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LinuxIsOne

12 Dec 2011 12 Dec '11

16:17

Hi, I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Malcolm

12 Dec 12 Dec

16:22

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release? Hi No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

-- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.9-desktop up 2 days 0:54, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.10, 0.13 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 290.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

17:02

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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Malcolm wrote:

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release? Hi No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

Hi, Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

17:09

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* LinuxIsOne [12-12-11 12:04]:

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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Malcolm wrote:

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants. The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

17:40

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

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No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants.

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The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it.

Oh I see. Okay then but I just thought if it was recommended or not, but okay now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Werner Flamme

18:56

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[12.12.2011 18:40] [LinuxIsOne]:

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

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No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants.

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The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it.

Oh I see. Okay then but I just thought if it was recommended or not, but okay now.

It is recommended to use, when it meets your needs. OK now? SCNR, Werner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

13 Dec 13 Dec

05:17

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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Werner Flamme wrote:

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It is recommended to use, when it meets your needs. OK now?

Ok sure, but I am happy with 12.1. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

11:14

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On 12/12/2011 12:40 PM, LinuxIsOne wrote:

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

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No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants.

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The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it.

Oh I see. Okay then but I just thought if it was recommended or not, but okay now.

Certainly it is recommended. And no it is not recommended. There are pros and cons to both. For some jobs a small two-seat convertible sports car is recommended and a large 4 wheel drive truck is not recommended. For other jobs a large 4 wheel drive truck is recommended and a small two-seat convertible sports car is not recommended. A rolling release distro is recommended if you want the things a rolling release distro provides and don't need the things a standard distro provides. A standard distro is recommended if you want the things a standard distro provides and don't need the things a rolling release distro provides. We can't tell you what's better for you any more than we can say what type of vehicle you should buy, if any. I can say that if you want a rolling distro then you probably want Arch Linux instead of Tumbleweed because Arch actually is a rolling release and has been for a long time, while Tumbleweed is a half-baked quicky hack made mostly by one guy in a fraction of his spare time that attempts to take a thoroughly standard distro and update the packages as if it were a rolling distro. It's very young, very unsupported, very incomplete and inconsistent. If you want a standard distro, then opensuse is an ok one. If you want to be better supported by commercial software and hardware vendors, then they all target standard distros. It's possible to define all the details of a standard distro, and those details only change all at once and infrequently, and so it's possible for a 3rd party to write software and hardware drivers that actually work for a given version of that distro. If you want to be better able to support a large number of machines of your own, keeping them all the same as each other and all reasonably up to date all the time without any traditional large risky whole-os upgrades and are ok with a continuous stream of smaller less risky individual package updates, then a rolling distro does that. Those are a few of the pros & cons but I can't actually tell you which type of distro will fit your life better. Whatever you use first, probably you will think the grass is greener on the other side and end up trying both sooner or later. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

12:25

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Is openSUSE a rolling release?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

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Certainly it is recommended. And no it is not recommended. There are pros and cons to both.

For some jobs a small two-seat convertible sports car is recommended and a large 4 wheel drive truck is not recommended.

For other jobs a large 4 wheel drive truck is recommended and a small two-seat convertible sports car is not recommended.

A rolling release distro is recommended if you want the things a rolling release distro provides and don't need the things a standard distro provides.

A standard distro is recommended if you want the things a standard distro provides and don't need the things a rolling release distro provides.

We can't tell you what's better for you any more than we can say what type of vehicle you should buy, if any.

I can say that if you want a rolling distro then you probably want Arch Linux instead of Tumbleweed because Arch actually is a rolling release and has been for a long time, while Tumbleweed is a half-baked quicky hack made mostly by one guy in a fraction of his spare time that attempts to take a thoroughly standard distro and update the packages as if it were a rolling distro. It's very young, very unsupported, very incomplete and inconsistent.

If you want a standard distro, then opensuse is an ok one.

If you want to be better supported by commercial software and hardware vendors, then they all target standard distros. It's possible to define all the details of a standard distro, and those details only change all at once and infrequently, and so it's possible for a 3rd party to write software and hardware drivers that actually work for a given version of that distro.

If you want to be better able to support a large number of machines of your own, keeping them all the same as each other and all reasonably up to date all the time without any traditional large risky whole-os upgrades and are ok with a continuous stream of smaller less risky individual package updates, then a rolling distro does that.

