[opensuse] can i dual-boot plus run Win in a VM?
Hi, all -- I will, soon, once again finally have my own laptop, and it's been so long that I'm basically starting over :-)/2 I will dual boot because there are still times when I just have to be in Windows, but I'd also like to fire up that same copy in a VM when I just want to pop over for a moment. Is that an option? If so, is it perhaps even possible to wake and hibernate back and forth across metal and VM? Oh, and recommendations for good laptops that have trackpoint sticks in the keyboard are also welcome :-) TIA & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/16/2017 08:59 PM, David T-G wrote:
Hi, all --
I will, soon, once again finally have my own laptop, and it's been so long that I'm basically starting over :-)/2 I will dual boot because there are still times when I just have to be in Windows, but I'd also like to fire up that same copy in a VM when I just want to pop over for a moment. Is that an option? If so, is it perhaps even possible to wake and hibernate back and forth across metal and VM?
Oh, and recommendations for good laptops that have trackpoint sticks in the keyboard are also welcome :-)
I have Windows 10 on my notebook computer. I have it both installed directly and in a VirtualBox VM. However it's not the same install. I have heard it's possible to run the same installation either way, but I haven't tried it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James, et al -- ...and then James Knott said... % % On 10/16/2017 08:59 PM, David T-G wrote: % > ... % > like to fire up that same copy in a VM when I just want to pop over for % > a moment. Is that an option? If so, is it perhaps even possible to % > wake and hibernate back and forth across metal and VM? ... % % I have Windows 10 on my notebook computer. I have it both installed % directly and in a VirtualBox VM. However it's not the same install. I % have heard it's possible to run the same installation either way, but I % haven't tried it. Thanks to Carlos's excellent and clear explanation, it makes sense that I can't. Phooey. This could be interesting, though, if it doesn't take too horribly much space and depending on the licensing (it's one copy, so I'll probably only get one machine profile, so I don't see how I can make this work). Basically, as always, Windows is a stupid PITA :-) Thanks again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2017 07:43 AM, David T-G wrote:
Thanks to Carlos's excellent and clear explanation, it makes sense that I can't. Phooey. This could be interesting, though, if it doesn't take too horribly much space and depending on the licensing (it's one copy, so I'll probably only get one machine profile, so I don't see how I can make this work). Basically, as always, Windows is a stupid PITA :-)
One thing I tried, but didn't work out very well is using the same directory for Documents, so that I'd have equal access to both. While such a thing is trivial in Linux, it's not so easy in Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James, et al -- [I just realized that I forgot to OT: this thread. Oops...] ...and then James Knott said... % % On 10/17/2017 07:43 AM, David T-G wrote: ... % > can't. Phooey. This could be interesting, though, if it doesn't take % > too horribly much space and depending on the licensing (it's one copy, so ... % % One thing I tried, but didn't work out very well is using the same % directory for Documents, so that I'd have equal access to both. While % such a thing is trivial in Linux, it's not so easy in Windows. Thanks. Yeah, I'd thought about that, too, but if they have access to the same disk it means I can't hibernate, and Windows startup is more time wasted. Maybe I can find a way to unmount a partition before going to sleep or some such... I'll probably end up with one "real" Windows and a rinky-dink play copy or just nothing from the Linux side. First I have to even get a machine and get back to tinkering, though :-) Thanks again & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2017 09:54 AM, David T-G wrote:
Thanks. Yeah, I'd thought about that, too, but if they have access to the same disk it means I can't hibernate, and Windows startup is more time wasted. Maybe I can find a way to unmount a partition before going to sleep or some such...
You have to be careful with that too. I can't say about hibernate, but Windows 10 has a fast boot feature that has to be turned off. If enabled, it prevents booting into Linux, because the Windows file system hasn't been properly shut down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
James, et al -- ...and then James Knott said... % % You have to be careful with that too. I can't say about hibernate, but % Windows 10 has a fast boot feature that has to be turned off. If % enabled, it prevents booting into Linux, because the Windows file system % hasn't been properly shut down. Yep; that's basically hibernate in that it saves a lot of state even if it does reset a few things. One of the first things to disable :-) Thanks again & HANN :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-10-17 16:41, James Knott wrote:
On 10/17/2017 09:54 AM, David T-G wrote:
Thanks. Yeah, I'd thought about that, too, but if they have access to the same disk it means I can't hibernate, and Windows startup is more time wasted. Maybe I can find a way to unmount a partition before going to sleep or some such...
You have to be careful with that too. I can't say about hibernate, but Windows 10 has a fast boot feature that has to be turned off. If enabled, it prevents booting into Linux, because the Windows file system hasn't been properly shut down.
Only if that filesystem is listed in /etc/fstab. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2017-10-17 02:59, David T-G wrote:
Hi, all --
I will, soon, once again finally have my own laptop, and it's been so long that I'm basically starting over :-)/2 I will dual boot because there are still times when I just have to be in Windows, but I'd also like to fire up that same copy in a VM when I just want to pop over for a moment. Is that an option? If so, is it perhaps even possible to wake and hibernate back and forth across metal and VM?
No. Why? Because Windows will think it is different hardware and will void the license... Besides that, the system will actually see different hardware, and will have to adjust to it with different drivers. Linux actually does that better than Windows, no drivers to download and install each time. But Windows, if you have used it, you know it loves to install and reboot and install and reboot... About hibernating in one and restoring in another... guess? ;-) Hint: the hibernated system expects on wakeup to find the exact same hardware in the same configuration and status. It knows it has to configure certain things, like the video card, in a certain way so that it gets to the same status it was in before going to sleep. But it is not the same video card, it is an emulated one this time. Oops! (panic!) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
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