Michael Lankton wrote:

2.8.0 has been out for quite some time. Are there issues with the new gcc's that prompted the maintainers of SuSE to stick with 2.7.2.1?

Look at -> <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/why-not-52.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/why-not-52.html</A">http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/why-not-52.html</A</A>> [...] GCC 2.8.x We plan the update only for S.u.S.E. Linux 6.0. Moreover GCC 2.8.x is unable to compile the Linux kernel correctly. Probably egcs 1.1.x will become the standard compiler of S.u.S.E. Linux 6.0 instead of gcc 2.8.x . [...] Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

I have a S.u.S.E. Mousepad. But what in the world does it look like? What's the motive?

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It's one of our CD covers, I think the on of the 5.0. It's some kind of Enriques surface, but please don't ask me about details, the formula to compute this image it pretty complicated... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Hi, On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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It's one of our CD covers, I think the on of the 5.0. It's some kind of Enriques surface, but please don't ask me about details, the formula to compute this image it pretty complicated...

But perhaps you could tell me what an Enriques surface is?

It is a special family of algebraic surfaces studied by Federigo Enriques. A simple algebraic surface for example are all points that satisfy the equation x²+y²+z²-1=0, which is a sphere with radius 1 and center at origin. Enriques surfaces are something "similar", but the formula is somewhat more complex ;-) In fact, you cannot see an Enriques surface itself, but only some model of it. You can find details in the preface of our handbook if you are interested. It is nontrivial to compute these surfaces. The program that computes the surfaces is on the CD. It's called "surf". Hubert PS: Have a look at <A HREF="http://www.mi.uni-erlangen.de/~endrass/en/page.html"><A HREF="http://www.mi.uni-erlangen.de/~endrass/en/page.html</A">http://www.mi.uni-erlangen.de/~endrass/en/page.html</A</A>> Stephan Endrass, a good friend of mine, is the author of "surf". There are very beautiful pictures on this site (go to the "parameter map"). Also, the animation is worth watching. PPS: Want some challenge? Find the formula that gives you a torus ;-) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

The only times I got that was when I was trying to boot off of a partition that has more than 1024 cylinders.... It happened on both Red-hat and SuSE... to me.. On 16-Apr-98 Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

Does S.u.S.E. use anoother version of LILO than RedHat? The reason I ask is that I installed RedHat on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL, no problem. But then I would try S.u.S.E. 5.1, and then LILO only get as far as 'L' and then hangs. I don't know what that implies (except it's a hardware problem). But when LILO from RHL 5.0 works, why not LILO from S.u.S.E. 5.1?

Now I start it through DOS and loadlin, works OK, but still...

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Nope... some 800Mb hardrives have more than 1024 cylinders.... I boot my vmlinuz (actually, zImage) off of /usr which on a different harddrive from my / On 17-Apr-98 Santiago Rodriguez wrote:

I have a problem about that. I am trying to put 'vmlinuz' in '/', but I can't because yast says my partition has more than 1024 cilynders. But it is only 800Mb large. Is it possible? Did I do something wrong? It is a 486DX 33. Bye

gdb@freecar.com wrote:

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The only times I got that was when I was trying to boot off of a partition that has more than 1024 cylinders.... It happened on both Red-hat and SuSE... to me..

On 16-Apr-98 Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

...

Does S.u.S.E. use anoother version of LILO than RedHat? The reason I ask is that I installed RedHat on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL, no problem. But then I would try S.u.S.E. 5.1, and then LILO only get as far as 'L' and then hangs. I don't know what that implies (except it's a hardware problem). But when LILO from RHL 5.0 works, why not LILO from S.u.S.E. 5.1?

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Hi, On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Santiago Rodriguez wrote:

But what is the problem? The BIOS? I have a 2Gb hd and I installed Lilo without problem (in a Pentium motherboard). Why happens the problem about the 1024 cylinders?

Yes, the BIOS is the problem. The BIOS only has 10 Bits for the number of cylinders. When LILO tries to load some data from cylinder 1025, it will get the data from cylinder 1, which is not what you want. There are several workarounds for that problem; the Adaptec SCSI adapters are doing some translation: instead of 2048 cylinders and 32 heads it fakes 1024 cylinders and 64 heads for example.

Thanks.

The Gecko wrote:

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Nope... some 800Mb hardrives have more than 1024 cylinders.... I boot my vmlinuz (actually, zImage) off of /usr which on a different harddrive from my /

On 17-Apr-98 Santiago Rodriguez wrote:

...

I have a problem about that. I am trying to put 'vmlinuz' in '/', but I can't because yast says my partition has more than 1024 cilynders. But it is only 800Mb large. Is it possible? Did I do something wrong? It is a 486DX 33. Bye

gdb@freecar.com wrote:

...

The only times I got that was when I was trying to boot off of a partition that has more than 1024 cylinders.... It happened on both Red-hat and SuSE... to me..

On 16-Apr-98 Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Hi, On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Santiago Rodriguez wrote:

But what about all what happens after Lilo? I have installed all SuSe Linux and it seems the only problem I have is with Lilo. I start with a boot disk and after that I have no troubles (by now...). What about all the other operations with files? Why doesn't it run into troubles after?

The Linux kernel does not use the BIOS functions to access the harddisks.

Hubert Mantel wrote:

...

Hi,

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Santiago Rodriguez wrote:

...

But what is the problem? The BIOS? I have a 2Gb hd and I installed Lilo without problem (in a Pentium motherboard). Why happens the problem about the 1024 cylinders?

