->With all due respect, the nvidia drivers in the Linux world are the ->best you can get whether they are or are not open source. ->> ->> I have an nvidia card, and I don't like it. To be precise, I don't like ->> that the driver is closed source. Too many problems :-( ->> Let's see. I had Diamond nVidia cards until about a year ago. I had a 330, 550 and 770. They ALL worked fine. I was told that ATI worked really well with the Linux community on specs so when I upgraded my 32M TNT2 Viper 770 I went for an ATI Radeon 7500. Not soon after this ATI joined nVidia in the propriatary driver world so my reason for not buying another nVidia card went down the crapper. Now it doesn't matter and from what I've read the nVidia drivers work better and preform better then ATI's binary only drivers. I just asked if the card I posted was a good card or not and if someone had experience with one. I don't want to start a debate about closed drivers vs. open drivers. I don't actually care about that anymore. I care aboutr having a nice card with working drivers. I never had any issues with the nVidia drivers really. I *always* got them working with little or no issues. So..anyone have one of the cards I posted? or Could someone recommend a good card for under $150.00? ;) Thanks. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.

Anders Johansson [2003-05-13 16:52]:

Im running an MX 440 and it works well. Im told its basically a juiced up geforce2, so youre not getting a full gf4 with it, but its a nice card nonetheless.

Can you run 1600x1200 with the nVidia driver? nv will. -rex

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [030513 17:01]: ->On Wednesday 14 May 2003 01:57, rex wrote: ->> Can you run 1600x1200 with the nVidia driver? nv will. -> ->I've been running 1600x1200 with full acceleration on this card for over a ->year, and on a geforce 2 before that. Well, I've got a Viewsonic 19' VX900 flat panel. It won't do over 1280x1024. So I think the Geforce4 MX440 covers that. Now doesn't anyone know if I should get PNY, Asus..etc..etc as far as the maker of the card? As I said the last nVidia based card I got was a Diamond..and I liked their cards until they went S3 then died. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 19:06, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [030513 17:01]: ->On Wednesday 14 May 2003 01:57, rex wrote: ->> Can you run 1600x1200 with the nVidia driver? nv will. -> ->I've been running 1600x1200 with full acceleration on this card for over a ->year, and on a geforce 2 before that.

Well, I've got a Viewsonic 19' VX900 flat panel. It won't do over 1280x1024. So I think the Geforce4 MX440 covers that. Now doesn't anyone know if I should get PNY, Asus..etc..etc as far as the maker of the card? As I said the last nVidia based card I got was a Diamond..and I liked their cards until they went S3 then died.

-- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org

Hey Ben, I'd read either in here or in the linux NG, that someone was using a Ti 4200 that was working without problems, and it was either Tiger Direct or on Pricewatch.com I think it was only about $100. This was the PNY brand I saw for that price too, and I'm gonna try to get it. As for brands? i don't know...I've got a Hercules Prophet2 mx 400 running perfectly on this system from 7.3 up to 8.2 (skipped 8.1), so as long as it's nVidia based, I don't think it'll matter. John - -- A butterfly is: Pretty,soft,harmless...and useless, just like M$N. My Penguin eats butterflies. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+wdU1H5oDXyLKXKQRAsbPAJwMkdoUV8z+MH2u6dNdYrjY7HxEiwCgjm1d nR4dN6zs3tGcJTN5M88gIeM= =1z7o -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

The 03.05.13 at 16:29, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

I just asked if the card I posted was a good card or not and if someone had experience with one. I don't want to start a debate about closed drivers vs. open drivers. I don't actually care about that anymore. I

Sorry; me neither O:-) I just stated my opinion, and my reasoning. I didn't intend to "fire" a debate on "open vs closed". I should have known better, I guess :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Tuesday 13 May 2003 16:29, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

->With all due respect, the nvidia drivers in the Linux world are the ->best you can get whether they are or are not open source. ->> ->> I have an nvidia card, and I don't like it. To be precise, I don't like ->> that the driver is closed source. Too many problems :-( ->>

Let's see. I had Diamond nVidia cards until about a year ago. I had a 330, 550 and 770. They ALL worked fine. I was told that ATI worked really well with the Linux community on specs so when I upgraded my 32M TNT2 Viper 770 I went for an ATI Radeon 7500. Not soon after this ATI joined nVidia in the propriatary driver world so my reason for not buying another nVidia card went down the crapper. Now it doesn't matter and from what I've read the nVidia drivers work better and preform better then ATI's binary only drivers.

