: [opensuse] Backgrounds on separate desktops (SOLVED)

Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 21:21:47 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I made two screenshots and actually asked YaST to give me a conflicts.txt list. All three may be found at

One more thing - a few packages changed name. In a few places you see

udskiftning af kde4-<something> med <something>

Select that.

Anders

Thanks to ALL for their time and answers! - I'm on KDE4.3 with no further errors. - I went into YaST and was in fact able to correct the one dependency error that was left. Again...it was the vendor change warning/error. I've got one piece of INFO that can pop up when I click on the "1" info with the little top arrow, it says: Notification from kupdateapplet "kde-desktop: [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s)" Nothing serious I guess... To conclude...I got a working KDE4.3 desktop, GREAT! I'll star monday morning at the office with a shiny new desktop with multiple backgrounds...and possibly a screensaver that can be asked not to require a password for re-entry :-) -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

20:46

New subject: [opensuse] Backgrounds on separate desktops (SOLVED)

On Sunday 23 August 2009 22:36:30 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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and possibly a screensaver that can be asked not to require a password for re-entry :-)

I think you could always do that. What's a bit of a gotcha is that the default power management scheme for a desktop (performance) is set to *lock* the screen if it's idle for too long. If you go into the kde desktop settings, in the advanced settings, in power management and click on "edit profiles", you can change the "performance" profile to "do nothing" when the system is idle. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

16:41

On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:33:57 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 15:34:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell.

Would you mind being a little more explicit? I don't know what you mean here by "dependency hell" - I don't see that

Anders

Hi list and Anders,

- by dependency hell I mean that the upgrade seems to start - but then YaST comes out with red warnings (a LOT) that this or that programme/library/what-do-I-know cannot be satisfied and so.

At that point, I cancel the upgrade as YaST doesn't give me but one choice.. namely to ignore it. Which I certainly don't want to do.

Can I submit two screenshots, one of my repos (or I could perhaps use a zypper command to do the same thing?) and a screenshot that show the YaST problems?

Most of the conflict warnings on upgrading 4.1 to 4.3 are 'vendor change' warnings when you request an update that would upgrade a package and change the repo it comes from. This is for security and can't be disabled, but making this kind of upgrade easier and the dialog less terrifying is on our TODO list. Resolve each conflict that has a 'changing vendor from openSUSE 11.1 to openSUSE Build Service' by choosing that vendor change radio button. What are you left with? Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

19:35

Will Stephenson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:33:57 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 15:34:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell. Would you mind being a little more explicit? I don't know what you mean here by "dependency hell" - I don't see that

Anders Hi list and Anders,

- by dependency hell I mean that the upgrade seems to start - but then YaST comes out with red warnings (a LOT) that this or that programme/library/what-do-I-know cannot be satisfied and so.

At that point, I cancel the upgrade as YaST doesn't give me but one choice.. namely to ignore it. Which I certainly don't want to do.

Can I submit two screenshots, one of my repos (or I could perhaps use a zypper command to do the same thing?) and a screenshot that show the YaST problems?

Most of the conflict warnings on upgrading 4.1 to 4.3 are 'vendor change' warnings when you request an update that would upgrade a package and change the repo it comes from. This is for security and can't be disabled, but making this kind of upgrade easier and the dialog less terrifying is on our TODO list.

Resolve each conflict that has a 'changing vendor from openSUSE 11.1 to openSUSE Build Service' by choosing that vendor change radio button.

What are you left with?

