Hope this is the right place to ask questions! I've come to OpenSuse Thunderbird after losing my PCLOS computer to some kind of glitch, and I don't like the latest version that PCLOS is putting out now--a lot of apps that I have used on a regular basis are gone, along with a lot of libs that I would need to get the apps back, but the libs are not available. I wanted to stay with an rpm system to have at least something familiar, but I'm running into some real questions that I can't answer. 1: Where is the equivalent of the Synaptic Package Manager? There must be a list of everything available on the repo, and from which any one or more can be downloaded and installed. I want to put an icon on the desktop that will lead me to that, whatever it is called in this OS. 2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE, but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install a long string of instructions to install a printer? If so, where should the printer info (ppd from the manufacturer) be stored? (I have the instructions to install printers in PCLOS--- in a typed-in instruction, and are they going to work? I will change the source file for the ppd as required here.) I'm sure that there will be other things that come up. I hope this is the right place to ask them, and I thank any and all who come to my rescue! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Doug McGarrett composed on 2019-05-30 21:17 (UTC-0400):
I hope this is the right place to ask them, and I thank any and all who come to my rescue!
Officially it's the wrong place. Historically it's the right place. Few will complain when people use it instead of opensuse-support. More will either complain about a subject line that doesn't describe a problem, or ignore the post. YaST (Yet Another Setup Tool) might already be on your toolbar/panel, depending on which DE(s) you selected at installation time. It will be in your menu regardless whether you find it on desktop or toolbar. It manages repos, software and printers, among many other things. Which openSUSE version, and which DE are you using? Thunderbird is only mailnews. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/30/2019 11:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Officially it's the wrong place. Historically it's the right place. Few will complain when people use it instead of opensuse-support. More will either complain about a subject line that doesn't describe a problem, or ignore the post.
I don't see how opensuse-support would be the right place for this question, but then again with rabbit-pellet list fragmentation -- who knows anymore... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/30/2019 08:17 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hope this is the right place to ask questions! I've come to OpenSuse Thunderbird after losing my PCLOS computer to some kind of glitch, and I don't like the latest version
Just note openSuSE and Thunderbird are not related. Thunderbird, the mail app from Mozilla, will run on any Linux distro, windoze and OSX (and others)
that PCLOS is putting out now--a lot of apps that I have used on a regular basis are gone, along with a lot of libs that I would need to get the apps back, but the libs are
not available. I wanted to stay with an rpm system to have at least something familiar, but I'm running into some real questions that I can't answer.
You have made a good choice, and all the libraries are available. In fact I would be truly surprised in PCLOS provided libraries that openSuSE doesn't.
1: Where is the equivalent of the Synaptic Package Manager? There must be a list of everything available on the repo, and from which any one or more can be downloaded
and installed. I want to put an icon on the desktop that will lead me to that, whatever it is called in this OS.
With openSuSE, you have YaST (Yet another SetUp Tool) that is your main configuration tool. Within it, you have "Software Management" that allows you to install/uninstall/update the rpms installed on your computer. You also have 'zypper' that is a command line interface for just about everything repository or install/uninstall/update of rpms. Then you have rpm itself, which is capable of doing the same (zypper is just a nice front-end that makes using rpm a bit easier)
2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE, but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install
a long string of instructions to install a printer? If so, where should the printer info (ppd from the manufacturer) be stored? (I have the instructions to install printers in PCLOS---
In YaST under "Hardware" you have the "Printer" configuration application that can let you add/manage printers system-wide -- BUT, most desktop, through CUPS, provide printer recognition and configuration. If you have installed CUPS (which should be installed automatically) most printers should be plug-and-play (even network or smb printers)
in a typed-in instruction, and are they going to work? I will change the source file for the ppd as required here.)
openSuSE offers a number of different ppd collections (postscript or PCL) in the OpenPrintingPPD package or the manufacturers-ppd package (and many more like foomatic in the printing repository)
I'm sure that there will be other things that come up. I hope this is the right place to ask them, and I thank any and all who come to my rescue!
openSuSE would be a great move from PCLOS. All Linux distros are Linux under the hood, the only difference being the tools you use to interface with the actual config files, and the init system used, either init or systemd, etc.. In other words, there isn't that much difference in "what is Linux" between any of the distros, so moving one to the other is just a matter of learning the different tools used (and if you take the time to learn how to set things up by hand, without a YaST or Synaptic Package Manager, etc.. then moving from distro to distro is just a matter of installing the next one... This list is here to help. So put in the install DVD or NET-Install cd (or usb stick) and install openSuSE. Only not is by default openSuSE will use btrfs as the default filesystem. If you are in any way limited on storage space, or if you want a more traditional install, you can choose ext4 as the filesystem type when you get to the partitioner part of the install routine. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/05/2019 03.17, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hope this is the right place to ask questions! I've come to OpenSuse Thunderbird after losing my PCLOS computer to some kind of glitch, and I don't like the latest version
No such thing as "OpenSuse Thunderbird". There is "openSUSE" Linux, and there is "Thunderbird" in openSUSE Linux, and in Debian Linux, and in Windows 10, and in... Well, not in Android.
that PCLOS is putting out now--a lot of apps that I have used on a regular basis are gone, along with a lot of libs that I would need to get the apps back, but the libs are
not available. I wanted to stay with an rpm system to have at least something familiar, but I'm running into some real questions that I can't answer.
