[opensuse] Systemd kills text terminals
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [CTRL][Alt][F1] does not work. chvt 1 - hangs. It was working an hour ago. Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG1GwsACgkQIvFNjefEBxqTgACguLG0ep2YJOkwa2W8UmcvzZs8 qAAAniKgqsPAqUsGcmajiWszjlnrlQKD =5iUl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 09/06/13 20:17, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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[CTRL][Alt][F1] does not work.
chvt 1 - hangs.
It was working an hour ago.
Again.. not a useful description for a problem. Does ctrl + alt + F6 offers you a tty ?
Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them.
What do you mean with that ? removing those packages fixes the problem ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-10 02:19, Cristian Rodr￭guez wrote:
[CTRL][Alt][F1] does not work.
chvt 1 - hangs.
It was working an hour ago.
Again.. not a useful description for a problem.
Does ctrl + alt + F6 offers you a tty ?
None of 1-10 works at all. Typing in an xterm: su - chvt 1 hangs, does not return.
Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them.
What do you mean with that ? removing those packages fixes the problem ?
Absolutely, after a reboot. It is a documented bug somewhere, reported for factory. I went straight to remove those, having read about it previously, here or in the beta forum. I had booted to level 3, then run "init 5" to reach graphical mode. I had an editor session working in VT 5, I needed to get there to get the results of a previous test saved. I exited XFCE, logged in again as "failsafe" (xorg session type "failsafe", not grub failsafe). Got a terminal, issued "init 3" to kill graphics, got to text mode, and there I had the terminals, intact, and I could save my file. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG1Hq0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxpK9QCggsEYdPA5CIpAWJcVlNTAYQNn +zYAoMr/aOQz4OWT59SlnnULMrLshbdV =xVs3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 09/06/13 20:32, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Absolutely, after a reboot. It is a documented bug somewhere, reported for factory. I went straight to remove those, having read about it previously, here or in the beta forum.
SO, it is problem with plymouth..ok, what is the bug number ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-10 02:40, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 09/06/13 20:32, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Absolutely, after a reboot. It is a documented bug somewhere, reported for factory. I went straight to remove those, having read about it previously, here or in the beta forum.
SO, it is problem with plymouth..ok, what is the bug number ?
They haven't told me that. I was not the one who found this out. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG1JIcACgkQIvFNjefEBxoOZQCgrMxg/u17vjRPy5hz4mhmMG4l 1kAAoJbActC/69DDcLXILBF0HcxDUK80 =/bRf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-10 02:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-06-10 02:40, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 09/06/13 20:32, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Absolutely, after a reboot. It is a documented bug somewhere, reported for factory. I went straight to remove those, having read about it previously, here or in the beta forum.
SO, it is problem with plymouth..ok, what is the bug number ?
They haven't told me that. I was not the one who found this out.
Well, they did. Achim Gratz posted the link in the factory mail list 2 days ago - have you not seen that thread? [opensuse-factory] Re: Cant switch to console anymore https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=801865 It's reported since February. Ok, this is not systemd, I was in a hurry and typed the wrong title, sorry about that. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG1JaEACgkQIvFNjefEBxqC7ACgqi3KB96zBOjwx9UyANrUhe3/ xg8AoLamL8Klw0ECxkPY38phShGRkXve =Dfls -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez said the following on 06/09/2013 08:19 PM:
El 09/06/13 20:17, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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[CTRL][Alt][F1] does not work.
chvt 1 - hangs.
It was working an hour ago.
Again.. not a useful description for a problem.
Does ctrl + alt + F6 offers you a tty ?
No and Yes No, if I use the ctl-alt on the left hand side of the keyboard Yes, if I use the ctl-alt on the right hand side of the keyboard. -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-10 03:20, Anton Aylward wrote:
Cristian Rodr￭guez said the following on 06/09/2013 08:19 PM:
Does ctrl + alt + F6 offers you a tty ?
No and Yes
No, if I use the ctl-alt on the left hand side of the keyboard Yes, if I use the ctl-alt on the right hand side of the keyboard.
