Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this? I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal. Case and point: MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95 As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great. Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Tim, Are the few $ you are talking about really worth all your literary effort? -- Best regards, Des Aubery... (adTherm Technologies, East London, E.Cape, South Africa) "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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Hi Des, The main purpose (perhaps I should have said that) of my "literary effort" <g> was to point out I can't really see the upgrade selling. Originally, when the big stink about the price increase came up, it was said "don't worry, the upgrade will be the about same price as what the old version was" - while the MSRP is the same, I would imagine few users actually paid MSRP. To me, it seems that what will happen is, SuSE will try the upgrade for a version or two, find no one buys it, and quits selling it. However, IMO, the reason it won't sell (or at least I don't think it will) is that it has _no_price_advantage_, and has less "stuff" in it. As I pointed out in my message, Microsoft (or Apple if you prefer) generally take 50%-75% off the price tag of upgrade versions - because no one wants the upgrade if they can get the full version for no extra charge (or less). It's disappointing to me, that the upgrade version of SuSE will literally cost me twice as much as the old full version (and that it is the _SAME_ price after S&H as the full version). Just my "why would any company in there right mind price an upgrade the same after S&H as the full version" $0.02... -Tim PS: It can't be because it has 1,600 apps, because Slackware has 1,600 apps too on 4 CD's for $49 (BestBuy) and FreeBSD has 10 CD's (!) of software and a manual (or two?) going for $49. And Windows ME is going for $49. Hmm... is $49 just the new price barrier for operating systems? <g> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================
-----Original Message----- From: des@cpt-proxy1.mweb.co.za [mailto:des@cpt-proxy1.mweb.co.za]On Behalf Of Des Aubery Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:57 AM To: tbutler@uninetsolutions.com Cc: SuSE Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi Tim,
Are the few $ you are talking about really worth all your literary effort?
-- Best regards,
Des Aubery... (adTherm Technologies, East London, E.Cape, South Africa)
"Timothy R. Butler" wrote:
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on
the web site,
SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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Hi there, I thought I'd add a little something into my rant from last week. FreeBSD is not only cheaper but comes with 2,000 packages (the extra 6 CD's) on top of the main distribution packages (first 4 CD's). Now, I can't attest to the quality or the ease-of-use of FreeBSD, nor would I want to switch from Linux, but that means two of the "other" guys (FreeBSD along with Slackware) both offer comparable amounts of stuff for less money. And, if ease of use is the excuse, once again, look at Windows ME Quick Jump for Windows 98 at just $49 (at stores). I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE is suddenly worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)... Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================
-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 While I'll agree that the price jump is rather steep, remember this: Open Source doesn't mean that it comes without a price-tag. If you don't want to pay for the distribution out of your pocket, you can always download it or burn a copy from a friend. Or, you can always pool your funds between a number of folk and buy it in a group, but then there's gonna be a fight over who gets the books, stickers and pin. ;) Or, see if you can get your company to buy you a copy and you get the best of both worlds: you aren't out the cash and you get to keep the presents! Geordon (that's what I did. Had the company buy it!)
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On 10/11/00, 5:24:21 PM, "Timothy R. Butler"
I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE is suddenly worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)...
Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more...