Those are a few of the pros & cons but I can't actually tell you which type of distro will fit your life better. Whatever you use first, probably you will think the grass is greener on the other side and end up trying both sooner or later.

I am just okay with 12.1 openSUSE kde normal release, I asked thinking that if opensuse 12.1 is there or not but since it is not much more supported (tumbleweed) so it is okay to use. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:31

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Is openSUSE a rolling release?

On 12/13/2011 3:14 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 12/12/2011 12:40 PM, LinuxIsOne wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Malcolm wrote:

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I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

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No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants.

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The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it.

Oh I see. Okay then but I just thought if it was recommended or not, but okay now.

Certainly it is recommended. And no it is not recommended. There are pros and cons to both.

For some jobs a small two-seat convertible sports car is recommended and a large 4 wheel drive truck is not recommended.

For other jobs a large 4 wheel drive truck is recommended and a small two-seat convertible sports car is not recommended.

A rolling release distro is recommended if you want the things a rolling release distro provides and don't need the things a standard distro provides.

A standard distro is recommended if you want the things a standard distro provides and don't need the things a rolling release distro provides.

We can't tell you what's better for you any more than we can say what type of vehicle you should buy, if any.

I can say that if you want a rolling distro then you probably want Arch Linux instead of Tumbleweed because Arch actually is a rolling release and has been for a long time, while Tumbleweed is a half-baked quicky hack made mostly by one guy in a fraction of his spare time that attempts to take a thoroughly standard distro and update the packages as if it were a rolling distro. It's very young, very unsupported, very incomplete and inconsistent.

If you want a standard distro, then opensuse is an ok one.

If you want to be better supported by commercial software and hardware vendors, then they all target standard distros. It's possible to define all the details of a standard distro, and those details only change all at once and infrequently, and so it's possible for a 3rd party to write software and hardware drivers that actually work for a given version of that distro.

If you want to be better able to support a large number of machines of your own, keeping them all the same as each other and all reasonably up to date all the time without any traditional large risky whole-os upgrades and are ok with a continuous stream of smaller less risky individual package updates, then a rolling distro does that.

Those are a few of the pros & cons but I can't actually tell you which type of distro will fit your life better. Whatever you use first, probably you will think the grass is greener on the other side and end up trying both sooner or later.

Ok, people, that's quite enough. You've all demonstrated just how clever you are at not answering the question. Now go outside and play with your toys like good little boys and stop thumping your chests. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:35

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You've all demonstrated just how clever you are at not answering the question.

I see the question has been perfectly answered. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7n0yQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WUAACaA6ytXKaIl92OuyC/t76sCA5S MfEAnROzYXkSnNx4MxEiNm/LAZHKPLIW =yid1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

23:53

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On 12/13/2011 3:31 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 12/13/2011 3:14 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 12/12/2011 12:40 PM, LinuxIsOne wrote:

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> I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a > rolling release?

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No, but tumbleweed is, have a look here: http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed

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Oh I see, I just read that, does it neccessarily mean that Rolling Releases are good to have?

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No, it does not. It is good or bad contingent on *your* particular needs and wants.

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The question is quite similar to whether it is better to have a four door automobile vs a two door automobile. Better is as *you* see it.

Oh I see. Okay then but I just thought if it was recommended or not, but okay now.

Certainly it is recommended. And no it is not recommended. There are pros and cons to both.

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Those are a few of the pros& cons

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Ok, people, that's quite enough.

You've all demonstrated just how clever you are at not answering the question. Now go outside and play with your toys like good little boys and stop thumping your chests.

No. Go tell someone else what to do. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

14 Dec 14 Dec

06:43

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Is openSUSE a rolling release?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Brian K. White wrote:

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Certainly it is recommended. And no it is not recommended. There are pros and cons to both.

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For some jobs a small two-seat convertible sports car is recommended and a large 4 wheel drive truck is not recommended.

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For other jobs a large 4 wheel drive truck is recommended and a small two-seat convertible sports car is not recommended.

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A rolling release distro is recommended if you want the things a rolling release distro provides and don't need the things a standard distro provides.

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A standard distro is recommended if you want the things a standard distro provides and don't need the things a rolling release distro provides.