I do not have right-hand-side ALT, in the ES locale it is Alt-Gr. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG1Kt0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxqcWwCePahbYT7CyPKtv6z6PjxQQtRr FhEAoIVgSgfp4NZzWfVWvsfzIhMV0p8U =S1fm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 09/06/13 20:17, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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[CTRL][Alt][F1] does not work.
chvt 1 - hangs.
It was working an hour ago.
Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them.
This bug has been fixed today in plymouth HEAD, it was also fixed on factory and probably an update will be released for older products. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 01:45, Cristian Rodr￭guez wrote:
El 09/06/13 20:17, Carlos E. R. escribi:
Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them.
This bug has been fixed today in plymouth HEAD, it was also fixed on factory and probably an update will be released for older products.
Thanks, but I will not install it, I do not want plymouth. Those packages above had simply escaped my previous removal. Reasons: - I have a separate boot partition, and initrd is large enough as it is. - I prefer booting in text mode with all the gory text messages passing by. A splash screen bores me to death, so I disable all those, too. That way I know that I have failed services to investigate: fam, spamd, nfs, loading kernel modules. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG3ut4ACgkQIvFNjefEBxpIgwCeNYZ8owNgoBQmawUb/SXx5vAI idcAnj8qr2fRnRC4dWP4G2GmTOhm5UUr =sqV5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 11/06/13 20:03, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Thanks, but I will not install it, I do not want plymouth. Those packages above had simply escaped my previous removal.
No problem, it was just FYI.
- I prefer booting in text mode with all the gory text messages passing by. A splash screen bores me to death, so I disable all those, too.
Simple setting the plymouth theme to "details" does that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 02:34, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 11/06/13 20:03, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Thanks, but I will not install it, I do not want plymouth. Those packages above had simply escaped my previous removal.
No problem, it was just FYI.
I know, I appreciate it.
- I prefer booting in text mode with all the gory text messages passing by. A splash screen bores me to death, so I disable all those, too.
Simple setting the plymouth theme to "details" does that.
Good to know; but as I said, I also need to reduce the size of initrd; disabling is not enough. I use this on grub kernel line: showopts vga=0x31a plymouth.enable=0 splash=verbose console=tty1 loglevel=3 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG3xkoACgkQIvFNjefEBxr5xwCfUbQOKyeLtNnfsQzFEy6twqPQ SOYAn2JlgVEVfVvrsdvGBx3e8eFW+IS0 =cBFB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-12 02:52 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
I use this on grub kernel line:
showopts vga=0x31a plymouth.enable=0 splash=verbose console=tty1 loglevel=3
I've not encountered console=tty1 before. Why is it there? (I still have X on tty7.) Are you using a proprietary video driver or a video chip that otherwise lacks KMS support? With FOSS drivers for Intel, AMD & NVidia chips, your vga= gets discarded after the initial seconds of boot messages, if not sooner. Its replacement for KMS supported drivers is video=. If Plymouth is not installed (as on all my installations), plymouth.enable=0 serves no purpose. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 03:13, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 02:52 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
I use this on grub kernel line:
showopts vga=0x31a plymouth.enable=0 splash=verbose console=tty1 loglevel=3
I've not encountered console=tty1 before. Why is it there? (I still have X on tty7.)
I don't really know - just that it works O:-) I tried several combinations. Someone suggested that. I get the bootup messages, with green for success, red for failed services, similar to what systemv displayed on boot. Once I got those messages in tty 5, so perhaps that "console=tty1" is to tell it where to print. But the graphical tty1 with background image after the tty1 is lost, i liked it.
Are you using a proprietary video driver or a video chip that otherwise lacks KMS support?
NVidia and nouveau, not the proprietary driver.
With FOSS drivers for Intel, AMD & NVidia chips, your vga= gets discarded after the initial seconds of boot messages, if not sooner. Its replacement for KMS supported drivers is video=.
A dot after the equal? I'll try that. I think that the upgrade process left that vga one from the previous system.
If Plymouth is not installed (as on all my installations), plymouth.enable=0 serves no purpose.
Just in case it gets reinstalled by accident ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG30g8ACgkQIvFNjefEBxqiwQCeJqO/mV7h1Mm1LBr8PvIaqNmQ IiwAmweMUG8eLavzSxrItv4DeGv98gHF =uCo3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 03:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-06-12 03:13, Felix Miata wrote:
A dot after the equal? I'll try that. I think that the upgrade process left that vga one from the previous system.