-Tim
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-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying
upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice
Please spare us... You don't think half a thought ? What of FOUR books ? For the price of SuSE Linux 7.0 Pro I get *ONE* book "for idiots" on Linux. What of the work of making a USER-FRIENDLY install- process ? That takes a large amount of work, and does cost a lot of money if you're paying someone to do it for you. And what about a supportline ? Slackware has to my knowledge NONE, and neither do *BSD ( not counting usenet and post-lists ) I think SuSE are walking in the middle of that narrow yellow-brick road between rough-cut ( Slackware etc ) and overpriced ( RedHat ), and doing so with style. -tosi -----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: 11. október 2000 22:24 To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it? Hi there, I thought I'd add a little something into my rant from last week. FreeBSD is not only cheaper but comes with 2,000 packages (the extra 6 CD's) on top of the main distribution packages (first 4 CD's). Now, I can't attest to the quality or the ease-of-use of FreeBSD, nor would I want to switch from Linux, but that means two of the "other" guys (FreeBSD along with Slackware) both offer comparable amounts of stuff for less money. And, if ease of use is the excuse, once again, look at Windows ME Quick Jump for Windows 98 at just $49 (at stores). I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE is suddenly worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)... Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== the this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If
else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even
upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that
nothing the the
difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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Hi Tosi,
You don't think half a thought ? What of FOUR books ? For the price of SuSE Linux 7.0 Pro I get *ONE* book "for idiots" on Linux. What of the work of making a
But, I don't need four books. That's fine, but I don't feel like shelling out $30 extra bucks every 4 months when all I want is the CD's. But, I have no choice, the upgrade is just $10 less than the full thing at retail, and that savings would be taken by the shipping and handling. Personally, for power users, I think SuSE should take RedHat's old "Powertools" idea, and offer a version that is just 6-cds and 1 DVD, and perhaps a few page booklet that fits in the product's jewel case. Then stamp something between $20-$35 on the case and call it "SuSE 7.1 Guru Edition" or something like that. The fact is, I wouldn't mind buying ever single version of SuSE, but I won't do it for $60-$70 a wack. However, if SuSE had that "Guru Edition", SuSE probably would probably have a higher profit margin on that version than the Pro edition (since it lacks manuals and support), and they would also sell more to "SOHO" users like myself. Infact, I probably won't buy another copy of SuSE as it stands for at least a year and a half [can't justify $70 for small upgrades], but I'd gladly pay $25, say, for every version of the bookless version. Another benefit for SuSE on such a version would be the fact that Broadband is increasingly popular. If I had broadband I would be inclined to just download SuSE, but I still might ***buy*** it if it's going for $25. Just my $0.02... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================
USER-FRIENDLY install- process ? That takes a large amount of work, and does cost a lot of money if you're paying someone to do it for you. And what about a supportline ? Slackware has to my knowledge NONE, and neither do *BSD ( not counting usenet and post-lists ) I think SuSE are walking in the middle of that narrow yellow-brick road between rough-cut ( Slackware etc ) and overpriced ( RedHat ), and doing so with style.
-tosi
-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: 11. október 2000 22:24 To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi there, I thought I'd add a little something into my rant from last week. FreeBSD is not only cheaper but comes with 2,000 packages (the extra 6 CD's) on top of the main distribution packages (first 4 CD's). Now, I can't attest to the quality or the ease-of-use of FreeBSD, nor would I want to switch from Linux, but that means two of the "other" guys (FreeBSD along with Slackware) both offer comparable amounts of stuff for less money. And, if ease of use is the excuse, once again, look at Windows ME Quick Jump for Windows 98 at just $49 (at stores).
I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE is suddenly worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)...
Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more...
-Tim
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-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already thown in a lot of $0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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The fact is, I wouldn't mind buying ever single version of SuSE, but I won't do it for $60-$70 a wack. However, if SuSE had that "Guru Edition", SuSE
On 10/11/00, 6:48:33 PM, "Timothy R. Butler"
would probably have a higher profit margin on that version than the Pro edition (since it lacks manuals and support), and they would also sell more to "SOHO" users like myself. Infact, I probably won't buy another copy of SuSE as it stands for at least a year and a half [can't justify $70 for small upgrades], but I'd gladly pay $25, say, for every version of the bookless version. Another benefit for SuSE on such a version would be the fact that Broadband is increasingly popular. If I had broadband I would be inclined to just download SuSE, but I still might ***buy*** it if it's going for $25.
Given what I know about SuSE, and what I know about Winodws, I'd pay for it if I had to. Then again. I've got my SuSE 6.4, and I'm happy with it, so why bother with the full upgrade. Just grab the upgrades from the SuSE ftp site and away you go. Now, if I could only get Lexmark to support Linux. John Meyer -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
users like myself. Infact, I probably won't buy another copy of SuSE as it stands for at least a year and a half [can't justify $70 for small upgrades], but I'd gladly pay $25, say, for every version of the bookless version.
Which brings up the question. Why do you need/want to upgrade? If your system is working fine whats the point? You've pointed out that most of 7.0 isn't ground breaking. Well why not just download the things that you want upgraded? Personally I've got a mix of stuff straight from SuSE and stuff from tarballs. I only upgrade when I want a set of CDs but normally just taking the old set and upgrading what needs upgrading works just fine. Don't forget SuSE upgrades things on thier schedule. When they release something new they need to check it and make sure it works for most everybody. If the upgrade is important to you it's often better to just get the src and install it yourself. Now I admit I wouldn't mind if SuSE sold a bundle including nothing but the disks but the more versions the more hassles for SuSE. That's something we have to accept. Nick -- ----------------------------- Anybody got plans for an ark? ----------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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