Message is undeliverable. Reason: Unable to access cc:Mail Post office. Please retry later. Original text follows: --------------------- </PRE> <PRE> Received: from correo.wieseaetna.com by ccmail.wieseaetna.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Fri, 27 Nov 98 04:42:56 -0500 Return-Path: <owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com> Received: from correo.cyberline.com.pe ([200.37.63.3]) by correo.wieseaetna.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 103 for <cyber@wieseaetna.com>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 04:35:47 -0500 Received: from mail.suse.com ([209.0.51.4]) by correo.cyberline.com.pe (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 357 for <gustavob@cyberline.com.pe>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 04:41:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by mail.suse.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24506; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:53:12 -0800 Received: by mail.suse.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:53:12 -0800 Received: (from mdom@localhost) by mail.suse.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24502 for suse-linux-e-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:53:11 -0800 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by mail.suse.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24498 for <suse-linux-e@suse.com>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:53:10 -0800 Received: from [158.152.97.177] (helo=stokes.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zjJgj-0004Mh-00 for suse-linux-e@suse.com; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:55:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (phil@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stokes.demon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01341 for <suse-linux-e@suse.com>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:37:53 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:37:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Stokes <phil@stokes.demon.co.uk> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SuSE Linux] Re: News & e-mail reader In-Reply-To: <<A HREF="msg01285.html">E0zjArI-0004h1-01@post.mail.demon.net</A>> Message-ID: <<A HREF="msg01295.html">Pine.LNX.4.05.9811270811140.1330-100000@stokes.demon.co.uk</A>> X-Mailer: Pine 4.05 (Unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Chris Keenan wrote:

I forgot to mention that I wanted an off-line reader. Here in the UK we have time-based call charges, so I like to be able to lgo on, download news headers while I'm retrieving mail, then log off whil I work my way through headers marking what I think might be of interest. So I never use browsers for these functions (except at work where we have permanent connections).

Just about anything can be used offline if you set up a local newsserver on your own machine. CNews and INN both come with SuSE. I use INN and fetch my articles with slurp, although there are other choices of programs to fetch news as well - suck, which has killfile abilities, newsx etc. I use Tin to read news, configured as an NNTP reader connecting to localhost as my newsserver. I don't know of any Linux app that allows you to download headers and subsequently fetch those you mark interesting, although someone else might, but in practice I find downloading everything in my subscribed groups and selecting which I read offline quicker, but I'm only subscribed to 20-odd groups fetching about 1000 articles a day. Very rarely does my online time to download news exceed the BT minimum call charge. Standard disclaimers apply though (YMMV etc). Pine will handle both mail and news, although I haven't used it as a newsreader, preferring Tin which I have been using for several years. Much nicer now I'm running it in colour under Linux too :)

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The thing about Linux is that you just don't have allot of monolithic apps that combine functions as much as you do on Doze.

Snip philosophy with which I entirely agree.

I have to agree with you in principle, but I still think mail & news are natural bedfellows!

There are some crossovers, but on the whole they are completely different protocols. I have to say that IMO many of the combined mail and newsreaders available under Windoze make it far to easy for users to do stupid things like posting MIME or HTML encoded articles to usenet, where they are generally unwelcome. But with Linux anyway you can have your newsreader open on one virtual screen or console, and your mailer running on another - far easier to switch between them than going in and out of various screens wihin a single combine app. Phil -- Philip Stokes Email: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Fax: +44 (0)870 164 1242 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e