It works... but I don't notice the difference. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG303gACgkQIvFNjefEBxoABwCg2uZK6RWam3O5TNdTYwFRE0hs K04AoKvCG5t4oyVil433TOHAzUsaP5aS =1n2K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-12 03:42 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
On 2013-06-12 03:13, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 02:52 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
I use this on grub kernel line:
showopts vga=0x31a plymouth.enable=0 splash=verbose console=tty1 loglevel=3
I've not encountered console=tty1 before. Why is it there? (I still have X on tty7.)
I don't really know - just that it works O:-)
I tried several combinations. Someone suggested that. I get the bootup messages, with green for success, red for failed services, similar to what systemv displayed on boot. Once I got those messages in tty 5, so perhaps that "console=tty1" is to tell it where to print.
But the graphical tty1 with background image after the tty1 is lost, i liked it.
Initial openSUSE releases using systemd were putting X on tty1. Maybe console=tty1 is an obsolete workaround found prior to restoration of X to tty7. Some other distros are still putting X on tty1 if booting directly to X, but on tty7 if loading X after logging in on a tty, musical chairs systemd style. :-p
Are you using a proprietary video driver or a video chip that otherwise lacks KMS support?
NVidia and nouveau, not the proprietary driver.
With FOSS drivers for Intel, AMD & NVidia chips, your vga= gets discarded after the initial seconds of boot messages, if not sooner. Its replacement for KMS supported drivers is video=.
A dot after the equal? I'll try that. I think that the upgrade process left that vga one from the previous system.
That . was end of sentence. Completion of video= with a supported video mode was implied, e.g. video=1400x1050@75 or video=1600x900. I use it always, because its the easy way to get bigger text on the ttys than what results from using KMS-determined preferred/native video mode matching that used for Xorg. Most of mine are set to video=1152x864. YaST still doesn't know how to do it itself except to parrot it if you've supplied it via custom kernel options. cf. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675793 /proc/cmdline here typically looks as follows: root=/dev/md2 ipv4only=1 noresume splash=verbose video=1152x864 vga=794 3 As I taboo Plymouth at install time, I don't worry about it getting installed by accident and trying to prettify my boot messages with spindly fonts and low contrast colors. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 04:20, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 03:42 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
I don't really know - just that it works O:-)
I tried several combinations. Someone suggested that. I get the bootup messages, with green for success, red for failed services, similar to what systemv displayed on boot. Once I got those messages in tty 5, so perhaps that "console=tty1" is to tell it where to print.
But the graphical tty1 with background image after the tty1 is lost, i liked it.
Initial openSUSE releases using systemd were putting X on tty1. Maybe console=tty1 is an obsolete workaround found prior to restoration of X to tty7. Some other distros are still putting X on tty1 if booting directly to X, but on tty7 if loading X after logging in on a tty, musical chairs systemd style. :-p
I don't want it on VT7, because then the graphical session goes to VT8. It might be interesting on VT11, though, but VT1 is about fine.
A dot after the equal? I'll try that. I think that the upgrade process left that vga one from the previous system.
That . was end of sentence.
Oops.
Completion of video= with a supported video mode was implied, e.g. video=1400x1050@75 or video=1600x900. I use it always, because its the easy way to get bigger text on the ttys than what results from using KMS-determined preferred/native video mode matching that used for Xorg. Most of mine are set to video=1152x864. YaST still doesn't know how to do it itself except to parrot it if you've supplied it via custom kernel options.
Ok... I deleted the entry. I might use 1920x1080@60, which is what X my uses. But without the entry I think I do not get the video mode change somewhere at the boot start, and going from VT1 to VT7 seems faster. Text size seems the same as I had previously, so all is good. Almost... I do not have the graphical background of VT1. No idea what sets it.
As I taboo Plymouth at install time, I don't worry about it getting installed by accident and trying to prettify my boot messages with spindly fonts and low contrast colors.