Will

Hi Will and list, - thank you for your answer. - as can be seen from the conflicts.txt (may be downloaded from http://www.os-academy.dk/opensuse/), there are simply way too many to make this a viable option. Even so, there would still be quite many unresolved dependencies. I still find it hard to grasp that updating from a KDE4.1.3 desktop to a more recent, nearly-stable-recommended-and-used-by-everyone-on-this-list version 4.3 is so difficult... I actually downloaded and re-installed openSuSE11.1 about two weeks ago in order to supply a virginal and sound basis for en upgrade to KDE4.3 What really puzzles me is the fact that the commandline exercise with zypper (given earlier in this thread) and the zypper dup thing didn't do the thing. Anyhow, I still got a working desktop which is more than I had a few weeks ago :-) -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

19:19

On Sunday 23 August 2009 09:33:57 am Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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Anders Johansson skrev:

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On Sunday 23 August 2009 15:34:54 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell.

Would you mind being a little more explicit? I don't know what you mean here by "dependency hell" - I don't see that

Anders

Hi list and Anders,

- by dependency hell I mean that the upgrade seems to start - but then YaST comes out with red warnings (a LOT) that this or that programme/library/what-do-I-know cannot be satisfied and so.

The "dependency hell" is most probably because of vendor change from openSUSE to openSUSE Build Service. There is of course few packages that don't exist in 4.3 anymore, but I can't recall that they make a problem. The solutions are: 1) Read /etc/zypp/zypp.conf lines after: ## Defining directory which contains vendor description files. and setup list of such vendors (I didn't test that part, and 11.1 zypper is not equipped with any command line options to control that) 2) Manually go trough the list of problems and allow change from openSUSE to openSUSE Build Service (works, but it is a long list)

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At that point, I cancel the upgrade as YaST doesn't give me but one choice.. namely to ignore it. Which I certainly don't want to do.

There is nothing to ignore, at least in the majority of listed "problems". <Anders replied to the snipped out part> -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jay Mistry

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Hi list and Anders,

I don't understand it....I follow the advise (the link) to the point and YaST comes up with dependency hell.

It's simply not possible to upgrade into KDE4.3 - without breaking stuff??

Should I de-activate other repos before employing the link given?

<snip> Step-by-step 'How To' for upgrading to KDE 4.3 here: http://forums.opensuse.org/how-faq-read-only/unreviewed-how-faq/418837-kde4-... HTH Jay -- Linux User 483705 | openSUSE 11.1, Ubuntu 9.04 (i686) w/ Win XP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Binner

03:35

On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow?

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Don Raboud

14:18

Hi On August 22, 2009 09:35:16 pm Stephan Binner wrote:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow?

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade

I'm trying to upgrade an new install of 11.1 to use KDE4.3. I've followed the instructions in the url above, but I'm running into problems. zypper dup starts ok and begins doing its thing, but there ends up being several messages about bad digests, for example Digest verification failed for libqt4-4.5.2-57.1.i586.rpm. Expected e603e49956c0484562df5e2ceb787ac677bf0ec1, found ada9a8ae0bca2b159074ecfc73e265750945e455 I've tried re-retrieving these packages as well as 'zypper ref' and 'zypper verify' numerous times which haasn't helped. This is obviously preventing this process from finishing. I initially though this could be a transient problem with the mirrors, but it has been going on for over 10 hours now, so I though I would ask here. Any ideas? -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

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Hi

On August 22, 2009 09:35:16 pm Stephan Binner wrote:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow? http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade

I'm trying to upgrade an new install of 11.1 to use KDE4.3. I've followed the instructions in the url above, but I'm running into problems.

zypper dup starts ok and begins doing its thing, but there ends up being several messages about bad digests, for example

AFAIK zypper dup is for upgrading the whole OS not just individual packages.

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Digest verification failed for libqt4-4.5.2-57.1.i586.rpm. Expected e603e49956c0484562df5e2ceb787ac677bf0ec1, found ada9a8ae0bca2b159074ecfc73e265750945e455

I've tried re-retrieving these packages as well as 'zypper ref' and 'zypper verify' numerous times which hasn't helped. This is obviously preventing this process from finishing.

I initially though this could be a transient problem with the mirrors, but it has been going on for over 10 hours now, so I though I would ask here.

Any ideas?