1: Where is the equivalent of the Synaptic Package Manager? There must be a list of everything available on the repo, and from which any one or more can be downloaded
You don't need it. First things first: what openSUSE release have you installed, and how? There is Leap 42.3 Leap 15.0 and Leap 15.1, and Tumbleweed. Second: What desktop have you installed? There is Plasma (aka KDE), there is Gnome, there is XFCE, and a few others that I forget their names. Each one will manage your mouse correctly for you. In the case of gnome, there is one "gsynaptics". Or are you, by any chance, deity forbid, trying to install openSUSE packages over PCLOSS? No help that road, as nobody has done that before.
2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE, but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install
Just start up YaST, which will ask for the *root* password, and then follow your nose to the printer module :-)
a long string of instructions to install a printer? If so, where should the printer info (ppd from the manufacturer) be stored? (I have the instructions to install printers in PCLOS---
Puagh. You don't have to do any such thing. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-31-19 02:59]:
On 31/05/2019 03.17, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hope this is the right place to ask questions! I've come to OpenSuse Thunderbird after losing my PCLOS computer to some kind of glitch, and I don't like the latest version
No such thing as "OpenSuse Thunderbird". There is "openSUSE" Linux, and there is "Thunderbird" in openSUSE Linux, and in Debian Linux, and in Windows 10, and in... Well, not in Android.
more likely, openSUSE Tumbleweed. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/31/19 2:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hope this is the right place to ask questions! I've come to OpenSuse Thunderbird after losing my PCLOS computer to some kind of glitch, and I don't like the latest version No such thing as "OpenSuse Thunderbird". There is "openSUSE" Linux, and
On 31/05/2019 03.17, Doug McGarrett wrote: there is "Thunderbird" in openSUSE Linux, and in Debian Linux, and in Windows 10, and in... Well, not in Android. Should have said Tumbleweed.
that PCLOS is putting out now--a lot of apps that I have used on a regular basis are gone, along with a lot of libs that I would need to get the apps back, but the libs are
not available. I wanted to stay with an rpm system to have at least something familiar, but I'm running into some real questions that I can't answer.
1: Where is the equivalent of the Synaptic Package Manager? There must be a list of everything available on the repo, and from which any one or more can be downloaded You don't need it.
First things first: what openSUSE release have you installed, and how? There is Leap 42.3 Leap 15.0 and Leap 15.1, and Tumbleweed.
The Tumbleweed version was downloaded 19 May 2019. I don't know what that version would be called. The desktop is KDE, and I have followed the instructions to make the applications selection look like the ancient Windows or the older PCLOS.
Second: What desktop have you installed? There is Plasma (aka KDE), there is Gnome, there is XFCE, and a few others that I forget their names.
Each one will manage your mouse correctly for you. In the case of gnome, there is one "gsynaptics".
Or are you, by any chance, deity forbid, trying to install openSUSE packages over PCLOSS? No help that road, as nobody has done that before.
I shrank the Windows partitions and created two blank data partitions and one swap, then installed Tumbleweed and let it select where to put things. I suspect that it used the larger partition for the boot / and the smaller for data, which seems the wrong way , but for now I'm leaving things the way they are. Using Thunderbird email program, and it automatically double-spaces everything.
2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE,
but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install Just start up YaST, which will ask for the *root* password, and then follow your nose to the printer module :-)
Did that, but I'm over my head. The connection is the network connection, an RJ45 port on the computer that goes to the router, and all the printers (3) are connected to the router. I told YAST that one of the printers is an Epson WP4530, and it brought up a list of Epson printers, but the WP4530 is not on it, and apparently it can't find the Epson, which is my usual color printer and scanner. I haven't tried the two HPs--the usual letter-size LaserJet Pro, M201dw, the other an 11" x 17" color printer and scanner, HP OfficeJet Pro, 7740. I would not use the 7740 for general work, it's only for the B-size output. Obviously the network is functioning, since I can email over it and use Firefox, etc. YAST offers several connections, but I don't know which one is the RJ45. When I try to probe for the printers, it finds nothing, and I see a message that there is no print queue. I will have to find a way to make Thunderbird quit double-spacing! I could not make any headway with KPrint at all, that's why thunderbird, which I don't particularly care for. (Don't know if I'd prefer KPrint, since I can't install it.) Sorry that I'm such a dunce, but I'm snowed here! Thanx for your time and effort! --doug
a long string of instructions to install a printer? If so, where should the printer info (ppd from the manufacturer) be stored? (I have the instructions to install printers in PCLOS--- Puagh. You don't have to do any such thing.
