C schreef:

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24, Oddball wrote:

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Malcolm showed me an extremely nice app for eee-pc:

http://greg.geekmind.org/eee-control/

I can feel some tension in this list towards this app, but cannot deny the nice look and usefullness of this app. Personaly i think this should be available also to KDE4 users. This app might even consider me to change desktopmanager...

I looked at it... it's the same one I remember using back when I first installed Linux on my Eee.

You said you use KDE4? I've found that the CPU scaling feature that the eee-control provides is in a slightly different form in the Power Management part of the KDE4 desktop config. The only thing you don't get is a quick click applet to scale the CPU on the fly. That's something I never did while using the applet anyway. I leave my Eee on Dynamic while plugged in to the wall and it scales the CPU as needed (I think that's teh equivalent of Normal on the applet). I've set it to power save for when it's on battery.

Otherwise the applet gave me exactly the same mouse click features as I got either through the Fn keys or the KNetwork manager (turning WiFi on/off) and Systray applets (eg Bluetooth).

I haven't seen any way to re-assign the Fn keys to some other function in KDE4 - not that I've tried since I don't need those Fn keys to do anything other than the controls they are designed to do.

I took a look at the listed features....

# ACPI support for hotkeys, LCD brightness control and hardware toggles They work out-of-the-box in 11.2 and 11.3, so this is redundant, no?

# Toggle hardware (WiFi, Bluetooth, card reader, webcam, touchpad) on and off Can do this without the eee-control via the Fn keys.

# Easy graphical configuration of hotkey actions This you cannot easily do (not that I've found) in regular KDE4 (can't speak for Gnome)

# Better (finer granularity, more silent) fan control This you cannot easily do in (not that I've found) regular KDE4 (can't speak for Gnome)

# Extended LCD brightness (brighter and darker than the default range) I remember being able to turn off the LCD completely using this applet... to the point where I couldn't read the screen anymore. I haven't seen the need for that, so don't miss it. The standard brightness range that is accessible via the Fn+brightness keys has been enough for me.

# Notifications/OSD (fully configurable) KDE4 themes do most if not all of the on-screen notifications (eg volume, brightness etc are shown in a progress bar, WiFi enable/disable is shown in a popup etc). So... nothing missing I'm aware of.

# Performance control (adjusts FSB and CPU voltage) for saving power and/or overclocking OK, this one is also not easily done without the applet.

# gnome-power-manager integration for automatic performance adjustment Done by KDE4

# Monitor for hardware sensors (fan, temperature) Done by KDE4 via desktop widgets.

So... other than overclocking, easily tweaking your fan speeds and setting your brightness to zero... what are you missing in KDE4? Serious question - I used to use this applet myself, and stopped using it or looking for it when I installed 11.2 and all my Fn keys worked without it.

C.

What you say i can imagine quit well, as it is candy. Not to have it, while other distro's have it, is different. Do you understand? It is not you cann't do without it, but why if it is available? And it looks real nice, good job done there, which i also appreciate much. Take good things and make them work together is not so bad? I decided before reading and answering this mail to install KDE, instead of gnome btw.. I am performing a network -fresh install of M7 atm..(glad i did the partitioning already yesterday, without knowing about the bug yet.. mountpoints could be imported, names edited and changed though.) There are many apps on opensuse i do not use, and some i use, but are not standard in the installation: Krusader and Thunderbird fi. Assigning Function keys is something i used to do since my amiga era, and especialy on this multifunctional little beauty it might come in handy, i like using the keyboard, as the touchpad is quick with activating or selecting, and way slower as a keyboard in general. A config tool is mostly only used to adjust settings, but not having it feels like missing something, especialy if it is available else where.. Besides that, to be taken serious as a distro, adjustable hardware functions should be available in a graphical interface these days. Things have to 'work', without fuss, these days, but i agree to the fact that it takes a lot of time and work to get it that way.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag 08 Juni 2010, 15:09:03 schrieb C:

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:46, Oddball wrote:

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What you say i can imagine quit well, as it is candy. Not to have it, while other distro's have it, is different. Do you understand? It is not you cann't do without it, but why if it is available? And it looks real nice, good job done there, which i also appreciate much.

Sure, no argument that you should have the apps you want etc.

I think the key point though was in Herbert G's comment in the other thread on this topic.

<quote> eee-control depends on a special kernel module (eeepc-acpi) made by asus. Since openSUSE 11.2 the kernel has is own kernel module (eeepc_laptop) for this, which does the job. All these backports of eee-control and eeepc-acpi origin from pre openSUSE 11.2 time and shouldn't be used for openSUSE 11.2 and above. Best they would be purged from the Build Service, because the more harm than help. </quote>

I've been fine without the eee-control... just trying to see if I missed anythign cool by no longer using it :-)

I have look at the latest version eee-control and it seems to support the eeepc_laptopkernel module, too. So it it is fine to use with openSUSE 11.2, but it is not neccessary, it's only for more comfort. For those who likes to have eee-control for KDE4 (No, not me...), reuse eee- control's daemon and rewrite the GUI part to use plasma. The original GUI is written in python and plasma supports python too, so that' looks like the easiest way. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag 08 Juni 2010, 17:03:51 schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

El 08/06/10 10:46, Herbert Graeber escribió:

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For those who likes to have eee-control for KDE4 (No, not me...), reuse eee- control's daemon and rewrite the GUI part to use plasma. The original GUI is written in python and plasma supports python too, so that' looks like the easiest way.

My question is why there is a daemon running to setup function keys and CPU features, shouldn't the X server and built-in features in DE's do the job just fine ?

No, there are no X or DE environment specific functions in eee-control. The daemon controls the hardware drivers and provides a dbus interface, which can be used by some GUI to handle the user level part. That's similar to NetworkManager or pulseaudio. The daemon is neccessary in this case, because some of the functions of eee- control are available whithout a login or even when in runlevel 3 or below. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org