Thanks, but the problem is some programs (such as Xemacs) already start too big to reach the bottom of the window; and since I try to minimize using the mouse, the whole thing of clicking to select and option, etc, seems and unnecessary waste of mouse clicks. And that still leaves open the issue of starting applications withouth mouse clicks (i.e., using only keyboard shortcuts); I guess it surely is possible with windowmaker, but haven't found how. Ramon On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote:

On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 11:24:18PM +0200, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote:

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I use KDE, but intrigued by this thread, I tried windowmaker and was very pleasently surprised by the look and feel. However, there are two things that I use a lot in KDE and I could not figure out.

1. How do I start, with a simple keybord shortcut, the "Run" so that I can type the name of a program to run? (The equivalente of Alt + F2 in KDE). I find icons cluttering and cumbersome to use to start programs.

2. How do I resize windows? I could do it with the xterm window, but not with the windows of other programs (such as Xemacs, Kmail, etc). I like that the operation in KDE is a simple as clikcing on the border (or corner) of the window with left buttom pressed, and dragging to final size.

In Windowmaker, you can maximize and minimize the window by right-clicking on the title bar and selecting the option you want. If you just want to resize the window, then you can point and drag on the bar at the bottom of the window.

Victor

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David Porter wrote:

.............. It's so professional that all the menu has on it is xterm. If that's too professional, then you could use the less professional wmx. Hell, if you want to be really professional (and a bit masochistic, too!) just use X-windows on it's own :-)

One of the things I love about this whole setup is that I can "use what I choose", then customise it to be just what I want. So much better than having the same screen staring at you, regardless of who set it up! As said earlier, all the great window managers out there are the real reason why we have so many people burning the midnight oil to bring us something better every time you turn around! I've recently started doing a programming course at the TAFE College where I teach Computer Hardware. Going to be a while before I can do anything worth seeing though. The first three or four months of the course is on Visual Basic (bleeach!). Then we''ll be going on to Python, Java etc. Who knows, maybe one day I'll be able to list something on Freshmeat! Till then, my hat is off to the people who are building some of the most professional applications the world has seen, and doing it for (in many cases) nothing but their own satisfaction in a job well done. -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/