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On 5/31/19 10:27 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
... The Tumbleweed version was downloaded 19 May 2019. I don't know what
that version would be called. The desktop is KDE, and I have followed the
instructions to make the applications selection look like the ancient Windows
or the older PCLOS.
Since opensuse is new to you IMO you will probably be better off with Leap, unless there is a newer version of something that is in TW but not Leap. TW is a rolling release and requires more hands-on than does Leap. If you choose to reinstall with Leap, be sure to start fresh.
I shrank the Windows partitions and created two blank data partitions and
one swap, then installed Tumbleweed and let it select where to put things.
I suspect that it used the larger partition for the boot / and the smaller for
data, which seems the wrong way , but for now I'm leaving things the way they
are. Using Thunderbird email program, and it automatically double-spaces everything.
By "data" do you mean /home? Is /home on a separate partition, or is it with root ("/") on its partition? Thunderbird is of course a Mozilla app, not controlled by opensuse. Check the TBird composition settings under Preferences, Account Settings, and Format. (I am composing this in TBird, single spaced, so you have an ap config issue.)
2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE,
but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install Just start up YaST, which will ask for the *root* password, and then follow your nose to the printer module :-)
Did that, but I'm over my head. The connection is the network connection,
an RJ45 port on the computer that goes to the router, and all the printers (3)
are connected to the router. I told YAST that one of the printers is an Epson
WP4530, and it brought up a list of Epson printers, but the WP4530 is not on it,
and apparently it can't find the Epson, which is my usual color printer and scanner.
I haven't tried the two HPs--the usual letter-size LaserJet Pro, M201dw, the other
an 11" x 17" color printer and scanner, HP OfficeJet Pro, 7740. I would not use the
7740 for general work, it's only for the B-size output. Obviously the network is
functioning, since I can email over it and use Firefox, etc.
YAST offers several connections, but I don't know which one is the RJ45.
When I try to probe for the printers, it finds nothing, and I see a message that
there is no print queue.
I will have to find a way to make Thunderbird quit double-spacing! I could not
make any headway with KPrint at all, that's why thunderbird, which I don't particularly care
for. (Don't know if I'd prefer KPrint, since I can't install it.)
Sorry that I'm such a dunce, but I'm snowed here!
Thanx for your time and effort!
--doug
Sometimes it takes some searching and experimenting to nail down the printer. The openprinting.org site is terrific for locating print drivers/info, it indicates that the WP-4530 driver is epson-201113w. Check to see if YaST recognizes that, but I suspect you may need to install the epson-inkjet-printer-escpr package first. The Epson site indicates your printer is supported under Linux, and it has an .rpm you can download/install but it is much better to get it through YaST. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* DennisG <dwgallien@gmail.com> [05-31-19 14:33]:
On 5/31/19 10:27 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
... The Tumbleweed version was downloaded 19 May 2019. I don't know what
that version would be called. The desktop is KDE, and I have followed the
instructions to make the applications selection look like the ancient Windows
or the older PCLOS.
Since opensuse is new to you IMO you will probably be better off with Leap, unless there is a newer version of something that is in TW but not Leap. TW is a rolling release and requires more hands-on than does Leap. If you choose to reinstall with Leap, be sure to start fresh.
it is not *new* to doug, he ran openSUSE, SuSE for quite a while. but probably 10 or so years ago. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 1/6/19 4:32 am, DennisG wrote:
On 5/31/19 10:27 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
... The Tumbleweed version was downloaded 19 May 2019. I don't know what
that version would be called. The desktop is KDE, and I have followed the
instructions to make the applications selection look like the ancient Windows
or the older PCLOS.
Since opensuse is new to you
OpenSUSE is not new to Doug -- he was using openSUSE some years ago. <pruned> BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching television by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/05/2019 16.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/31/19 2:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
First things first: what openSUSE release have you installed, and how? There is Leap 42.3 Leap 15.0 and Leap 15.1, and Tumbleweed.
The Tumbleweed version was downloaded 19 May 2019. I don't know what that version would be called. The desktop is KDE, and I have followed the instructions to make the applications selection look like the ancient Windows or the older PCLOS.
Ok. In my opinion, Tumbleweed is not the best release for you. It needs more work. It is the newest, where things first appear, where errors first appear as well. You then have to investigate why something doesn't work as expected. In my opinion, you should be using Leap 15.1. Depends on your expectations, but you are probably in time to change it.