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We can't tell you what's better for you any more than we can say what type of vehicle you should buy, if any.

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I can say that if you want a rolling distro then you probably want Arch Linux instead of Tumbleweed because Arch actually is a rolling release and has been for a long time, while Tumbleweed is a half-baked quicky hack made mostly by one guy in a fraction of his spare time that attempts to take a thoroughly standard distro and update the packages as if it were a rolling distro. It's very young, very unsupported, very incomplete and inconsistent.

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If you want a standard distro, then opensuse is an ok one.

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If you want to be better supported by commercial software and hardware vendors, then they all target standard distros. It's possible to define all the details of a standard distro, and those details only change all at once and infrequently, and so it's possible for a 3rd party to write software and hardware drivers that actually work for a given version of that distro.

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If you want to be better able to support a large number of machines of your own, keeping them all the same as each other and all reasonably up to date all the time without any traditional large risky whole-os upgrades and are ok with a continuous stream of smaller less risky individual package updates, then a rolling distro does that.

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Those are a few of the pros & cons but I can't actually tell you which type of distro will fit your life better. Whatever you use first, probably you will think the grass is greener on the other side and end up trying both sooner or later.

Oh yes, I get the idea, ty Brain. In fact, I am okay with the non-rolling suse of 12.1...It is better as I read all these posts. In fact, there is no such absolute requirement. But earlier I used to think that having a rolling release is always good unlike the truth that it all _depends_. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

13 Dec 13 Dec

23:41

On Monday, December 12, 2011 11:17:52 AM LinuxIsOne wrote:

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Hi,

I read that Rolling Release means which is upto date. IS openSUSE a rolling release? -- We have a rolling release called Tumbleweed. It is not advised for the less experienced or adventurous. Though the software that makes it in to Tumbleweed is considered stable, it is still less tested than the main distro and thus you may still run into serious work disrupting bugs. PLus, the frequent updates can break proprietary drivers such as nVidia and ATI drivers. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Riverside, California ***Looking for C++ Mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:53

* Roger Luedecke [12-13-11 18:43]:

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We have a rolling release called Tumbleweed. It is not advised for the less experienced or adventurous. Though the software that makes it in to Tumbleweed is considered stable, it is still less tested than the main distro and thus you may still run into serious work disrupting bugs. PLus, the frequent updates can break proprietary drivers such as nVidia and ATI drivers.

"frequent updates" do *not* break the nVidia drivers; cannot speak for ATI as I purposely have NVidia. To my experience, *only* kernel updates cause NVidia ?breakage? as they require reinstallation of the NVidia driver. It does ?break? when the kernel is updated and not the driver. I also find very *little* problem with the tumbleweed packages and those problems have been quickly addressed. Thanks Greg Kroah-Hartman. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

15 Dec 15 Dec

21:04

On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 06:53:09 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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We have a rolling release called Tumbleweed. It is not advised for the less experienced or adventurous. Though the software that makes it in to Tumbleweed is considered stable, it is still less tested than the main distro and thus you may still run into serious work disrupting bugs. PLus, the frequent updates can break proprietary drivers such as nVidia and ATI drivers. "frequent updates" do *not* break the nVidia drivers; cannot speak for ATI as I purposely have NVidia. To my experience, *only* kernel updates cause NVidia ?breakage? as they require reinstallation of the NVidia driver. It does ?break? when the kernel is updated and not the driver.

I also find very *little* problem with the tumbleweed packages and those problems have been quickly addressed. Thanks Greg Kroah-Hartman. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org You are exactly correct. But those issues are a huge pain to a very new user, and thus the experience when that kernel update happens is that their OS is now "broken." That is essentially my point; I didn't see precision to be necessary here. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Riverside, California ***Looking for C++ Mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

16 Dec 16 Dec

07:04

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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You are exactly correct. But those issues are a huge pain to a very new user, and thus the experience when that kernel update happens is that their OS is now "broken." That is essentially my point; I didn't see precision to be necessary here.

Would an upgrade can cause anything (means harm like being broken sys.) when doing even when I have a separate /home? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

11:59

* LinuxIsOne [12-16-11 02:08]:

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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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You are exactly correct. But those issues are a huge pain to a very new user, and thus the experience when that kernel update happens is that their OS is now "broken." That is essentially my point; I didn't see precision to be necessary here.

