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Kevanf1

19 Jan 2006 19 Jan '06

16:23

On 19/01/06, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Have a reserve webmail account which I use irregular. I would like to know if it is possible to get the email from such a web mail account to my computer in order to read it off line or just to save it there. The instructions on the account page are not very clear so I do not come very far there. There-above they are not written in my mother tongue, nor in one of the other languages which I master good. I assume there must be a good knowledge on the list because several list members are using e.g gmail etc. and I think that it makes common sense to have the important emails on your own puter.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may all depend on whether your webmail provider has POP servers. If so they should offer details of how to set it up. Gmail and Yahoo Mail (I have accounts with both) both have pretty good configuration pages for setting this up. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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C. Brouerius van Nidek

19 Jan 19 Jan

17:02

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

On Thursday 19 January 2006 23:23, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 19/01/06, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Have a reserve webmail account which I use irregular. I would like to know if it is possible to get the email from such a web mail account to my computer in order to read it off line or just to save it there. The instructions on the account page are not very clear so I do not come very far there. There-above they are not written in my mother tongue, nor in one of the other languages which I master good. I assume there must be a good knowledge on the list because several list members are using e.g gmail etc. and I think that it makes common sense to have the important emails on your own puter.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may all depend on whether your webmail provider has POP servers. If so they should offer details of how to set it up. Gmail and Yahoo Mail (I have accounts with both) both have pretty good configuration pages for setting this up.

Well they have a kind of setup page for their POP server but the information that they supply is less than complete and not useful.

C. Brouerius van Nidek

20 Jan 20 Jan

05:13

New subject: Gmail invitation, was [OT] web email account

On Friday 20 January 2006 00:02, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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On Thursday 19 January 2006 23:23, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 19/01/06, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Have a reserve webmail account which I use irregular. I would like to know if it is possible to get the email from such a web mail account to my computer in order to read it off line or just to save it there. The instructions on the account page are not very clear so I do not come very far there. There-above they are not written in my mother tongue, nor in one of the other languages which I master good. I assume there must be a good knowledge on the list because several list members are using e.g gmail etc. and I think that it makes common sense to have the important emails on your own puter.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may all depend on whether your webmail provider has POP servers. If so they should offer details of how to set it up. Gmail and Yahoo Mail (I have accounts with both) both have pretty good configuration pages for setting this up.

Well they have a kind of setup page for their POP server but the information that they supply is less than complete and not useful.

Gave up and are now looking for a Gmail invitation. Anybody who can help me?

Al Active

08:03

New subject: [SLE] Re: Gmail invitation, was [OT] web email account

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 12:13 +0700, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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On Friday 20 January 2006 00:02, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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On Thursday 19 January 2006 23:23, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 19/01/06, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Have a reserve webmail account which I use irregular. I would like to know if it is possible to get the email from such a web mail account to my computer in order to read it off line or just to save it there. The instructions on the account page are not very clear so I do not come very far there. There-above they are not written in my mother tongue, nor in one of the other languages which I master good. I assume there must be a good knowledge on the list because several list members are using e.g gmail etc. and I think that it makes common sense to have the important emails on your own puter.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may all depend on whether your webmail provider has POP servers. If so they should offer details of how to set it up. Gmail and Yahoo Mail (I have accounts with both) both have pretty good configuration pages for setting this up.

Well they have a kind of setup page for their POP server but the information that they supply is less than complete and not useful.

Gave up and are now looking for a Gmail invitation. Anybody who can help me?

http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Invites :-) Al

roach

21 Jan 21 Jan

04:43

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

On Thursday 19 January 2006 19:02, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Well they have a kind of setup page for their POP server but the information that they supply is less than complete and not useful.

Is that setup page publically available, maybe we can help with the missing information. If you want reliable POP access, then Gmail is not a good idea. All the best. -- Robert "roach" Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa

Patrick Shanahan

22:40

New subject: gmail pop not good?, was: web email account

* roach [01-21-06 15:11]:

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If you want reliable POP access, then Gmail is not a good idea.

I have noticed no difficulty. What problems are you seeing? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Carlos E. R.

22 Jan 22 Jan

01:40

New subject: [SLE] gmail pop not good?, was: web email account

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-01-21 at 17:40 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* roach [01-21-06 15:11]:

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If you want reliable POP access, then Gmail is not a good idea.

I have noticed no difficulty. What problems are you seeing?

Don't you remember my report? | Re: [SLE] [+/-OT] Does gmail pop3 work for you? He has the same problem as I do (did). Mine was Out Of Service for over a month: it started working again yesterday. Then I can't get a download rate over 1.5 kb/s average. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD0uKItTMYHG2NR9URAvF+AJ9PvKF9zcplz7A4h9iPXCDes/h8nwCffw4M 4rQbXVbYs835MHzUs1TBN8o= =kzpn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

James Knott

21 Jan 21 Jan

23:58

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

roach wrote:

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On Thursday 19 January 2006 19:02, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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Well they have a kind of setup page for their POP server but the information that they supply is less than complete and not useful.

Is that setup page publically available, maybe we can help with the missing information.

If you want reliable POP access, then Gmail is not a good idea.

Why's that? Is there a problem with their servers?

roach

23 Jan 23 Jan

04:43

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

On Sunday 22 January 2006 01:58, James Knott wrote:

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Why's that? Is there a problem with their servers?

Gmail POP is not standard compliant & it has been reported to be non-functional for some users. -- Robert "roach" Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa

Andrew Kar

22 Jan 22 Jan

17:15

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

On Monday 23 January 2006 15:43, roach wrote:

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it has been reported to be non-functional for some users.