Second: What desktop have you installed? There is Plasma (aka KDE), there is Gnome, there is XFCE, and a few others that I forget their names.
Each one will manage your mouse correctly for you. In the case of gnome, there is one "gsynaptics".
Or are you, by any chance, deity forbid, trying to install openSUSE packages over PCLOSS? No help that road, as nobody has done that before.
I shrank the Windows partitions and created two blank data partitions and one swap, then installed Tumbleweed and let it select where to put things. I suspect that it used the larger partition for the boot / and the smaller for data, which seems the wrong way , but for now I'm leaving things the way they are.
Ok, please open a terminal (konsole), and type: df -h paste the result here. That will tell us what partitions you have and their sizes, better than a description :-)
Using Thunderbird email program, and it automatically double-spaces everything.
I can see that! I wondered why you were doing that. So old Th does that? I have no idea why. here: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUJyZEmD_vE> It is a video, gosh. But short. Don't thank me, I googled "thunderbird double line spacing" :-D There are texts in the search that give the same info. <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1120795> Explains why. News to me.
2. Why can't I install any printers? I have provided my password TWICE,
but then it comes up forbidden? If I open CUPS and provide a password, will I have to install Just start up YaST, which will ask for the *root* password, and then follow your nose to the printer module :-)
Did that, but I'm over my head. The connection is the network connection, an RJ45 port on the computer that goes to the router, and all the printers (3) are connected to the router. I told YAST that one of the printers is an Epson WP4530, and it brought up a list of Epson printers, but the WP4530 is not on it, and apparently it can't find the Epson, which is my usual color printer and scanner.
Ah, a networked computer. Often you have to tell the wizard the IP of the printer as it often fails to find them.
I haven't tried the two HPs--the usual letter-size LaserJet Pro, M201dw, the other an 11" x 17" color printer and scanner, HP OfficeJet Pro, 7740. I would not use the 7740 for general work, it's only for the B-size output. Obviously the network is functioning, since I can email over it and use Firefox, etc. YAST offers several connections, but I don't know which one is the RJ45.
ip addr in a terminal will tell what connections you have. Or you mean while searching for a printer? It can be confusing. Wait, a book: <https://doc.opensuse.org/> Choose the one you like. Chapter 8 <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/cha.print.html> Go directly to 8.4 <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book.opensuse.startup/cha.print.html#sec.print.net> 8.4 Network Printers It will probably be "socket". At least HPs are there.
When I try to probe for the printers, it finds nothing, and I see a message that there is no print queue.
Yeah, just tell it the IP manually. There is, however, a long delay till it searches first and then you can type the address.
I will have to find a way to make Thunderbird quit double-spacing! I could not make any headway with KPrint at all, that's why thunderbird, which I don't particularly care for. (Don't know if I'd prefer KPrint, since I can't install it.)
Wait, Thunderbird just does email, and KPrint handles the printer. They are not related. Do I miss something? :-?
Sorry that I'm such a dunce, but I'm snowed here!
Don't worry. Just be patient, replies can take some hours to come ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 31/05/2019 21.04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did that, but I'm over my head. The connection is the network connection, an RJ45 port on the computer that goes to the router, and all the printers (3) are connected to the router. I told YAST that one of the printers is an Epson WP4530, and it brought up a list of Epson printers, but the WP4530 is not on it, and apparently it can't find the Epson, which is my usual color printer and scanner.
Epson WP4530, <http://www.openprinting.org/printers> Epson, show all. Grep WP4530 --- Ooops, not found. It is WP-4530 <http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-WP-4530> I suspects it will work fine, no need to install things from outside. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
The answer to most of your question is something that is specific to openSUSE: YaST. It may be idiosyncratic in places but it is amazingly comprehensive. As far as SUSE goes it is truly a differentiator. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/31/19 7:51 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
The answer to most of your question is something that is specific to openSUSE:
YaST.
It may be idiosyncratic in places but it is amazingly comprehensive. As far as SUSE goes it is truly a differentiator.
I can see that it tries to be very comprehensive, but some of its nomenclature is not clear to me. For instance, it specifies three kinds of connections for the printer(s), but none of them is LAN. Also, if that gets cleared up for me, it will surely need a ppd for the Epson printer/scanner. I can download that--where should I put it, and will YAST know to look there? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/05/2019 17.03, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/31/19 7:51 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
The answer to most of your question is something that is specific to openSUSE:
YaST.
It may be idiosyncratic in places but it is amazingly comprehensive. As far as SUSE goes it is truly a differentiator.
I can see that it tries to be very comprehensive, but some of its nomenclature is
not clear to me. For instance, it specifies three kinds of connections for the printer(s),
but none of them is LAN.
See my recent post, it explains them.
Also, if that gets cleared up for me, it will surely need a ppd for the Epson printer/scanner.
We'll see that later :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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