I just asked if the card I posted was a good card or not and if someone had experience with one. I don't want to start a debate about closed drivers vs. open drivers. I don't actually care about that anymore. I care aboutr having a nice card with working drivers. I never had any issues with the nVidia drivers really. I *always* got them working with little or no issues.

So..anyone have one of the cards I posted? or Could someone recommend a good card for under $150.00? ;)

GeForce2 = nv15, GeForce4-MX440 = nv17, GeForce3 = nv20, and so on. The difference is some of the engine tweaks. I had one when it first came out and returned it when I realized that it wasn't a true GF4 engine in it, but by all means this isn't a bad card in the least. I pick up a GF3 instead and as very satisfied. If your had the 330/550/770 tnt series this card will literally blow it out of the water. I personally got a GF3-ti200 and it's great. Since the FX series is out expect price drops on everything under it - that's when I bought mine (with the release of the GF4). Also the FX low end cards are comparitivly cheap as well (nvidia now mocks the ati version conventsion 5300, 5400, 55, 6,7.... bleh). Figure on this, the GF4-mx440 is a decent low to mid level card (how it compares to a ati 7500 I don't know - I suspect its better, but could be wrong). But, with the FX out you could probably find a cheap and very nice GF3-ti series board. Like I said I have the ti-200, but the ti-400 has a little better kick and some fairly nice extras in the shader, etc, and the engine pump/pipelines. HTH, Curtis.

* Nick Zentena (Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:07:11AM -0400)

On May 13, 2003 10:28 pm, Curtis Rey wrote:

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Figure on this, the GF4-mx440 is a decent low to mid level card (how it compares to a ati 7500 I don't know - I suspect its better, but could be

What's the quality of the text? I'm not really worried about speed ratings but the quality of the image matters. How would it compare to the better Matrox or ATI cards?

Even the old NVidia cards (geforce 2) had pretty good display quality. Matrox is obviously better, but the differences are marginal. Given that I spend about 8 - 10 hours a day staring at a geforce card, I should know (well a dsiplay hooked up to ... ) Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone :+31-10.280.1515 Global IT Support manager Direct:+31-10.280.1539 Jason Geosystems BV Fax :+31-10.280.1511 (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1) gdenhollander@jasongeo.com POBox 1573 visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com 3000 BN Rotterdam JASON.......#1 in Reservoir Characterization The Netherlands This e-mail and any attachment is/are intended solely for the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, we request that you do not disseminate, forward, distribute or copy this e-mail message. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the original message.

* Gerhard den Hollander (gerhard@jasongeo.com) [030513 23:38]: ->* Ben Rosenberg (Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:29:10PM -0700) -> ->> So..anyone have one of the cards I posted? or Could someone recommend a ->> good card for under $150.00? ;) -> ->The Geforce 4 MX ddd (where ddd is some number) is the low-end of the ->Geforce 4 series. at < $100 it's a good buy. -> ->It's not Nvidias top performer, and you won;t be able to play doom III in ->1600x1200 mode with it, but it should do quake and UT2003 just fine ->(and tux racer 1.0 will just voom ;) ) -> Thanks for the info above. I take into account when I purchase a new card. Although it doesn't matter what card I get. As I said in an earlier email. I have the Viewsonic VX900 flatpanel display. It only does a max of 1280x1024...so most cards should be fine...besides I'm old and I don't need things that small. ;) Cheers! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.

Jim Norton [2003-05-13 16:52]:

With all due respect, the nvidia drivers in the Linux world are the best you can get whether they are or are not open source.

They didn't support 1600x1200 before, which is a showstopper for me. Do they now (nv does). -rex

The 03.05.13 at 16:21, Jim Norton wrote:

With all due respect, the nvidia drivers in the Linux world are the best you can get whether they are or are not open source.

When they work... mine doesn't. Just review the many problems posted on this list. That means that next time I buy, I'll try hard not to buy nvidia. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson