Re: [opensuse] GUI or not for config of network devices.
On 4/2/2016 16:35, Anton Aylward wrote: ...
And yes I'm old enough to remember when just about everything, and that included any terminals that were more than absolutely "dumb as two rocks", needed a tftp'd file, often binary, to start. I'm not sorry those days are past.
Hooray! a rational response from an old expert. Actually, I'm old enough that an ASR33 with paper tape punch was a step up from our old mechanical punch cards, and when I had to go back to punch cards for a new job, I was tremendously relieved that the card punches were the fancy new pneumatic things -- that even let you edit your text before you hit the punch key! And every step beyond that was a step forward. vi, notepad, now notepad++ and kate; all were huge advances in my ability to do work (I've never been an SA except at home). And guess what -- notepad++ and kate are basic gui's! Just add some tools and snippets. Yeah, no one, as far as I know, has gone to the trouble to build a full-fledged gui for, say, /etc/sysconfig or /etc/fstab, but then, anyone who knows how to handle them usefully doesn't need the popup help or context-dependent selection boxes a well-done gui can give. /etc/permissions or /etc/ntpd, for instance, may be another matter. But I don't know enough about either to do more than read them with admiration. john perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/02/2016 11:57 PM, John Perry wrote:
On 4/2/2016 16:35, Anton Aylward wrote: ...
And yes I'm old enough to remember when just about everything, and that included any terminals that were more than absolutely "dumb as two rocks", needed a tftp'd file, often binary, to start. I'm not sorry those days are past.
Hooray! a rational response from an old expert.
Actually, I'm old enough that an ASR33 with paper tape punch was a step up from our old mechanical punch cards,
Yes, I remember them both.
and when I had to go back to punch cards for a new job, I was tremendously relieved that the card punches were the fancy new pneumatic things -- that even let you edit your text before you hit the punch key!
I got sick and tired of cards! I found that I could use a PDP-11/RSTS in the electronics lab to edit (UGH!) a file on the ASR33 that I then submitted to the mainframe over the RJE facility. Much nicer than cards! One day a postgrad caught me at it and dragged me off to a project he was doing and that was my introduction to UNIX V5. Eventually Vi became muscle memory. I've noting against VI as an editor. There's a plugin for Thunderbird that lets me use VI/VIM as the editor for messages. WHEEEE! Way to go!
Yeah, no one, as far as I know, has gone to the trouble to build a full-fledged gui for, say, /etc/sysconfig
Ahm, there seems to be an entry for that in Yast. Moment. Hmmm, seems pretty good, gives guidance.
or /etc/fstab,
That's in Yast too under 'partitioner'.
but then, anyone who knows how to handle them usefully doesn't need the popup help or context-dependent selection boxes a well-done gui can give.
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