That's what I did, or I thought I did. Nevertheless, I got those libraries back on my system at some point, or they were never deleted at install time (plymouth itself was never installed, it seems) On my tests, I deleted too much, resulting on removal of suspend, too. I had to reinstall suspend, and this brought back in some plymouth related libs. It can not be avoided, aparently. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG39FIACgkQIvFNjefEBxrjwACfb2w3lpAAyobHqUZjhBiHUXX+ 6sYAoJqEJrmNlsJtBD2upgYELJGiY+yL =oJru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-12 06:08 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
On 2013-06-12 04:20, Felix Miata wrote:
Initial openSUSE releases using systemd were putting X on tty1. Maybe console=tty1 is an obsolete workaround found prior to restoration of X to tty7. Some other distros are still putting X on tty1 if booting directly to X, but on tty7 if loading X after logging in on a tty, musical chairs systemd style. :-p
I don't want it on VT7, because then the graphical session goes to VT8. It might be interesting on VT11, though, but VT1 is about fine.
What don't you want on VT7? That's where XDM/GDM/KDM goes unless configured to goto VT1. On all my 12.3 systems, boot messages are on VT1, and KDM is on VT7 (when its running). I don't see anything on VT8 unless there's already an Xorg session capturing VT7, or I'm booted to Mageia, where X can wind up on any of VT[1-10] depending on whether X was already started before logging in on a VT and which VTs are hosting sessions. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 06:47, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 06:08 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
I don't want it on VT7, because then the graphical session goes to VT8. It might be interesting on VT11, though, but VT1 is about fine.
What don't you want on VT7? That's where XDM/GDM/KDM goes unless configured to goto VT1. On all my 12.3 systems, boot messages are on VT1,
On this machine the boot messages went to VT7 one day, and KDM to VT8 later. Then I used the console=tty1 option again. It may be plymouth which goes there. Is not it a graphical presentation? Plymouth is also started in level 3 if you type "init 5", interfering with the coming up X. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG4O7cACgkQIvFNjefEBxoc/ACfbKcJxJVSgk5eJlvxa3gaGQJ0 iy8An2VD5+BCem6Sr21Yv5MkdBozPgwN =YMIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 6/11/2013 9:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
If Plymouth is not installed (as on all my installations), plymouth.enable=0 serves no purpose.
It serves a purpose as a prophylactic in case plymouth gets installed despite his express wishes and without his noticing one day, ie by dependency hell and inconsiderate packaging. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-12 01:15 (GMT-0400) Brian K. White composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
If Plymouth is not installed (as on all my installations), plymouth.enable=0 serves no purpose.
It serves a purpose as a prophylactic in case plymouth gets installed despite his express wishes and without his noticing one day, ie by dependency hell and inconsiderate packaging.
Carlos already wrote that. My prophylactic is its presence in /etc/zypp/locks, usually put there via selecting taboo during installation, plus an assist from the addition of solver.onlyRequires = true in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 07:32, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 01:15 (GMT-0400) Brian K. White composed:
Carlos already wrote that. My prophylactic is its presence in /etc/zypp/locks, usually put there via selecting taboo during installation, plus an assist from the addition of solver.onlyRequires = true in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf. :-)
Despite me blocking it in YaST, it is not here: Telcontar:~ # cat /etc/zypp/locks type: package match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: java-1_6_0-sun type: patch match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: openSUSE-2011-71 type: patch match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: openSUSE-2012-233 Telcontar:~ # - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG4PGcACgkQIvFNjefEBxpycQCg0hqh/x8Th5+0BrN9BQTZL4Pj u9EAn0eAuAlpkS7Lcy0zOmJB8V9Z45D+ =qCca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-12 11:16 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-12 01:15 (GMT-0400) Brian K. White composed:
Carlos already wrote that. My prophylactic is its presence in /etc/zypp/locks, usually put there via selecting taboo during installation, plus an assist from the addition of solver.onlyRequires = true in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf. :-)
Despite me blocking it in YaST, it is not here:
Telcontar:~ # cat /etc/zypp/locks
type: package match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: java-1_6_0-sun
type: patch match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: openSUSE-2011-71
type: patch match_type: exact case_sensitive: on solvable_name: openSUSE-2012-233
If ever something is done to override an existing lock, the lock is removed rather than it actually being overridden: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=822128 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Simple setting the plymouth theme to "details" does that.