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Don Raboud

15:26

On August 23, 2009 08:45:29 am Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Don Raboud pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On August 22, 2009 09:35:16 pm Stephan Binner wrote:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow?

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade

I'm trying to upgrade an new install of 11.1 to use KDE4.3. I've followed the instructions in the url above, but I'm running into problems.

zypper dup starts ok and begins doing its thing, but there ends up being several messages about bad digests, for example

AFAIK zypper dup is for upgrading the whole OS not just individual packages.

Ken, 'zypper dup' can be used for that, it all depends on the repos used. I think in general zypper dup will just update everything according to whatever is in your active repos. I don't have any repos pointing towards any 11.2 or factory stuff, other than the one for KDE4. -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

24 Aug 24 Aug

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Don Raboud skrev:

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On August 23, 2009 08:45:29 am Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow? http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade I'm trying to upgrade an new install of 11.1 to use KDE4.3. I've followed the instructions in the url above, but I'm running into

On August 22, 2009 09:35:16 pm Stephan Binner wrote: problems.

zypper dup starts ok and begins doing its thing, but there ends up being several messages about bad digests, for example AFAIK zypper dup is for upgrading the whole OS not just individual

Don Raboud pecked at the keyboard and wrote: packages.

Ken,

'zypper dup' can be used for that, it all depends on the repos used.

I think in general zypper dup will just update everything according to whatever is in your active repos.

I don't have any repos pointing towards any 11.2 or factory stuff, other than the one for KDE4.

OFF TOPIC! - from reading this thread I gather that my postings have arrived and are being read by the list members. - only I can see all postings - but my own... - how on earth...?? -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Verner Kjærsgaard

06:36

Verner Kjærsgaard skrev:

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Don Raboud skrev:

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On August 23, 2009 08:45:29 am Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:19:32 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- yes, I should upgrade to KDE4.3. there an exact how-to to follow? http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade I'm trying to upgrade an new install of 11.1 to use KDE4.3. I've followed the instructions in the url above, but I'm running into

On August 22, 2009 09:35:16 pm Stephan Binner wrote: problems.

zypper dup starts ok and begins doing its thing, but there ends up being several messages about bad digests, for example AFAIK zypper dup is for upgrading the whole OS not just individual

Don Raboud pecked at the keyboard and wrote: packages. Ken,

'zypper dup' can be used for that, it all depends on the repos used.

I think in general zypper dup will just update everything according to whatever is in your active repos.

I don't have any repos pointing towards any 11.2 or factory stuff, other than the one for KDE4.

OFF TOPIC!

- from reading this thread I gather that my postings have arrived and are being read by the list members.

- only I can see all postings - but my own...

- how on earth...??

I found out why... If I use google as my outgoing mailserver, my postings to not arrive. If I use my ordinary outgoing mailserver, they do... Ok, SOLVED! -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

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* Verner Kjærsgaard [08-24-09 02:36]:

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I found out why... If I use google as my outgoing mailserver, my postings to not arrive. If I use my ordinary outgoing mailserver, they do... Ok, SOLVED!

Don't feel bad, many have the same difficulty, and you have solved it. Gmail sees your posts as duplicates when the listserver posts them and does not redisplay them. Simple solution, use a different relay to post and use your gmail address as "From:". -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

22 Aug 22 Aug

20:21

On Saturday 22 August 2009 13:56:05 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Now, I managed to change the background - for ALL desktops, not for just

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one. Pardon me for asking, but how for just one...I can't seem to find it.

In KDE 4.3, click the Desktop Toolbox, Configure Plasma, check "Different activity for each desktop" - now wallpaper changes only affect the current desktop.

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The desktopfolder cannot be brought into focus if another window is just partly over it. Quite annoying...Can this behaviour be changed?

I've tested this on 4.3 by partially covering a Folder View widget on the desktop with a real window like Dolphin and other widgets, in both cases the Folder View is usable. Is that the situation you had problems with or did I misunderstand? Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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