Thats TRUE! it is Non Functional for those users too retarded to read the setup page and dont use the correct ports for pop access that gmail uses which ARE indeed different to what most pop/smtp servers run. That does not make it non-standards though. Some users dont turn SSL on etc which is standard for gmail. -- regards, andrew

Kevanf1

23 Jan 23 Jan

11:01

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

On 22/01/06, Andrew Kar wrote:

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On Monday 23 January 2006 15:43, roach wrote:

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it has been reported to be non-functional for some users.

Thats TRUE! it is Non Functional for those users too retarded to read the setup page and dont use the correct ports for pop access that gmail uses which ARE indeed different to what most pop/smtp servers run. That does not make it non-standards though. Some users dont turn SSL on etc which is standard for gmail.

-- regards, andrew

I don't think I would dare to call Carlos 'retarded', Andrew. He is one of the most clued up member of this list yet he has had major problems with accessing his Gmail via POP. From reading his previous posts on the subject he did initially get it set up and running sweetly. After a period of time it simply did not work/function correctly. Carlos did not make any settings changes so one must conclude that Gmail have changed something??? Now, whether or not this breaks standards compliance or not is the subject of another thread, I would have thought. I have to hazard the guess that perhaps Gmail have moved the goalposts regarding POP access because the web version is advert funded and these do not get shown via POP? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

E. Hoon Shim

24 Jan 24 Jan

00:39

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

Hmm. . .(knock on wood), but Gmail has been working great via POP since Gmail added the service for me. What does "perhaps Gmail have moved the goalposts regarding POP access" exactly mean? Please don't flame, "goalposts" is just a new term for me. Cheers, ed On Monday 23 January 2006 04:01, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 22/01/06, Andrew Kar wrote:

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On Monday 23 January 2006 15:43, roach wrote:

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it has been reported to be non-functional for some users.

Thats TRUE! it is Non Functional for those users too retarded to read the setup page and dont use the correct ports for pop access that gmail uses which ARE indeed different to what most pop/smtp servers run. That does not make it non-standards though. Some users dont turn SSL on etc which is standard for gmail.

-- regards, andrew

I don't think I would dare to call Carlos 'retarded', Andrew. He is one of the most clued up member of this list yet he has had major problems with accessing his Gmail via POP. From reading his previous posts on the subject he did initially get it set up and running sweetly. After a period of time it simply did not work/function correctly. Carlos did not make any settings changes so one must conclude that Gmail have changed something??? Now, whether or not this breaks standards compliance or not is the subject of another thread, I would have thought.

I have to hazard the guess that perhaps Gmail have moved the goalposts regarding POP access because the web version is advert funded and these do not get shown via POP? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer

Linux user #373362

Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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Carlos E. R.

23 Jan 23 Jan

12:43

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-01-23 at 04:15 +1100, Andrew Kar wrote:

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On Monday 23 January 2006 15:43, roach wrote:

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it has been reported to be non-functional for some users.

Thats TRUE! it is Non Functional for those users too retarded to read the setup page and dont use the correct ports for pop access that gmail uses which ARE indeed different to what most pop/smtp servers run. That does not make it non-standards though. Some users dont turn SSL on etc which is standard for gmail.

Now YOU are being stupid. :-/ I will not explain why, you probably don't read. Kevanf1 explained it, then you can find my report in the archive and investigate it. I will not. For your info, I have an email from gmail people sort of acknowledging the problem. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD1M+CtTMYHG2NR9URAtzBAKCInbF9eVLwqtQAWKkrHy+RKuOKnACdGVJR j0u6xODP5XGtGGE69o2ques= =THqe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Carlos E. R.

12:56

New subject: [SLE] Re: [OT] web email account

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-01-23 at 06:43 +0200, roach wrote:

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On Sunday 22 January 2006 01:58, James Knott wrote:

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Why's that? Is there a problem with their servers?

Gmail POP is not standard compliant & it has been reported to be non-functional for some users.

I don't know if it is standard: fetchmail did not have any problems with it - not that it can be infered from that fact, as fetchmail works with ms exchange and such :-p Post a complaint on their web page somewhere, after searching their help for the particular error we got; that's what I did, and they solved it - after two or three weeks. I think their database, where they list who should get pop3 and what pop3, got stuck. In the other old thread I reported it as solved and how. An interesting thing is that they have a mail server certificate: | 6.2.5 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Mon Jan 23 12:53:16 2006: poll started | Issuer Organization: Equifax | Unknown Issuer CommonName | Server CommonName: pop.gmail.com | pop.gmail.com key fingerprint: 59:51:61:89:CD:DD:B2:35:94:BB:44:97:A0:39:D5:B4 | Warning: server certificate verification: unable to get local issuer certificate | Issuer Organization: Equifax | Unknown Issuer CommonName | Server CommonName: pop.gmail.com | Warning: server certificate verification: certificate not trusted | Issuer Organization: Equifax | Unknown Issuer CommonName | Server CommonName: pop.gmail.com | Warning: server certificate verification: unable to verify the first certificate | POP3< +OK Gpop ready. l22pf2613979nfc It works, of course, but without the certificate. It would be nice. But it is not mentioned in the pop3 help they have. How can the server certificate be obtained? - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD1NJrtTMYHG2NR9URAr8mAJ9b9gD6NxizbJvAXX/10cjIk5LShACcC01C VplQPVitXymz/BQ62FHGbts= =Ycfj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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