Is there any user-level documentation about that? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/ doesn't provide much; and the first three Google search result pages failed me either. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/11/2013 08:03 PM:
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On 2013-06-12 01:45, Cristian Rodr￭guez wrote:
El 09/06/13 20:17, Carlos E. R. escribi:
Removing plymouth-branding-openSUSE and plymouth-scripts, tabooing them.
This bug has been fixed today in plymouth HEAD, it was also fixed on factory and probably an update will be released for older products.
Thanks, but I will not install it, I do not want plymouth. Those packages above had simply escaped my previous removal.
Reasons:
- I have a separate boot partition, and initrd is large enough as it is.
+1
- I prefer booting in text mode with all the gory text messages passing by. A splash screen bores me to death, so I disable all those, too.
+1
That way I know that I have failed services to investigate: fam, spamd, nfs, loading kernel modules.
+1 -- How long did the whining go on when KDE2 went on KDE3? The only universal constant is change. If a species can not adapt it goes extinct. That's the law of the universe, adapt or die. -- Billie Walsh, May 18 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 12:35, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/11/2013 08:03 PM:
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+1
X'-) Good to know I'm not alone, I felt the strange guy in the crowd ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG4U60ACgkQIvFNjefEBxof2gCg1xW7WBtl/anBgVvk7dtGOBXo QkYAnRS3QBOcwNgBvy2UiUxchPJctSBv =nlVF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-12-13 06:56]:
On 2013-06-12 12:35, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/11/2013 08:03 PM:
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+1
X'-)
Good to know I'm not alone, I felt the strange guy in the crowd ;-)
Definitely, I would be lost w/o the ability to see the boot sequence even though it flashes by faster and faster, and the ability to boot to runlevel 3/1. <jfyi> And I too see the boot messages on vt7, sometimes 8, rather than *always* on vt1 and this repositions X to the *other* vt[8,7]. But due to not being able to return to a vt# from the X session, I need to "init 5" and then issue "rcxdm restop"/"rcxmd start". That action releases vt7 for the X session, and I still have the ?graphical? background on vt1. </jfyi> -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 14:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [06-12-13 06:56]:
+1
X'-)
Good to know I'm not alone, I felt the strange guy in the crowd ;-)
Definitely, I would be lost w/o the ability to see the boot sequence even though it flashes by faster and faster, and the ability to boot to runlevel 3/1.
:-) What I miss is a summary at the end listing failed services.
<jfyi> And I too see the boot messages on vt7, sometimes 8, rather than *always* on vt1 and this repositions X to the *other* vt[8,7].
This might be cured by the "console=tty1" option I use.
But due to not being able to return to a vt# from the X session, I need to "init 5" and then issue "rcxdm restop"/"rcxmd start". That action releases vt7 for the X session, and I still have the ?graphical? background on vt1.
And this was cured in my case by removing plymouth. Other people say that just disabling does the trick.
</jfyi>
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* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-12-13 09:07]:
On 2013-06-12 14:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [06-12-13 06:56]:
+1
X'-)
Good to know I'm not alone, I felt the strange guy in the crowd ;-)
Definitely, I would be lost w/o the ability to see the boot sequence even though it flashes by faster and faster, and the ability to boot to runlevel 3/1.
:-)
What I miss is a summary at the end listing failed services.
grep FAILED /var/log/boot.log :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-12 15:20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [06-12-13 09:07]:
What I miss is a summary at the end listing failed services.
grep FAILED /var/log/boot.log
:^)
Nay :-) I want this: [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules. [FAILED] Failed to start LSB: Console mouse support. [FAILED] Failed to start Daemonized version of spamassassin. [FAILED] Failed to start Network Manager Wait Online. automatically printed at the end. I may create a service in "/etc/systemd/system/", using "After=multi-user.target", and there run your command. I have done it. We'll see if it runs next time, see if it prints or not. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG4e00ACgkQIvFNjefEBxpoiACfbMmpLGKSTIxQ9zD1jVOvsnpZ ICcAn2k2SO4rSJkQARDIi/UEi3U3SyCa =C56f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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