On Friday 27 October 2006 05:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> [10-26-06 11:38]:

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The Subject says it all :-( .

How so?

As my othere post a day ago stated, suddenly the mail from the Suse servers stopped coming in.

Wouldn't s/the mail/my mail/ be more correct?

My mail client (Thunderbird) is set to check for mail every couple of minutes and on a normal day I get a trickle of mail in the this forum, and others like OT, every couple of minutes. But as day ago all(*) mail from Suse servers stopped.

I can go to the archives and see my own post(s) and replies to it and other posts but they don't get to me.

Then, after many hours the whole backlog of mail gets dumped--happened yesterday and again today.

So somewhere between the ML server and you the pipe becomes clogged every now and then. Is there an indication in the headers of the emails?

(*) Interestingly enough, the only mail which DOES get through normally is that which is posted directly on the Suse server. For example, Andres Jaeger's reply to me re 10.2 beta 1 got thru t me as soon as he posted it and also the post from Matthias Hopf get through without problems--but posts by anyone else aren't coming thru.

Some people have a habit to send mail to the list as well as to the private email address. Are you certain that this is not the case? Cheers, Leen

* Ed McCanless <e_mccanless@bellsouth.net> [10-27-06 18:13]:

I hope this is not a bad habit, I'm guilty.

It is *unless* specifically requested, ie: via "Reply-To:"

How could this prevent us from receiving mail from the list?

It should not! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Leendert Meyer wrote:

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Some people have a habit to send mail to the list as well as to the private email address. Are you certain that this is not the case?

Cheers,

Leen

I hope this is not a bad habit, I'm guilty. How could this prevent us from receiving mail from the list? What Leendert is suggesting is that the mail from Andreas and Matthias (both from SuSE) was cc'd to Basil, as well as posted to the list (this is in fact the case with Andreas's msg that Basil referred to). Thus Basil would have seen the copy Andreas sent directly, and not received

On 27/10/06 16:03, Ed McCanless wrote: the list copy until later. Whether or not it's a bad habit depends on who is receiving the mail -- some people will scream until they turn blue if they receive a cc of an email sent to the list. I do not know if they yell at Andreas when he replies to one of their messages -- I think it would not be in good form to yell at a SuSE guy on *this* list :-)

* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [10-27-06 21:24]:

Actually, it is quite simple to automatically move those CC messages to a diferent folder automatically.

For instance, I receive mail from this list in one folder, CCed mails in another, and direct only emails in a third folder. I'm not bothered at all by thosed copies, I could even erase them automatically if I wanted.

Procmail is so nice... ;-)

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The Friday 2006-10-27 at 18:28 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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Whether or not it's a bad habit depends on who is receiving the mail -- some people will scream until they turn blue if they receive a cc of an email sent to the list. I do not know if they yell at Andreas when he replies to one of their messages -- I think it would not be in good form to yell at a SuSE guy on *this* list :-)

X''-))

Actually, it is quite simple to automatically move those CC messages to a diferent folder automatically.

For instance, I receive mail from this list in one folder, CCed mails in another, and direct only emails in a third folder. I'm not bothered at all by thosed copies, I could even erase them automatically if I wanted.

Procmail is so nice... ;-)

So is Thunderbird--its filters are very configurable :-) . Cheers. -- I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

On 27/10/06 19:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Friday 2006-10-27 at 18:28 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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Whether or not it's a bad habit depends on who is receiving the mail -- some people will scream until they turn blue if they receive a cc of an email sent to the list. I do not know if they yell at Andreas when he replies to one of their messages -- I think it would not be in good form to yell at a SuSE guy on *this* list :-)

X''-))

Actually, it is quite simple to automatically move those CC messages to a diferent folder automatically.

For instance, I receive mail from this list in one folder, CCed mails in another, and direct only emails in a third folder. I'm not bothered at all by thosed copies, I could even erase them automatically if I wanted.

Procmail is so nice... ;-)

I'm using mozilla, and it works. Actually, one of the rants about cc's and offlist replies did contain something useful to me -- the "list-post" header. As soon as I learned about that, my mail filters suddenly became trivial, and all of them now work all the time (previously, a tiny logic error anywhere would result in the occasional misdirected message). All mail cc'd or direct to me stays in the inbox, where I can read it or not, and any mail for any list goes to its proper place. So it is not that all the ranting about cc's of list mail contain nothing of value, just that the signal-to-noise ratio qualifies quite nicely as one of those differential values one learned about in calculus, eg. lim (dx --> 0) < something> :-)