Yes, the BIOS is the problem. The BIOS only has 10 Bits for the number of cylinders. When LILO tries to load some data from cylinder 1025, it will get the data from cylinder 1, which is not what you want. There are several workarounds for that problem; the Adaptec SCSI adapters are doing some translation: instead of 2048 cylinders and 32 heads it fakes 1024 cylinders and 64 heads for example.

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We have a different version of LILO. Remove the 'linear' flaf in the LILO configuration and it should work....

Thanks, I will try that right away. I thoght that Linear was there for compatibility reasons, so I didn't even try... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

I forgot..What does this LINEAR option mean? Hubert Mantel wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Bodo Bauer wrote:

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Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Does S.u.S.E. use anoother version of LILO than RedHat? The reason I ask is that I installed RedHat on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL, no problem. But then I would try S.u.S.E. 5.1, and then LILO only get as far as 'L' and then hangs. I don't know what that implies (except it's a hardware problem). But when LILO from RHL 5.0 works, why not LILO from S.u.S.E. 5.1?

We have a different version of LILO. Remove the 'linear' flaf in the LILO configuration and it should work....

Not quite ;-) S.u.S.E. 5.1/5.2 and RedHat 5.0 both use LILO 20. Only the default configuration differs. We have already switched back to "linear" defaulting to "off" as meanwhile this option leads to more problems than it does solve.

...

Ciao, BB

Hubert

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hi, I've seen same thing when I installed SuSE first time. I did select "not install LILO" from YaST menu, because I already had LILO from installing RedHat5.0. I solved this problem by installing LILO again from YaST. You need boot with SuSE booting disk and just install LILO. You don't have to install whole package again. I hope this help Cheers jae On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

Does S.u.S.E. use anoother version of LILO than RedHat? The reason I ask is that I installed RedHat on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL, no problem. But then I would try S.u.S.E. 5.1, and then LILO only get as far as 'L' and then hangs. I don't know what that implies (except it's a hardware problem). But when LILO from RHL 5.0 works, why not LILO from S.u.S.E. 5.1?

Now I start it through DOS and loadlin, works OK, but still...

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William J. Sandman wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Does S.u.S.E. use anoother version of LILO than RedHat? The reason I ask is that I installed RedHat on a IBM Thinkpad 760XL, no problem. But then I would try S.u.S.E. 5.1, and then LILO only get as far as 'L' and then hangs. I don't know what that implies (except it's a hardware problem). But when LILO from RHL 5.0 works, why not LILO from S.u.S.E. 5.1?

Now I start it through DOS and loadlin, works OK, but still...

S.u.S.E. uses the same lilo as Red Hat (possibly a differnt version from release to release) but this *Should* make no difference. Checnk out the

Unfortunatly it makes a difference. We are using version 20, which treats the 'linear' paramemeter in a different way. So sometimes it works with RH but it doesn't with S.u.S.E. However removing 'linear' helps in most cases. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Please see the nt-linux howto. Dual booting with nt is not as straight forward as with win95. You have to specify your linux root partition as the boot device instead of the mbr because the nt os loader owns the mbr in nt. Read the howto, it's pretty simple to follow. Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

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Unfortunatly it makes a difference. We are using version 20, which treats the 'linear' paramemeter in a different way. So sometimes it works with RH but it doesn't with S.u.S.E. However removing 'linear' helps in most cases.

I tried without Linear, and it works with Linux. Now the problem is, that Windows NT gives me the Blue Screen Of Death (BSOD). According to Internet searches, NT sometimes don't like you to mess around in the MBR. Don't know what to do about it, so I'm back to loadlin :-(

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Hi, On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

I have a IBM Thinkpad 760XL. I also have problems installing S.u.S.E. Linux on it.

We are still investigating the problems with the ThinkPads. I did lots of tests in the past but there is no common pattern on which machines it works and on which it fails. I have feedback that sometimes the RedHat kernels work (more often than the S.u.S.E. kernels), but there are machines on which even RedHat's kernel fails. One thing in common: On every machine it seems to be possible to successfully boot the kernel using loadlin.exe (this is what setup.exe does).

First problem is to install from CD through setup.exe. I choose this because I can't have both CD and Floppy in the thinkpad simultaneously. When I get to mounting the CD from setup, it tells me that it fails. As I know, it's a standard ATAPI drive, but also trying to manually load any of the CD-ROM drivers with any of the EIDE kernels fails.

I think this is another problem: Some thinkpads have a special sleep/suspend mode for their CD-ROM drives the linux kernel doesn't know about. Loading the DOS driver in the config.sys file with the "/S" switch cured this problem in many cases. Maybe you could give it a try...

I believe I can copy the CD to harddisk and install from there, but I would like to know if there is a better way.

Next question if I get past this: Any hope for support for my two PCMCIA cards: Lasat Credit 336 faxmodem and IBM Turbo 16/4 Token Ring?

Never heard about the Lasat card. The Token Ring card should work out of the box. The "SUPPORTED.CARDS" of the PCMCIA package explicitly lists these cards. Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

Kaare Rasmussen wrote:

Why does everybody still use bind 4.9.xx, why not bind 8.0?

We use bind 8 :)

1. It's untested? 2. It's dificult to migrate? Why did the format of the config files change? 3. There's no real incentive? Meaning, what's new in 8.0? 4. Another reason?

It runs pretty good, but it has a different syntax for the main configuration file. You can find bind8 on our CDs in the 'unsorted' directory. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb@suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

I would say that the configuration file is why most people do not convert. All of my new DNS servers, although they are only caching, run 8.1.1; I have not converted Our main server because of the time I would have to invest is rather large and I have other things that I HAVE to do first.

But I read somewhere that there is a Perl based conversion tool. Did you know that? Perhaps the tool can only handle the simple cases, and give up over your files...? -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e