Would an upgrade can cause anything (means harm like being broken sys.) when doing even when I have a separate /home?

And upgrade *always* has the possibility of doing harm/breaqking things. The *unexpected* is always possible. This is the reason for testing. All possibilities cannot be tested, there are too many, so there may be breakage. But, breakage is not expected or is documented with work-a-rounds or upcoming correction (normally). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

12:40

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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And upgrade *always* has the possibility of doing harm/breaqking things. The *unexpected* is always possible. This is the reason for testing. All possibilities cannot be tested, there are too many, so there may be breakage.

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But, breakage is not expected or is documented with work-a-rounds or upcoming correction (normally).

Okk, I see. Then, I have to do this experimentation box where I don't have to do office work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

14:30

* LinuxIsOne [12-16-11 07:41]:

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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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And upgrade *always* has the possibility of doing harm/breaqking things. The *unexpected* is always possible. This is the reason for testing. All possibilities cannot be tested, there are too many, so there may be breakage.

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But, breakage is not expected or is documented with work-a-rounds or upcoming correction (normally).

Okk, I see. Then, I have to do this experimentation box where I don't have to do office work.

It's not like jumping off a cliff, but there are *possilbly* hazzards. I upgraded my home system as a test via "zypper -v dup ..." but I would not do that to a *production* system w/o having first tried on very similar system. If I break my home machine, I normally have a contingency plan and my server has mail and web, ... The desktop accesses required data on the server, mail, financial records, other data. If the desktop is scrambled, I can just reinstall and have not really lost anything but my (valuable) time. Only you can determine whether you can stand the risk to a system you control. If you cannot stand any downtime on your "office" machine, perhaps you should upgrade another machine and then replace your "office" machine with it while you do that upgrade. Or maybe your upgrade will complete w/o problem and ..... Lots of maybessssss -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

LinuxIsOne

15:11

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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It's not like jumping off a cliff, but there are *possilbly* hazzards. I upgraded my home system as a test via "zypper -v dup ..." but I would not do that to a *production* system w/o having first tried on very similar system. If I break my home machine, I normally have a contingency plan and my server has mail and web, ... The desktop accesses required data on the server, mail, financial records, other data. If the desktop is scrambled, I can just reinstall and have not really lost anything but my (valuable) time.

Correct, but doing this on a separate machine is according to me, also, is a better choice, or rather I would reinstall fully since neither I am the admin (in computers) nor a computer guy but using openSUSE (whenever we have to do work with computers, almost daily emailing and documentations) is really better than MS, so it would not matter for us if we reinstall in some 2-3 machines right from the first step, however, this is the worst case when even after going through all docs and doing up-gradation in the correct recommended way also play any hazard(s) (if).

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Only you can determine whether you can stand the risk to a system you control. If you cannot stand any downtime on your "office" machine, perhaps you should upgrade another machine and then replace your "office" machine with it while you do that upgrade.

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Or maybe your upgrade will complete w/o problem and .....

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Lots of maybessssss

yes and this should be to the every user of linux since up-gradations may be hazards sometimes, but certainly those times could not be decided by one..., random, of course. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Michael S. Dunsavage

17 Dec 17 Dec

04:30

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yes and this should be to the every user of linux since up-gradations may be hazards sometimes, but certainly those times could not be decided by one..., random, of course.

Thanks. Tyro,

I think you should stick with just the basic normal distribution method to get your feet wet and learn your way around. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

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You are exactly correct. But those issues are a huge pain to a very new user, and thus the experience when that kernel update happens is that their OS is now "broken." That is essentially my point; I didn't see precision to be necessary here.

Would an upgrade can cause anything (means harm like being broken sys.) when doing even when I have a separate /home?

Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org Having a seperate /home guarantees that if you wind up having to reinstall, your personal data like music won't be lost. It will also save settings like

On Friday, December 16, 2011 12:34:58 PM LinuxIsOne wrote: the desktop font, firefox bookmarks... that sort of thing. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Riverside, California ***Looking for C++ Mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Having a seperate /home guarantees that if you wind up having to reinstall, your personal data like music won't be lost. It will also save settings like the desktop font, firefox bookmarks... that sort of thing.

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